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I just finished a phone call with the TCA business office that has me concerned, as well as disappointed and somewhat disturbed. Normally I would not discuss something like this on the forum, but its implications affect all of us in the hobby and so this post is intended to avoid emails and calls to us as to the what and why of TCA's decision.

I have been informed that TCA is ending its association with OGR as well as CTT with respect to its advertising. Part of the reasoning was stated as the average age of their membership being 75 years old and a desire to reach younger folks using the internet rather than print. I explained that about 85 percent of TCA's message on OGR went to online participants: namely the forum (with millions of page views per month) and our online magazine which is growing. Unfortunately this was met with "the decision has been made." Budget constraints were sited with a drastic cut across the board for advertising.

OGR has had a long and positive relationship with the National TCA, and has supported the organization through special promotions as well as multiple specific categories created especially for the TCA on our forum. As you all know, those club-specific categories are wildly popular and thus cost OGR to maintain, which partially comes from the support of businesses in this hobby.

I have been in marketing for quite a few decades and have worked with marketing teams from well-known companies through my association with Gannett Media. You name the major company and my team likely worked with them at one time or another. I understand budgets and markets, as well as demographics (not trying to brag here just trying to make a point). The decision to remove name awareness from the largest group of participants in this segment of the hobby in my mind needs more thought. This is akin to tearing down all billboards with your message on every major U.S. highway! And yes, billboards are very effective if used properly and in the most trafficked areas. OGR, CTT, and other publications are the main highways of this hobby! We offer not only traditional print products, but we also offer online/social media products. It seems to me that a discussion of how to more effectively use our online advertising would be on the table, however that was not the case during this morning's conversation. The TCA, in my opinion, appears to many newcomers to be a "collector" organization by virtue of its name. This may be a problem in today's market since the emphasis in recent times is more on operating trains and building layouts. Perhaps some consideration should be given to a name change for the TCA that more adequately reflects both the collector and operator participants in our hobby. With the reach that OGR and CTT have already established, we could play a major role in helping revitalize the TCA with fresh new advertising messages. Organizations must evolve with the trends in the hobby and address those trends! We have done so here at O Gauge Railroading magazine, and we will continue to do so as long as we have your financial and moral support!

Finally, the team here at OGR wishes the National TCA the very best as they endeavor to build awareness of their group. We have enjoyed our relationship with them over many decades, and hope that we have future opportunities to serve and work with them to support and grow our great hobby.

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So this begs the question...What can we do to help?

I think all TCA members who subscribe to OGR and/or CTT should write to the TCA National and ask them to reconsider their decision. Their decision is very short-sighted and cutting ties with the 2 magazines that support the 3-rail toy train hobby is a big mistake in my opinion. They will receive a letter from me very shortly.

A name change for TCA might be in order; or I wonder if a merger of the TCA and what seems to be left of TTOS might be a possibility.

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Stunning decision to say the least. It doesn’t bode well for next week.

Support of major participants such as TCA, Lionel, OGR, etc for each other has been important for the hobby for many years. And has, in our opinion, been a factor in their success. In the past few years, each participant appears to have made a decision that the other’s services cost more than can be justified.

Perhaps a meeting between the parties before the Fall show would be beneficial. Or has that train, like most passenger trains, left the station.

O Scale Kings changed its name to O Scale Central in 2022 because the organization felt that the "Kings" name was archaic and out of touch.  Perhaps TCA needs to consider doing something similar?

As a TCA member, I think that the organization should support the media that supports the hobby.  We are all dependent on each other.  I am not sure where TCA can find a younger audience than through the modeling magazines especially since the magazines all have digital editions.  NH Joe

The TCA and the York meets have been an an endless source of interest and discussion on this Forum for over 20 years. The York meet has its own sub Forum here ( free to the organization I'll wager) and is extremely popular and a great source for up to the minute news.

It is incomprehensible to me why the TCA would wish to cancel that relationship and go it alone. Especially just before the April Meet. "Disconnected" is the only term that seems to apply here.

