Truncated NYC Freight Unit Lightning Stripes

I have seen this striping on Alco F units. One of the Herron Rail video's
clem

I've seen photo's of F-7's with the black background and the stripes/cigar band but it is not truncated. It goes all the way to the back of the car body. This doesn't mean this scheme wasn't used/existed. NYC had a fair amount of one of a kind/experimental schemes.

"New York Central's Later Power" by Alvin Staufer has pics of F-3A 1611, 1616 and 1617 in this paint scheme. This was the as-delivered paint scheme in June, 1947. F-3B 2409 in the same pic as F-3A 1611 is all black. All units had high fans.

Allan

Thanks! I see the picture of 1616 here...Full Stripes and here, Short Stripe, about half way down on the left.

PS - Check ou the NYC ALCo PA with the black trucks below it!

Thanks,
Mario

Wyhog - Amen.

Even the guy's "supercharging" - wrong as it is - probably would have been wrong
anyway; typically, "turbocharging" was used on diesel locos. Those two things work differently.

Alco used a lot of turbocharging; not GM/EMD, until, I believe, the SD24. EMD's 2-cycle diesels
did not lend themselves to "charging" as well as Alco's (and other's) 4-cycles.
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The "whisker" (properly the "Century" scheme) NYC paint scheme, to my knowledge, was used only on black
freight units, and only on the FT's and F2's (yes, F2). It's my favorite NYC diesel scheme; simple and
classy - almost formal.

Looks like it may be time for a refresher on the terms "supercharged" and "Turbocharged" when discussing EMD diesel prime movers:

1) Since the EMD/GM diesel engine was and is still a two stroke cycle, any and ALL air for combustion MUST be "forced" into the combustion chambers (there is NO intake stroke). Thus ALL 567 and 645 engines, generally classified throughout the industry as "normally aspirated", where in fact SUPERCHARGED.

2) Beginning with the "special" experimental GP9 units on the Union Pacific, way back in the mid to late 1950s, which where the very first "turbocharged" EMD 567 engines, EMD was forced to drastically increase the air pressure for combustion. Thus the GP20 and SD24 locomotives where born with the first production "turbocharged" EMD two stroke cycle diesel engines.

In conclusion, EVERY single EMD two stroke cycle diesel engine is either "supercharged" or "turbocharged", depending on the locomotive model. Otherwise the two stroke cycle EMD diesel engine would not even start without a roots blower or a specially designed turbocharger with an over-running clutch in its internal drive gear train.

Like I said, SD24.

The NYC short lightning stripe is the second freight paint scheme, the whisker scheme being the first. The full lightning stripe including B-units is the third.
The first passenger scheme used on E7s was a light gray body with a dark gray stripe that was straight to the end of the body. The second passenger scheme was dark gray with a light gray lightning stripe and a shallow reverse lightning stripe at the rear. B-units had a shallow reverse lightning stripe at both ends.

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Originally posted by Richard E:
...The first passenger scheme used on E7s was a light gray body with a dark gray stripe that was straight to the end of the body.

Richarde, I'd love to see a picture of the pre-Beauty Queen passenger scheme. Do you kknow where I can see a pic?

Thanks,
Mario

Mario:

Lionel brought these out around 2003. They were issued together with the Sante Fe livery as their first scale F3s. There was a US Savings Bond bonus with the purchase of these two sets.

I bought both sets and still have them. I love the Sante Fe set which I run regularly, but I wished I passed on the NYC broken lightening stripe with the black paint. This set sits on a siding. I remember that someone at Lionel said they chose to use this paint scheme to replicate a time when the NYC was trying to save money with this paint scheme. I have no idea if this is true or not. maybe some Forum member can enlighten us.