My Command Equipped (TMCC) Lionel GP-9 will run for a couple of minutes than come to a complete stop. I suspected dirty track at first, but after a good cleaning the problem remained. I noticed a flicker in the headlight which is a common sign of a weak signal. I doubled the antenna using copper tape and the flicker disappeared, but the problem remained. I then suspected that maybe the R2LC was the problem, I swapped it out with a spare R2LC-04 and guess what, problem solved. But now another problem developed, no horn, bell or crew talk sounds. I went through the setup procedure setting the engine ID and using the AUX1 #5 program code. The only sounds I get are the diesel revving sounds, nothing else. All other TMCC functions are operable. Did I hit a wrong button and somehow turn these sounds off. Any help would be appreciated.

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Can you share the exact model?  It sounds like you lost the serial connection to the sound boards.  If this is the older model with the axle switch, that would match the symptoms.

Right you are Chuck, I totally glossed over what version he plugged in!  I think that mystery is solved.  I don't quite understand why the older R2LC would fix the issue if it's the motor driver board.  Of course, knowing what the actual product number of this unit is would be really useful...

The reason for the motor driver board is, the poster said the engine would run for a while then stop. To me that doesn't sound like a radio board, but the motor board that overheats and shuts down. To NEWT, does the engine restart after a few minutes then repeats the cycle?

True Chuck, but I took his comment about the R2LC fixing the motor drive issue to heart.  If replacing the R2LC solves the motor drive issues, than I have to wonder if it's really the motor driver.

Well, we certainly agree there Chuck, you're running out of things to replace at that point.  The only two logical boards for motor issues are the R2LC and the DCDR (DCDS?)

I had a problem with an ERR AC-DC conversion where it would run about a half loop and then quit. I posted the problem in a thread and got an answer from SANTAFEFAN

"This is a known problem with the R2LC in its latter stages of production.  The driver board is probably fine.  For some reason, the AC common through the wheel sets produce a bit more noise on some locos, which affects the R2LC and it resets. The fix is to use an R4LC, with C08 code.  Please contact Ken at ElectricRR and he will arrange a solution for you."

This was the thread...

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...-sd40-keeps-stopping

Chuck TCA LCCA ARRL BMWMOA

Thanks for all the comments so far. His a bit more information as requested. This is an older Command Equipped Lionel GP-9 6-18879. The engine has had several modifications such as a conversion from an AC Pullmor motor to a DC Can motor. The motor driver was replaced with an ERR CC-M. When the engine stalls, I kill the power with emergency triangle button on the Cab 2. I reapply power and she powers right up, so I don't think anything is overheating. I think I may have a C08 or possible a R4LC that I could swap out from another engine. I'll give this a try tonight and let you know. I have learned a lot from my experiments on this engine. Thanks for the support!

That's the kind of information we could have used before.

Have you reprogrammed the engine using AUX-8 as the engine type code?

I'd be looking at the CC-M at this point, I've had a couple of those that would heat up and then stop functioning.

Wow, You guys are confusing the heck out of me. He stated he had a existing command controlled engine. How does, the CC- M fit in with the issue? 

If , I get this right....some later production r2lc08 had issues. That a r4lc from err

railroad will work at a replacement? Funny, thing...having a similar issue with a legacy subway car. Randomly, stops in a couple of feet. Engine responds to norm etc.  Engine, will not move again unless unpowered of the reset button is hit on the legacy remote.

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. Problem solved. I replaced the R2LC-06 with a R4LC-08 and my sounds were restored. I ran the engine for about 20 minutes last night with no problems/shut down. The weird thing, I've added the ERR CC-M to older K-Line models and never had an issue with sounds or shut down. Maybe they were outfitted with an 08 board from the factory. Thanks again!!!

Newt posted:

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. Problem solved. I replaced the R2LC-06 with a R4LC-08 and my sounds were restored. I ran the engine for about 20 minutes last night with no problems/shut down. The weird thing, I've added the ERR CC-M to older K-Line models and never had an issue with sounds or shut down. Maybe they were outfitted with an 08 board from the factory. Thanks again!!!

Ok, so, newt. you had upgraded to ERR -CCMin a D.C. Motored geep. The CCM requires the use of a r2lc08 and the othe err boards R4lc from ERR.

 

shawn posted:

Ok, so, newt. you had upgraded to ERR -CCMin a D.C. Motored geep. The CCM requires the use of a r2lc08 and the othe err boards R4lc from ERR.

 

Huh? Could you clarify that please? CC-M only requires one or the other radio board, not both/two radio boards.

RoyBoy

Great information here, have installed several CCMs, never any problem.  However, without checking, do not know off top of my head what version of R2LC or R4LC they have.  And, whether they are C08, or not.  Along with my listing of what I have in each engine, writing down info for the CCM engines will be added to list.  Never ending story, is it not?  

The information and assistance found here, on the Forum, is as amazing as it is valuable.

Jesse    TCA 

I've run the CC-M with the C07 version of the R2LC without any apparent issues, but ERR has recommended the C08 version for as long as I can remember.   There are some quirks with the C11 version, but the C13 version appears to function fine with them.  I don't know what happened to the other versions of the R2LC, but you rarely see them.  I know one was for the Lionel Backshop, perhaps there are other special versions in the numbering.  The C13 version is the latest version that was made AFAIK.

I decided to do some additional testing with some spare Radio Boards I have. Here's what I found: the R2LC-08 and the R4LC-08 performed perfectly with the ERR CC-M motor driver, no issues with sound or stalling. I then installed a R2LC-C13 board thinking I would get the same results...wrong. The R2LC-C13 performed well with the sounds, but soon stalled/reset after a few minutes of running. I went through the proper reprogramming for each board. My advice is to stick with the 08 boards. Hope this helps. This was a great learning experience for me. Thanks again for everyone's help/input.

Do you know that the C13 works properly with other boards?  R2LC are getting long in the tooth, and they degrade over time with the receiver chip.  Poor TMCC reception seems to cause cruise issues too.  G

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I've had several occasions to use the C13 with the CC-M, never had an issue.  If there's a C-13 in the engine to be upgraded, I just installed the CC-M and called it good.

It sounds like the age of the TMCC mother board may play a part in whether or not the C-13 will work with the ERR CC-M. This particular installation involved an engine from 1999 with Command Control. The C-13 is definitely a No-Go with this engine. Thanks for the input!

Well, an engine from 1999 most certainly did NOT come with a C13 R2LC, that would have had a C08 or earlier version from the factory.  The C13 didn't happen until right before TMCC was eclipsed by Legacy, probably round 2005.

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