UP Steam Program March 2018 Presentation Video

Kelly Anderson posted:
Brandy posted:

Steve Lee's name was never mentioned.........Imagine that...........Jealousy is still alive, and well, with their Steam Program........Pitiful   

Very old news, why bring it up again? 

BTW, please post a photo of your back so when you are standing 30' in front of every photo line watching #4014 go by I can recognize you.

Opinions Vary....!

hullmat991 posted:

Did I hear that correctly at 1 hour 7 minutes in; that the challenger has rubber hoses installed instead of the normal steel pipes in the frame?  When would that have been done? 

Typical BS from the current manager to downgrade the previous crew/crews. He always has to include such innuendoes in all of his presentations. Of course there are "rubber hoses" at some specific locations such as high pressure lube lines, which were replaced with HIGH PRESSURE flexible hydraulic hoses (yes, they may even LOOK like 'rubber hoses').

Hot Water posted:
hullmat991 posted:

Did I hear that correctly at 1 hour 7 minutes in; that the challenger has rubber hoses installed instead of the normal steel pipes in the frame?  When would that have been done? 

Typical BS from the current manager to downgrade the previous crew/crews. He always has to include such innuendoes in all of his presentations. Of course there are "rubber hoses" at some specific locations such as high pressure lube lines, which were replaced with HIGH PRESSURE flexible hydraulic hoses (yes, they may even LOOK like 'rubber hoses').

And, high pressure hyd flexible hoses are  rubber hoses, or similar compound. Reinforced rubber hoses, and they all fail at some point. So, since they hard to reach for replacement, pipe is preferred. 

No?

EBT Jim posted:
Hot Water posted:
hullmat991 posted:

Did I hear that correctly at 1 hour 7 minutes in; that the challenger has rubber hoses installed instead of the normal steel pipes in the frame?  When would that have been done? 

Typical BS from the current manager to downgrade the previous crew/crews. He always has to include such innuendoes in all of his presentations. Of course there are "rubber hoses" at some specific locations such as high pressure lube lines, which were replaced with HIGH PRESSURE flexible hydraulic hoses (yes, they may even LOOK like 'rubber hoses').

And, high pressure hyd flexible hoses are  rubber hoses, or similar compound. Reinforced rubber hoses, and they all fail at some point. So, since they hard to reach for replacement, pipe is preferred. 

No?

No, NOT in the modern era. The flexible high pressure "hoses" are generally not affected by the vibrations that the hard pipe components are. Remember, back in 1943 when 3985 was designed and manufactured, they did not have the high pressure flexible material available in the late 1990s.

hullmat991 posted:

The pictures of similar pipes from 4014 were originally rigid metal and were being replaced with same. I thought from the narration that these same pipes were what was rubber with zip ties currently installed on 3985

More BS from the current manager. Also, lets not forget that the 4014 has been sitting in a park in Pomona, CA since the late 1950s/early 1960s, and has NOT had any of the modern up-grades that 3985 has had, since her returned to service in 1981.

Hot Water posted:
EBT Jim posted:
Hot Water posted:
hullmat991 posted:

Did I hear that correctly at 1 hour 7 minutes in; that the challenger has rubber hoses installed instead of the normal steel pipes in the frame?  When would that have been done? 

Typical BS from the current manager to downgrade the previous crew/crews. He always has to include such innuendoes in all of his presentations. Of course there are "rubber hoses" at some specific locations such as high pressure lube lines, which were replaced with HIGH PRESSURE flexible hydraulic hoses (yes, they may even LOOK like 'rubber hoses').

And, high pressure hyd flexible hoses are  rubber hoses, or similar compound. Reinforced rubber hoses, and they all fail at some point. So, since they hard to reach for replacement, pipe is preferred. 

No?

No, NOT in the modern era. The flexible high pressure "hoses" are generally not affected by the vibrations that the hard pipe components are. Remember, back in 1943 when 3985 was designed and manufactured, they did not have the high pressure flexible material available in the late 1990s.

Yes, Hot Water .... hyd hoses fail in the "modern era." They have a predictable future even under perfect conditions.

They fail unexpectedly and prematurely from a myriad of causes, even if properly installed in proper application .... heat, internal oxidation, cavitation, etc etc. 

Many failures are traced back to the assembly of the hose ..... the fitting not being perfectly crimped onto the hose. The assembled hose looks fine,  tests fine (where testing is done in critical applications), but fails some time after installation.

I know a little about offroad equipment, I work at a CAT dealership, and while in college I had a part time job in a forklift parts shop assembling hydraulic hoses for customers, but .... I know nothing about steam locomotives. However, if getting to that location is as Ed says .... pipe belongs there.

