Called Lionel last week and was able to get an update on their Jupiter and 119. They said that they expect to receive them sometime this week. With that said, in theory, they should arrive at dealers in mid to late October. Thanks for reading and hope y’all found this info helpful.
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Cool. Can't wait to get mine.
Hopefully the Auxiliary tenders are on the same boat as this one.
@Peter Araujo posted:Hopefully the Auxiliary tenders are on the same boat as this one.
Which Auxiliary tenders would be referring too?
@Trainmaster04 posted:Which Auxiliary tenders would be referring too?
The Mohawk style tender from 2020 C1.
@Peter Araujo posted:The Mohawk style tender from 2020 C1.
Oh yes, now I remember! Yes, hopefully so and thanks for reminding me.
Thank you for the update. Today (Oct 15) makes it mid-October, so I will say, "Any Day Now."
Yes you are right. I called Lionel yesterday and the lady told me they are on the water and are expecting them to arrive any day now. So far it is looking towards and of the month early November.
Ryan commented on the Demo with Dave on Monday that Lionel will have them in hand Thursday (Oct. 16th) and should ship to dealers next week 😁
@zhubl posted:Ryan commented on the Demo with Dave on Monday that Lionel will have them in hand Thursday (Oct. 16th) and should ship to dealers next week 😁
That good to hear! Hopefully they will be sent out and arrive at dealers quick.
IS the PRR Locomotive with this batch as well?
@prrhorseshoecurve posted:IS the PRR Locomotive with this batch as well?
I don’t know why the wouldn’t be. I would honestly be very surprised if the PRR and other models aren’t in the same container
Big news! I just got charged by Lionel for the amount of the Brass Hybrid so they have finally arrived!
Wondering if the B&O Wagon Top Cabooses are on that shipment?
Steam Forever
John
Yes! They are finally here! I inspected some of each sku yesterday when they came in and everything looked perfect. We'll begin shipping these out to our direct customers and dealers today and next week. For those who can't wait (like me!) I'll be on Facebook Live tonight at 6:00 unboxing these at home. I have to say, this has been a 3 year project of love and I personally am very proud at the way they turned out. If you don't do Facebook, I'm sure you'll find the video reposted here soon by another member. I hope you'll all agree that they are worth the wait.
Hey Conrail,
I guess you are referring to the Jupiter & 119, or are you referring to the caboose in my question?
Steam Forever
John
Sorry John, I missed your post. I'll be reviewing the 4-4-0s tonight. The cabooses still have a little while to go... they are scheduled to leave the factory at the end of this month. That should get them here mid-December if all goes well. Thank you!
@Conrail6358 posted:Sorry John, I missed your post. I'll be reviewing the 4-4-0s tonight. The cabooses still have a little while to go... they are scheduled to leave the factory at the end of this month. That should get them here mid-December if all goes well. Thank you!
Did the b6sb arrive too? Chomping at the bit for that one!
hey Ryan,
Once I get to you tube, around 6pm, what will I look for"
John
I'll have to catch the rerun. I'm out right now and am interested in seeing what things look like.
Here is the link to Lionel’s Facebook page with the video that Ryan is talking about:
Just watched the video and something I noticed was that Ryan did not mention the individual numbering of the models. I looked back at the catalog, to confirm my suspicion, and in the features section, it shows individual numbering. So, my question is did Lionel do away with it or did I miss something?
Wow! Check out that old school "china cabinet"... gotta be a joke in there somewhere . Haven't seen one of those since I was a kid.
Pennsy version looks sharp. Too bad there was no test run. No layout for Ryan?
He should send those to Eric Siegel for an operational demo.
Yeah, it would be cool for Eric to a demo on one of these beauties. I can say, I will be doing a full product review of the 119 and its matching cars as soon as it arrives.
@Conrail6358 posted:Yes! They are finally here! I inspected some of each sku yesterday when they came in and everything looked perfect. We'll begin shipping these out to our direct customers and dealers today and next week. For those who can't wait (like me!) I'll be on Facebook Live tonight at 6:00 unboxing these at home. I have to say, this has been a 3 year project of love and I personally am very proud at the way they turned out. If you don't do Facebook, I'm sure you'll find the video reposted here soon by another member. I hope you'll all agree that they are worth the wait.
Watched your video over the weekend, and have to say it's made me even more excited to get mine. I love early American style locomotives with all the color like these, as well as later ones that were more 'drab'. I hope Lionel looks at doing more smaller scale locomotives like this is wheel arrangements other than 4-4-0.
Also, was that a broken tether wire on 119? In the video it seemed like there was an extra wire just floating near the connector.
@sinclair posted:Watched your video over the weekend, and have to say it's made me even more excited to get mine. I love early American style locomotives with all the color like these, as well as later ones that were more 'drab'. I hope Lionel looks at doing more smaller scale locomotives like this is wheel arrangements other than 4-4-0.
Also, was that a broken tether wire on 119? In the video it seemed like there was an extra wire just floating near the connector.