John

Lionel is by far the major manufacturer of toy trains (dollar value) in the United States and places two pages of full ads in every print edition of OGR.  The lack of Lionel advertising in CTT has more to do with previous opinions in CTT editorial towards Lionel than lack of utility, I gather.  If Lionel believes they can reach important segments of their consumer audience through print OGR, it's baffling to think that TCA thinks otherwise.  Hopefully they will reconsider if finances allow.

OGR just recently added a forum on 3D printing. Discussion threads range from the latest Bluetooth control applications to laser cutting of materials. This is a forward thinking, forward moving constituency that is adopting innovations in technology. I'm not clear on why a business seeking "younger demographics" would want to eject action-oriented first adopters on the internet from their portfolio.

I realize that today's economic environment is very challenging for any business or organization such as the TCA and tough decisions have to be made. Having said this I hope that the TCA will reconsider their decision, OGR and CTT are much more than simply a print medium and it would be very short sighted to think so.  This forum is the melting pot of our hobby bringing together both young and old, the novice and experienced.  OGR enables the novice to ask questions and to learn about all aspects of our great hobby which can be the path to TCA membership. It seems less likely that a newcomer will become a TCA member first and then learn about the hobby.   To the TCA officials please take a little time to sit down with Alan and discuss ideas outside of the box, you might just be surprised what Alan can come up with. Best of luck to the TCA and OGR.

Y’all are being too diplomatic, and polite for me. It’s a dumb--- move by archaic thinking dumb---es. I learned of the TCA thru OGR magazine and forum. Without the info I acquired from OGR, I probably wouldn’t have joined. By the way, TCA membership’s opinion wasn’t asked for. This was all the politicos sitting up high.

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I think there's a major oversight in all these fears about the average age of members of the hobby being past retirement age: yes, people age and eventually pass on, but thanks to a thing called time, new people are reaching retirement age every day.  Every year, 75 year-olds become 76, but 74 year-olds become 75.  Especially considering the ever-increasing life expectancy, it's not like there will ever be a shortage of folks in their golden years.

As a younger, working-age guy, I know I'm the exception, not the rule, and that's totally ok!  I know the internet and social media (combined, I believe, with the pandemic and stay-at-home orders, and now remote work to the present day) have served to draw many younger folks into the hobby, which is fantastic.  But let's face it, our hobby is expensive and time-consuming which is perfect for individuals post-retirement, but not exactly tailor-made for people in earlier studying, working, marrying, traveling, raising kids, and saving for college stages of their lives, except for die-hards like me.

My two cents: I think this is a major failure of understanding one's customer base on behalf of the TCA.

I also am disappointed that TCA would make this kind of decision and wonder if it is the result of a recommendation from a hired consultant who doesn't really have a grasp of the nature of this hobby.   

Options mentioned above would be more productive: I agree that organization's name should be changed to reflect the more diverse interests of the current membership and that consolidation with TTOS would make a lot of sense.  "Association of Train Collectors & Operators (ATC&O)" perhaps would keep in mind the old Chesapeake & Ohio Railway motto, "C&O for progress."

I also think that "toy" and "toy trains" are overused and this adversely affects image and recruiting new members among many age groups - and not just teens and young adults.  Some years ago, when we were planning a trip to Strasburg for a ten year old nephew and his friend, their reaction to visiting the National Toy Train Museum was negative.  They did not want to visit a "toy train museum."  There are so many other naming options: Electric trains, model trains, or something like "Train Collectors and Operators Museum."

FWIW, as a related issue, I believe four organizations in this sector of the hobby (TCA, TTOS, LCCA, and LOTS) is at least two too many competing for the shrinking number of hobbyists and hobbyists' dollars.  I personally, as I get older, am reducing the number of organizations I belong to.  I just can't keep up with multiple organizations that cover pretty much the same territory. 

Meh, I wouldn't sweat it Alan.  I'm a TCA member for now, but the writing is on the wall.  Lionel (and several other big-name vendors) don't go to York anymore.  The Big E is going to overtake York, and the TCA will eventually fade into irrelevance since new folks will no longer have a reason to join.  My $.02.

