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I'm in the finishing stages of laying the track for my first 4' x 8' layout. Only about 5% of the track is actually laying on the table, while the vast majority of the sections are on risers and custom-cut incline/decline wood pieces that are spaced every 5" or so. The track is all laying over homasote strips with the exception of about 10 or 12 track pieces that will be inside of a mountain structure. Next comes the interesting part, where I will lay the plaster cloth and begin the aesthetics.

 

Getting back to my original question, have I committed an error by selecting the Super O track? My only experience had been with the 50s Lionel tubular track, and I wanted something more realistic. When I stopped into my only even remotely local train shop a few weeks ago, the (decidedly grumpy) owners laughed and shot each other a look when I mentioned that I'm using the Super O. When I asked why they didn't seem to approve, the one guy told me to rip it out and put in Gargreaves. He said that I can regularly expect to be replacing the rollers, and that Super O was considered a bad design 50 years ago; much worse now with all of the modern options.

 

I didn't think much of it, but in my test runs these past few nights, I've noticed that the bus connectors on the center rail have a propensity to pop up and/or off from time to time when the train constant passes over them. Further, it seems to be a rough ride in general, or at least rougher than I was accustomed to with the tubular Lionel. When switched into reverse (which I don't plan on doing in regular use) the wheels of various cars tend to jump off the track. 

 

What's the deal? Have I made a mistake by going with the Super O?

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I have a Super "O" D-223 display layout. I use both original and repro bus bars. How can that be, you may ask, when some complain about the repro bus bars? The answer: I take a screw driver and insert it into the repro bus bar and widen it a tad. Curiously, this helps keep them in place. Previously, I had tightened the repro's and they would pop off. I got this idea from the OGR Forum. It works. I run trains with NO ISSUES. And the Super "O" track looks great.

 

My 2055 Hudson from 1955 (now retired) ran about a million miles on my 4X8 027

layout; it has never touched Super-O.

 

It has very nice grooves in both rollers.

 

Hurts nothing. I have seen modern (MTH) rollers with grooves from high-mileage on RealTrax (NOT ScaleTrax). Not trashing MTH - just what I have seen.

 

Mostly, though, modern, hard steel rollers (some appear to be bronze?) will not give

you trouble in your lifetime on any track, at least not due to wear. 

 

Think of it this way: if your loco has run long enough to get grooves in the rollers,

it must be a very tough and reliable piece of equipment, a good thing. Maybe you

need more locos, to spread out the wear...there's a nice thought.

Originally Posted by Desert Center CA:
When I stopped into my only even remotely local train shop a few weeks ago, the (decidedly grumpy) owners laughed and shot each other a look when I mentioned that I'm using the Super O. When I asked why they didn't seem to approve, the one guy told me to rip it out and put in Gargreaves. He said that I can regularly expect to be replacing the rollers, and that Super O was considered a bad design 50 years ago; much worse now with all of the modern options.

 

Old wives' tale from long ago, and one of which the self-appointed "experts" never seem to tire.

 

As D500 mentions above, ordinary tubular track will put grooves in the rollers over time.  I have a 2026 that I've owned since 1951, and the tender rollers are grooved, even though it's never run on anything but 027 track.

 

As for the problems you report, I've never heard of anything like them.  I had a Super-O layout in the Seventies, and although the track wasn't even fastened down, I never experienced anything like that.  I only used original Lionel center-rail clips.

 

Phillyreading says above that your only real problem is going to be finding more Super-O, and he's probably right.  Run it, enjoy it, and let the wise guys laugh all they like.

 

I remember when Super "O" came out. Someone almost from the start talked about the grooves in their rollers. No way it could happen so fast. I have seen a number of Super "O" layouts over the years and haven't noticed anyone complaining about grooves. It was one of those stories that spread very fast and everyone seemed to believe it. Kind of sad because it really slowed the sales of the new Lionel track. If you like the track, use it. Don

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