Regardless of what happens to the BB project, we're getting a bumper crop of whine!
Simon
Simon Winter posted:Regardless of what happens to the BB project, we're getting a bumper crop of whine!
Simon
And has it accomplished anything?
Has there been a explosion of cheques in the mail returning deposits ?
After being kept in the dark so long can anyone see the light?
Doubt it on all counts. My opinion. Roo. (American O scaler for 35 years)
Roo posted:Simon Winter posted:Regardless of what happens to the BB project, we're getting a bumper crop of whine!
Simon
And has it accomplished anything?
Has there been a explosion of cheques in the mail returning deposits ?
After being kept in the dark so long can anyone see the light?
Doubt it on all counts. My opinion. Roo. (American O scaler for 35 years)
Probably no cubed, but it is entertainment for the masses, 
Sad that you guys think BB reservation holders finding out that the project is not coming to fruition as entertainment and whining. I do not find deposit holders' anguish as entertaining or whining. It's sad that you guys laugh at others' expense. All I can say is shame on you.
George diSanti
Where Tarheels rule!
Well Said George! It is SAD that others can find entertainment when misfortune happens. There will always be a few that find it amusing at others expense.
I had herd that there was a dentist who did all of GK dental work and Gk paid him in 3 N&W Y6B models, for the work back when they were imported. Now this person seems to act like it is OK to get screwed and Bent over, judged By his postings. And defends him GK when this issue comes up. It is simple people need to Sue his *** to get there money back with interest. GK is 65+ years so how long will you wait , another 17 years.
Bob
Roo posted:Simon Winter posted:Regardless of what happens to the BB project, we're getting a bumper crop of whine!
Simon
And has it accomplished anything?
Has there been a explosion of cheques in the mail returning deposits ?
After being kept in the dark so long can anyone see the light?
Doubt it on all counts. My opinion. Roo. (American O scaler for 35 years)
Yes Roo it has accomplished one thing:
Sunlight is a powerful disinfectant - it's going to make it very difficult to pull this stunt off again as its now very much in the public domain.
You and Bruce can discuss this at your leisure over the barbie - The power of social media in scales 1.43.5 - 1.48.
Opinion :-)
Limey posted:Roo posted:Simon Winter posted:Regardless of what happens to the BB project, we're getting a bumper crop of whine!
Simon
And has it accomplished anything?
Has there been a explosion of cheques in the mail returning deposits ?
After being kept in the dark so long can anyone see the light?
Doubt it on all counts. My opinion. Roo. (American O scaler for 35 years)
Yes Roo it has accomplished one thing:
Sunlight is a powerful disinfectant - it's going to make it very difficult to pull this stunt off again as its now very much in the public domain.
You and Bruce can discuss this at your leisure over the barbie - The power of social media in scales 1.43.5 - 1.48.
Opinion :-)
Well lets hope so nobody like to lose money even worse when they know where they lost it and can't get it back. Bruce and myself discuss lots of subjects over the kitchen table with our sandwiches but this is not one of them.
Based on the numerous grammatical errors appearing on this thread in the last 24 hours, I’d say most of you had a great holiday. 😁
As for the sentiment expressed by a previous poster suggesting that the GK BB situation won’t happen again, I strongly disagree. While a few may learn, the obsessive compulsive need to acquire more of these models combined with the power of the written word by someone who is an expert at propagating his own self-indulgent tripe, is a recipe for this scenario to be repeated over and over again.
PRR 5841 posted:Based on the numerous grammatical errors appearing on this thread in the last 24 hours, I’d say most of you had a great holiday. 😁
As for the sentiment expressed by a previous poster suggesting that the GK BB situation won’t happen again, I strongly disagree. While a few may learn, the obsessive compulsive need to acquire more of these models combined with the power of the written word by someone who is an expert at propagating his own self-indulgent tripe, is a recipe for this scenario to be repeated over and over again.
You used the word tripe, I was originally going to use this word to describe the outpourings of the finest but hesitated as I was not sure it was a word in use in the US. My grandmother used it when still alive, I am not sure how she would have described this crock, as she didn't resort to expletives. My whole arsenal of expletives would be inadequate to describe the whole sorry saga. What does amuse me though is that a certain someone is sitting up there in MI seething at what is being written here.
In relation to the sentiment I hope you are wrong for the sake of the hobby..........................
n.
Did all of the people griping on this thread follow any of the hay that was made during the Challenger and Pennsylvania caboose projects a few years ago? Or are all of you newbies to this stuff? If you were awake at any point during those episodes, you'd know that people were accusing Kohs of lying right and left. So no, I don't really see this as being much different.
My guess would be that if you've been into 0 scale for a while, into high end trains and are following the Big Boy, then you followed the Challenger project. Did you guys buy Challengers, too?
From the posters here, some of this looks contrived, similarly to the onslaught of scare tactics during other Kohs projects when the projects came through, NOT fell through.
At some point you guys will be right but the past 20, Kohs seems to have followed through eventually against some serious doubt.
I'm going to need a little more evidence of his demise.
Bob Harris posted:I had herd that there was a dentist who did all of GK dental work and Gk paid him in 3 N&W Y6B models, for the work back when they were imported. Now this person seems to act like it is OK to get screwed and Bent over, judged By his postings. And defends him GK when this issue comes up.