Anyway, best of luck to the UP steam program!  I for one, hope that 4014 steams down the rails next year. And, then 3985 after her. The more steam engines operable in America .... the better. They are an important part of the history of our country.

Ed's presentation was last weekend at the Rocky Mountain Division TCA's Rocky Mountain Train Show. Ed gives this presentation very year at the show and the RMD greatly appreciates it. This years show had many manufacturers including Lionel, MTH, Ross Custom Switches, Bachmann (williams) and many others.  The show opens early to registered TCA members and is open regular hours to the general public drawing over 10,000 attendees every year. This years Show had over 11,000 attendees from all over the west.

Ed's presentation was typical of past ones that he has given. At the end he shows slides of his guys volunteering 3 weekends to prepare for the move of a Denver Salt Lake and Pacific RR wrecker plus the move of a D&RGW GP30 from the UP (D&RGW) Burnam Yard to the Moffat Railroad Museum and to the Forney Museum.

Many thanks to the UP Steam Crew for donating their time and expertise for the presentation and for the new additions to two great Colorado museums.

Hot Water posted:
hullmat991 posted:

Did I hear that correctly at 1 hour 7 minutes in; that the challenger has rubber hoses installed instead of the normal steel pipes in the frame?  When would that have been done? 

Typical BS from the current manager to downgrade the previous crew/crews. He always has to include such innuendoes in all of his presentations. Of course there are "rubber hoses" at some specific locations such as high pressure lube lines, which were replaced with HIGH PRESSURE flexible hydraulic hoses (yes, they may even LOOK like 'rubber hoses').

I think he was talking about old solid pipe and fittings that were buried in the front engine of 3985 that were not easily accessible that had been bypassed with replacement external  flexible hoses due to leaks. The point was that in 4014 they had replaced all of that with new hard tubing with no fittings in those inaccessible areas to avoid that issue in the future. My take on it was that he wasn't ripping on past work but was explaining why they were doing what they were doing.

Dominic Mazoch posted:

Er, is the 150th aniv of the CP and UP linkup coming up in about 15 months?  Coming on like an Acela.

Yup. It’s sounds like reassembly has already begun or is about to. If they were volunteering 3 of their weekends last month to help out museums than I would guess that they are close to being on schedule. 

UP Steam Program March 2018 • On My Layout

My Bucket List from this Video Presentation

Thank-you:  Rocky Mountain Division: TCA's Rocky Mountain Train Show, for inviting Ed Dickens (Senior Manager Heritage Operations) and the UP Steam Crew for making a presentation again this year. Well done.

Yes: I am interested in the steam program to help with the planning and objectives for my model railroad.  If you would like to learn more about my objectives, Check out O Gauge Railroading run 278 - June/July 2015. Look for it on the cover: “ Man Cave Layout”, Article: pages 48 to 53.

After following the UP Steam Program I want to take my train layout to the next level and bring in a U P Big Boy.

1 U P Challenger MTH DCS Wi-Fi

1.  Now I am running a Lionel Challenger 4-6-6-4 with MTH • DCS Wi-Fi. I like how this system can be programed to run Lionel TMCC locomotives.

2 U P Challenger Profile View

2. A profile view of this UP 3980.

3 U P Tender Back Up Light

3. UP Tender on the 3980.

4 U P Challenger Front End v2

4. UP Challenger front end and boiler.

5 The Layout

5. The layout. This Challenger has eight passenger cars and after following the progress of the Union Pacific Steam Program; Cheyenne, Wyoming. I would like to put a Big Boy in front of these passenger cars. Not sure yet of what engine number.  Looking at Lionel, & MTH U P Big Boy’s.

6 UP Bucket List

Gary

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VERY interested.  And another great presentation!

Thanks to Union Pacific, Ed Dickens, and his entire UP Steam Crew for their progress in returning a storied locomotive to an operational new condition.  Great job so far and good luck!

I really look forward to seeing that beast under steam.

Bob Hales 3-Rail on the Front Range

When you purchase a MTH Locomotive, it comes with “Quick Start Guide” look at this as a “Quick Start Guide” for this very long video, all most 90 minutes. Some of the key objectives from Ed Dickens Presentation (Senior Manager Heritage Operations). Enjoy.

1 Openning Slides2 Eds wife3 Fireman4 Parts5 Steam Shop Crew6 Ambassadpr for RR7 Rear truck8 Conclusion9 UP Steam Update 2018 Logo

Thanks for taking a look…….  Gary: A Train Enthusiast 

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