No, you are correct. I noticed the same wire. Personally, this make me a bit worried that this is going to be another batch of locomotives that are going to have never ending teething problems. All I hope is that the others do not turn out to be like the recent scale Legacy Big Boys.
Great engines, I really love the faux wooden cab as well as the paint job. One thing of concern which Tony at my LTS said when I was telling him about them was the drawbar pins. He said that he hoped they stocked up on them.
Also, I thought Ryan had said he would try to do a test run this week before the Virtual York show? Maybe I'm mistaken and heard something else(steam engine whistle)?
I watched and I must say Lionel has done a nice job with these. I'd be interested to see what the mystery wire is as well but not overly concerned about it.
I'll run these and some other steam on my show next Monday.
See, I knew something like this wood happen. Ryan unboxes, Dave runs. Dave, can't wait to see you run then around. Make sure you don't lose the drawbar pins.
I know I asked this before but what happened to the individual numbering of these models?
Were these bto? I can't find them anywhere.
@Frank Mulligan posted:Were these bto? I can't find them anywhere.
Yes, very limited, and never made again according to lionel
Lionel store has some in stock.They are offering 10% off if you sign up for emails.
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Just got my Jupiter. The unique numbering is under the engine. Mine says "127 of 277" so it was a relatively small production run. It is a beautiful detailed and painted brass engine but I can understand the negative comments about this product posted on this forum last year. There is no sound or smoke, just lights--pretty similar to the engines of old. I know I had a few 2nd thoughts just after shelling out $1100. For me, it's fine since I'll put the engine on a display shelf with all the other Lionel 1800's-era trains that I never actually run!. I also purchased the trailing passengers cars, one which provides the sounds.
Wow! the engine is really nice. You can see that there was a lot of attention to detail. One small thing that I noticed... and make a big difference in my opinion, is the correct size of the lead trucks. So many of the scale engines have the small trucks and look out of proportion, not these engines.
Charlie
@Bruce Brown posted:Just got my Jupiter. The unique numbering is under the engine. Mine says "127 of 277" so it was a relatively small production run. It is a beautiful detailed and painted brass engine but I can understand the negative comments about this product posted on this forum last year. There is no sound or smoke, just lights--pretty similar to the engines of old. I know I had a few 2nd thoughts just after shelling out $1100. For me, it's fine since I'll put the engine on a display shelf with all the other Lionel 1800's-era trains that I never actually run!. I also purchased the trailing passengers cars, one which provides the sounds.
Ok, that is interesting. I found the numbering about a few days after made my last post. Mine says 145 out of 260. Since yours says 277 that means the overall numbering is different for each variation.
I received a phone call message from Lionel today saying the two engine set was ready to ship but due to a manufacturing problem there would be no free coach cars. They are discounting the set by 10 percent or you can cancel the order. Anyone have any further information about whether the passenger cars will eventually be available or is this it? Just the engines. (note I already have the add on cars with sound.)
I got the same phone call. I was never told why no free Coach set. I just assumed they can’t count and sent them all out the door too quick. The woodruff sleeping cars did get made I was gonna see if any dealers have some left
I too received the call. Apparently not enough were made or something along those lines. I'm not quite sure how the built to order concept is supposed to work if they aren't going to build what was ordered and I'm not overly happy about this. I only ordered direct through Lionel because of the special package they were offering, otherwise I would have supported a smaller hobby shop by ordering through them. The 10% is great, but now I'm still out the two cars that I would have just ordered separately had I known the individual sales ones would be shipped.
I nearly missed out on the matching two packs that I had ordered in May of 2019 when announced because Lionel shorted the major dealer that I had ordered (and prepaid) from and all the dealer could do was refund my money. Thankfully Lionel had a couple sets left in stock in their online store, but I certainly shouldn't have been left scrambling to get ahold of those sets and the dealer shouldn't have lost a sale due to that. Needless to say, I hadn't preordered anything this major before and probably never will again after this experience.
After programming the handsome Jupiter with its sound car for Legacy, and giving it a test run (forward, reverse, bell, whistle), I put it up for display on the wall with the other Lionel Heritage sets. The mirrored display cases are from Daves Bases and Cases who most people know from his booth in the Red Hall at York. The cases are floating on the wall using Cascades Iron J-Brackets.
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I am disappointed too. For the amount of the set you would think they would take care of us and then the general public. I'm talking of course about the coach cars included. I would have purchased them separately before if I knew about this. I'm still waiting for my engine set while others have received them on the 16th of this month, With the two car coach included. How did that work? The article says a savings of 299.98 but they are only discounting 220.00. Go figure!
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I received the Central Pacific 2 car set last month without any warning. I am curious if anyone has received the Union Pacific set yet or aware of a status with them?