Really? I think I know who you are referring to, but I've rarely seen this doctor post anything. Where does he post his defense of Kohs?
christopher N&W posted:Did all of the people griping on this thread follow any of the hay that was made during the Challenger and Pennsylvania caboose projects a few years ago? Or are all of you newbies to this stuff? If you were awake at any point during those episodes, you'd know that people were accusing Kohs of lying right and left. So no, I don't really see this as being much different.
My guess would be that if you've been into 0 scale for a while, into high end trains and are following the Big Boy, then you followed the Challenger project. Did you guys buy Challengers, too?
From the posters here, some of this looks contrived, similarly to the onslaught of scare tactics during other Kohs projects when the projects came through, NOT fell through.
At some point you guys will be right but the past 20, Kohs seems to have followed through eventually against some serious doubt.
I'm going to need a little more evidence of his demise.
Are you suggesting that because this situation having transpired before, those currently involved and aware of previous unpleasantries have no right to complain as they should have known better?
Chris: I have been a long time Kohs buyer of many of his projects with buying several variation of those projects. You have only bought a limited number of his projects. You Absolutely do not know what is going on! Have you gotten private emails on the many projects you have not purchased? You apparently do not have your glasses on (maybe you need magnifiers) to see the evidence in front of your nose. A blind cat can see that this is not the same as any other time! For those that have Dollars at stake and have already got a lawyer know the truth that this time it is much different. No one is complaining, but trying to inform others that do not know what is "NOT" happening. Fives years plus and counting and NADA is not the same as any other project. I do not know why you are stuck on the Challenger project. Get real, as those that are involved with this project know better.
Kohs has been updating his rolling stock projects stating that he will soon be taking reservation/deposits. I was just wondering how many will put down deposits on the next projects when a pilot model for the BB does not exist .
nw2124 posted:Chris: I have been a long time Kohs buyer of many of his projects with buying several variation of those projects. You have only bought a limited number of his projects. You Absolutely do not know what is going on! Have you gotten private emails on the many projects you have not purchased? You apparently do not have your glasses on (maybe you need magnifiers) to see the evidence in front of your nose. A blind cat can see that this is not the same as any other time! For those that have Dollars at stake and have already got a lawyer know the truth that this time it is much different. No one is complaining, but trying to inform others that do not know what is "NOT" happening. Fives years plus and counting and NADA is not the same as any other project. I do not know why you are stuck on the Challenger project. Get real, as those that are involved with this project know better.
I’d address you by your first name as you have addressed me by mine but apparently your preference is to HIDE behind a screen name.
1. You don’t know anything about my involvement in this hobby.
2. You don’t know anything about my collection.
3. You don’t know anything about my previous transactions with Kohs.
4. I’m not “Stuck” on Kohs Challenger or anything else from Kohs.
5. If “No one is complaining” then why are some hiring lawyers?
6. Please don’t drink and type here again! 🤣🤣🤣
Chris
nw2124 posted:Kohs has been updating his rolling stock projects stating that he will soon be taking reservation/deposits. I was just wondering how many will put down deposits on the next projects when a pilot model for the BB does not exist .
I'd surely be interested in PFE and FGEX reefers.
I'm very interested in seeing a sample of the work product of whatever builder is now building his rolling stock.
PRR 5841 posted:nw2124 posted:Chris: I have been a long time Kohs buyer of many of his projects with buying several variation of those projects. You have only bought a limited number of his projects. You Absolutely do not know what is going on! Have you gotten private emails on the many projects you have not purchased? You apparently do not have your glasses on (maybe you need magnifiers) to see the evidence in front of your nose. A blind cat can see that this is not the same as any other time! For those that have Dollars at stake and have already got a lawyer know the truth that this time it is much different. No one is complaining, but trying to inform others that do not know what is "NOT" happening. Fives years plus and counting and NADA is not the same as any other project. I do not know why you are stuck on the Challenger project. Get real, as those that are involved with this project know better.
I’d address you by your first name as you have addressed me by mine but apparently your preference is to HIDE behind a screen name.
1. You don’t know anything about my involvement in this hobby.
2. You don’t know anything about my collection.
3. You don’t know anything about my previous transactions with Kohs.
4. I’m not “Stuck” on Kohs Challenger or anything else from Kohs.
5. If “No one is complaining” then why are some hiring lawyers?
6. Please don’t drink and type here again! 🤣🤣🤣
Chris
PRR 5841,
I think you are confused about who you are responding to. I'm not NW2124 who is Stephen. Stephen is on your side responding to me. I'm Chris and apparently you are Chris, also? Please don't type while you are confused.
At any rate, heck yes, long timers in the know should have known better.
I feel for the guys with deposits at risk. Like I said earlier, if you are sure the project is dead, then sue. But I think that'll kill the Big Boy project altogether and loss of investment for all involved.
Until it happens, I'll still hold out that the project will go on. I was convinced by the doubters last time that the Challenger project and the Pennsy caboose projects were dead. I was very surprised and amazed to hear that they were imported after all the commentary and threats beforehand.
As my old Daddy used to say, don't believe anything you hear and about half of what you see and you'll do OK! He made it to nearly 94.
Too much innuendo and bad grammar, and spelling, and people being plain hateful, and lynch mob mentality.
Simon
OK...this discussion has gotten ugly....has been getting worse over time and at this point as far as OGR is concerned, has no place on this forum. There are personal remarks here that are against our TOS. The topic is closed... Take up your concerns and legal issues with the proper folks and leave the discussion privately via email....don't do it here!