Hopefully the TCA sees this thread, and realizes how dumb a move that was!…..Arnold hit it on the head, between the OGR, and CTT, not only are they both the super highways for anything & everything O scale, but they’re the ONLY highways……sure there’s some FB groups, etc, ….but to be sure they don’t have the beacon power of a dedicated print media, and then backed up with a very strong online presence,……what’s really puzzling to me, is why would you shut out a large percentage of your customer base??……it’s like they’re going dark on purpose,……

Pat

Lordy, Lordy!  It seems like it's every day now.  No matter what I pick up, open up, or tune into nowadays there's some discomforting change to our 'happy places'.  It's no wonder Sheldon can't stand changes in and to his routines and associations! 

That said, I guess the TCA's decision of where they get the most bang for their buck is not unlike the decision a few years ago that the 'gorillas' of our shows/meets...Lionel, MTH, Atlas, et alia...announced they would be more selective of their traveling show venues/schedules, focusing on growth (read: youth) potential.  And, so, their presence at, for instance, York meets has diminished from what we once enjoyed looking forward to.

I doubt letters and emails bearing grump and grouse to TCA headquarters will change anything.  Perhaps it will only reinforce the 'curmudgeon' label many of us old pharts get tagged with lately!  (Yeah, I heard you!...as I left the service area of the local auto dealership I'd patronized for the past 30+ years!  They dumped their 30-minute Quick Lube oil change area, replacing it with additional "more versatile" hoists for which you now have to make an appointment...which I did...only to wait in their lounge for 2 hours...before the "paperwork" was finally done!   We're all done and going elsewhere, folks!  They decided to change.  Me too!) 

Most organizations are going through this sort of angst.  I just got the annual financial info from one of the prototype groups of which I've been a 25+ year member.  The numbers are not good...at all!  Sure, it's a fallen flag group.  And the faithful's demographics reflect reality.  But, who hasn't heard...or felt...the belt-tightening in our own personal budgets??   And, no, my wife and I don't call our favorite restaurants, retail stores, travel agents, sports venues, etc., etc, etc. to have an open discussion with them before making the hard budgetary decisions, either.

Yes, some open-minded discussion would've been welcome before this topical decision was made.  But, very few organizations take the time to do so nowadays.  It is what it is. 

(sigh)

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, continuing fun and enjoyment awaits in the basement and workshop.  Getting together with friends for commiserations, celebrations, ...and libations...continues unabated. 

KD

I have zero knowledge about TCA. Aside from financially dropping support for this forum (I assume) why does this decision matter. For me they are an irrelevant organization.  I guess my question should be "why should I care? "  From the posts many folks think otherwise.   

On the other hand, virtually anytime I do a search for information, there is a link back to this forum. And its all the time. Very grateful for the scope of information on this forum and why I choose to support it.

I'm one of those younger people in the hobby (35 with young kids). I'm in the hobby because I was into it when I was a kid, not because I was drawn in recently.

I will say that this hobby in general needs to get with the times. I use my phone for everything. I'm a software engineer so I have great desktop machines, but my phone is constantly in use. This forum, and the people on it, are not exactly friendly to using phones (just go take a look at the Base 3 conversations) or consuming/sharing information in a way that resonates with younger folks. The explosion in popularity of the various YouTube channels isn't an accident. That content is resonating with people!

If the TCA is truly trying to cater to a younger audience, has this forum positioned itself to be a prime place to capture that demographic? Sounds like from the TCA's eyes, the answer is no.

I’m in my mid-30’s and am a TCA member, but that was only to buy some custom runs only offered to members. Other than that, I have no reason to be a member.  If they don’t support the sites like OGR, what’s the point of saying they want a younger demographic? The younger folks live on the internet and OGR is the site we tend to hang around on since it’s a wealth of information available instantly.

When I first read Alan's title, I thought that something/someone committed a major faux-pah here on the forum! After I opened it and read it, I was really surprised/shocked the such a decision was made  by TCA. I am not a member of TCA, as a two-railer their field of interest has no real interest to me. As an aside, when I visit a friend in Baltimore, I do read his CTT and enjoyed looking at the past. Note that between reading his print OGR and using this forum, I became a subscriber.

With the above having been said, I think that TCA is making a mistake as both the print/digital magazine and this forum does reach a large portion of the three-rail hobby that includes some young folks. There is hope for the future of the hobby. As to the loss of the advertiser, one person above said "why should I care?"; well, there is a loss of revenue that will have to made up somewhere.

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