I also had placed an order for the Transcontinental Anniversary set that included the sleeper cars. I placed the order on the same day that I received the e-mail announcing the set, though I didn't receive any notification that the sleeper car set would not be included. I have been charged for the anniversary set, and it appears the charge is less than I expected, so I infer it will not include the cars. I also have not received any shipping notification, the charge occurred on 30 Oct and a shipping order may yet to be created. I will try to call this week to fully understand my shipment. I expect it will be a disappointment...
@Pitts posted:I received the Central Pacific 2 car set last month without any warning. I am curious if anyone has received the Union Pacific set yet or aware of a status with them?
I also had placed an order for the Transcontinental Anniversary set that included the sleeper cars. I placed the order on the same day that I received the e-mail announcing the set, though I didn't receive any notification that the sleeper car set would not be included. I have been charged for the anniversary set, and it appears the charge is less than I expected, so I infer it will not include the cars. I also have not received any shipping notification, the charge occurred on 30 Oct and a shipping order may yet to be created. I will try to call this week to fully understand my shipment. I expect it will be a disappointment...
I ordered the full special set with both locomotives and sleepers and then eventually also both two packs of cars through the Lionel store. Both sets of cars (UP & CP) arrived in the same shipment.
They called me last week to inform me that the sleeper cars would no longer be included and that a 10% discount would be applied to the order. I was billed for the set at the reduced cost and there is a Fedex tracking number under the order in my Lionelstore.com account, however it's just because they printed the label. I assume (hope) they'll actually be shipped on Monday or at least early in the week.
@Caliyo posted:I am disappointed too. For the amount of the set you would think they would take care of us and then the general public. I'm talking of course about the coach cars included. I would have purchased them separately before if I knew about this. I'm still waiting for my engine set while others have received them on the 16th of this month, With the two car coach included. How did that work? The article says a savings of 299.98 but they are only discounting 220.00. Go figure!
I believe the deal was basically buy both locomotives, get two sleeper cars free.
I'm conflicted between being content with having the locomotives for $220 less without the free cars and being irritated because I won't be getting what I originally ordered and now don't have any real option to obtain the cars at a reasonable price since the $220 won't cover the $299.98 MSRP of the cars if a set can even be found.
Hi Jake, correct, that was to be the deal with the anniversary set.
I agree with you, I find it irritating that Built to Order doesn't even mean you will actually receive a physical product that you ordered through any means.
It's one thing for phosphorescent orange to show up on Milwaukee Roads, misspelled road names that contain the name of a state in the Union, promised detailing to make items unique gets struck. I get it, things happen. But not being able to actually deliver a product to a known quantity of buyers seems to be a new level of loss in any resemblance of being a manufacturer. They weren't 'guessing' or 'forecasting' how many to make. They knew...
It really makes me question any commitment they will have when the dust settles once it is understood what will happen with MTH. (I'm going to miss their product if or when it goes away). I fear the lack of any competition will further erode the big one left standing. There just doesn't seem to be much attention to detail now as the BTO business model is showing signs of becoming haphazard in execution. I guess they are not happy, until we are not happy! .
How about good faith to the customer base to deliver on commitments, even if later. Not just offer a cursory discount that is less than what they advertise as the retail price of the free bits. They should spend more time engineering their product requirements, QC, and the supply chain and less time engineering their message. A very good friend of mine from days gone by used to say, if we all keep telling the same lie, it will be truth. I guess if it works for politics and big businesses, it works for the nitch companies too. That's just sad. It was special order, limited quantity, never to be made again, order now! Oh, but it only applies to a few of you who order, we didn't really mean 'All' of you, sorry...
It doesn't help they are owned by an equity firm, and I get this too, they are about 'equity', not about instilling confidence into your customer base regardless of the size, or keeping promises, or to promote and grow any of the business. It's about money, not the product. It's just return on investment, which equates to death by a thousand cuts. Does an L in LLC stand for laughable?
I keep thinking Hot Water may have the right idea, as painful and sad as that makes me feel. On a side note, my grandfather worked for "Missiouri Pacific" as a sheet metal worker in St. Louis. He bought a 700E in the late 30's, which my Dad now has. This hobby has been my thing too for a very long time.
Just received my set today (both engines). Very nice detail.. great job. I figured by ordering a set both engines would be numbered the same. I know its just a sticker. One was out of 260 and the other 277. Thought there were 270 sets made. Funny the manual is for the engines and the couch cars the were not included.
Yeah I figured the same at at least in a set they could be the same number but it’s not really a special sticker. Cool to know how many were made though. I had the same issues (lack of communication) from Lionelstore. When I ordered on May 10th 2019 my card was to expire that month but they want card information. So when I called in October to update the card since I got tired of waiting for them to call the lady was very nice but said that order was closed because they were unable to Bill the cars in August, I was pretty upset when she was telling me I may not even get the sound cars I ordered with NO communication from them, no calls no email. Everything worked out but I don’t know if I’d ever order through Lionelstore.com again
I'm curious the shipping cartons on the locomotives seamed to be a thicker and heavier cardboard. Is this just me? Maybe that’s why these things are actually showing up relatively unscathed