Originally Posted by CSX Troy:
Originally Posted by SantaFeFan:
Originally Posted by CSX Troy:

 

Jon,

 

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The only thing I would suggest in regards to fixed pilots vs. swinging ones is this:  May we have the type of set-up used on the Vision Line Hybrids where the pilot is body mounted independently of the truck, yet can pivot and be self centering as needed.

From my investigation, I am told that the SD70 *will* have the pivoting trucks just like the Vision Hybrids...

Jon, just so I understand, are you refering to the body mounted, pivoting pilots or just the trucks?  If it is confirmed about the pilots, I'm in for this model BIG TIME.  I thought the Pilot set up on the Vision Line Hybrids was the coolest thing I had seen on an O scale train in some time.  I was able to fix the front one for the lead engine and then let the rear one float with the coupler allowing me to go around some pretty small curves and still look good.  If it had been drilled for a Kadee box, it would be perfect.  I still contend that this is THE ideal solution for both scale and Flyer operators to get what they like regarding pilot design contained in one package. Count me in for 5 or 6 of the SD70ACE's if they have this feature.  It is just that good.

 

P.S. You may want to tap Swafford to reccomend the paint schemes as he has been on a serious hot streak lately!   I would have never thought of a 21st Century Santa Fe SD70ACE but that one looks killer!

CSX Troy, - you are correct to point out pilots, not trucks.  Yes, the pilot will pivot just like the VL hybrids.  Sorry for any confusion I caused, should have finished my coffee this morning before posting!

jon

Lionel LLC (2006-2017)

Originally Posted by SantaFeFan:

CSX Troy, - you are correct to point out pilots, not trucks.  Yes, the pilot will pivot just like the VL hybrids.  Sorry for any confusion I caused, should have finished my coffee this morning before posting!

Jon,  no problem at all!  Thanks for responding and this truly is great news for Flyer diesels.  I was looking forward to the SD70ACE's before, but this really takes it up another another level.

 

 

 

"Moreover, experience proves that there is virtually no limit to the amount of cars, track, equipment, etc., the scale model railroader will buy once you have planted the "system" idea in his head. The more he has, the more he still wants." A.C. Gilbert Co. - 1947

Man. I am seriously getting excited. I am not even a big SD-70ACE fan, but I can't wait to see this model. Now to decide which ones to get. I really wish the CSX and NS models had more than one roadnumber. I think I'd take 3 road numbers of CSX and two NS if I could. 

-Jonathan

 

Originally Posted by jonnyspeed:

 "It is a minor miracle that Lionel has gone so far as offering scale wheels and couplers. The 3RS and 2 rail O crowd have been screaming for these features for years".

 

  I think Lionel realizes that O scale is over bought and limited in it's upside. They probably recognize the trend to older folks downsizing to smaller house and want to be at the forefront of the movement?  Since flyer is an old and tired concept the best chance of growth will come from O scalers downsizing to trains that can fit in a typical space and HO scalers upsizing to trains that are a lot easier to handle as they age?

  HO guys and 2 rail O guys are gonna demand a scale oriennted product before handing over their money.  I think Lionel needs to study the SHS and American models lines to understand how to build models that appeal to both scale and highrail/flyer guys. The lionel U33 and cylindrical tankcar look like a great start for a quality scale oriented line of products, both can be fairly easily converted to scale but will please the high rail guys as is. As the growth of S proceeds it would make sense to move more to the scale side by offering ready to go models with scale wheels and couplers but these two are a good start....DaveBranum  

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