What better way to introduce myself to the Forum than with a first look at our Vision GG1! These are on their way to you now. Hope you all enjoy watching and running these as much as our team has enjoyed building them and making this video. Look for more product videos and updates to come in the near future. Vision Line GG1 Video
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Thanks Ryan! Looking forward to mine.
Welcome to the OGR Forum, Ryan.
Stu
Welcome to the Forum!
Here is the video embedded for everyone's viewing pleasure:
Informative video - but cheesy!
I think the looks of these things are finally starting to wear on me, I think I'm starting to like them...this could be costly! And I like the paint scheme on the orange and blue one.
Welcome to the forum Ryan & thanks for posting the video.
I love the CHEESY guy
AlanRail posted:I love the CHEESY guy
I do too...you mean the mechanical engineer guy? Or the other cheesy guy?
Just kidding, welcome you guys, and looking forward to hearing more from you.
I have found that it seems better to remove product from the foam by carefully turning the foam over and lifting the foam off the device. Seems less traumatic for the small details...
I enjoy when the major players post a video highlighting new product. I've wanted a scale GG1 for a long time. Welcome to the forum Ryan.
Paul
Great GG1. Only question I have, the horn doesn't correct to the engine. Maybe I'm hearing it wrong, but it doesn't sound like a A200. But for me, the JLC #4876 I own, the horn sounds better then the Vision Line. But other then that, the new VL GG1 is great. But I'm still keeping my JLC. I still the love the operating pantographs with the sounds of raising and lower of the pantographs. But that's my opinion. I know other people will differ. But still, Lionel did a great job on this model. Only thing missing is, Mike Reagan.
I hope everybody reads the instructions first before complaining that the smoke unit does not work all the time.
Rod Miller
That's a very good point RoMiller49. 
Maybe we should save the video link just in case?
Well it comes always on...and you have to do something to put it on 30 sec every 5 min. But...it'll come up. That's part of the fun.
Welcome Ryan and that is going to be a classic engine!
That is underwhelming, for sure.
Yeesh, reminds me of a couple of bad car salesman.
"It's got leds in the pantographs and um ..stereo sound (from speakers 4"apart)and um......hey...what else is there Ryan????"
Smellvision.....are you kidding? This isn't a 10 dollar tub of oxyclean on hsn.
Hope you have a wonderful holiday Mike , we miss ya!
The guy on the left must think he is talking to 8 year old's. I think he could have been more professional.
They look like a lot of us train guys to me.
First, props to Ryan and the "other dude" for presenting the product in an informative way.
But I'm stunned by the poor production values of the video from a corporation presenting an expensive product to its customer base. By comparison, there are many videos posted on this site by members with vastly better production quality than the LIONEL video presented above.
cjack posted:I have found that it seems better to remove product from the foam by carefully turning the foam over and lifting the foam off the device. Seems less traumatic for the small details...
Similarly, I've found it easier sometimes to nudge things out with the engine vertical, then use the packing ribbons to help nudge each end out.
(assuming the engine is packed like the GG1 with one of the sides down in the styrofoam)
-Dave
Pingman posted:First, props to Ryan and the "other dude" for presenting the product in an informative way.
But I'm stunned by the poor production values of the video from a corporation presenting an expensive product to its customer base. By comparison, there are many videos posted on this site by members with vastly better production quality than the LIONEL video presented above.
I thought that also. I did remark on the youtube page about not being able to get a good look at the locos due to the blue shirts those guys were wearing. They should have place a white background just behind the track. Also, the camera should have been much closer to the locomotives. We really did not need to see these two guys through the entire show.
Wow, this is a nice Introduction to Our VisionLine GG1 Diesel Electric Locomotive. The Colors Looked Crisp and Sharp, the attention to detail really impressed me. I have the Tuscan 5 stripe version on order.....Although it was not pictured in this video, the Green 5 Stripe Looked really Good. For the record, the packaging looked really substantial and hopefully will protect these DieCast engines safe in shipping. I agree that the JLC GG1's are super nice, great runners, great smokers, and 5.0 great crew talk and tower com....But, I really like all of the Newer VisionLine Engines and cars and feel that this will be The Best of the Best...Thank You Lionel, let's see more in the Future....Merry Christmas....
Welcome.
The idea of the video was very nice. The tutorial aspects were very informative. The choice to do it in a campy cheesy manner was a bit of a turn off considering this is a product that caters to adults.
Was on the fence about this item, but after seeing the video, it just isn't for me. It's certainly a nice rendition of the GG1, but I'm not into "gimmicky." Moreover, I was further convinced because I don't have a catenary system and think this thing would look odd and out-of-place without one. Especially with the gimmicky sparking feature drawing extra attention to this particular disconnect between engine and layout.
Peter
Peter, I whole heartedly agree with you on running an electric locomotive under an imaginary catenary system. I just can't get my head wrapped around it. There are lots of model railroad hobbyists that do run electrics without a catenary and I applaud them for being able to think abstractly.
The video was a bit cheesy to me too, but at least Lionel put out a product video. I am sure they are both good guys. Even though I don't know either of them I am confident that neither can take Mike Reagan's place. I wish them both well as they have a herculean task.
Oh and the engine was nice I guess. I am not sure it offered enough features (certainly nothing innovative) to elevate it into the Vision Line product line, despite the engineer's exuberant introduction.
PJB posted:It's certainly a nice rendition of the GG1, but I'm not into "gimmicky." Moreover, I was further convinced because I don't have a catenary system and think this thing would look odd and out-of-place without one. Especially with the gimmicky sparking feature drawing extra attention to this particular disconnect between engine and layout.
Good choice of words...
It didn't really even look that sparky - more like a strobe warning light on a schoolbus.
Certainly not a "scale" spark! 
Do actual model catenarys have a natural spark to them - like you might see from the center rail from time to time?
I enjoyed the video and I liked them having fun with it.
When I first saw the sparking effect demonstrated, it didn't appeal that much to me because the sparking seemed to be coming from the edges of the pantograph shoe. In contrast, I liked what I saw in this video where the sparking is at the center of the paragraph shoe where it normally would contact the wire. My only minor gripe is that the upper reach of the pantographs in the extended position is a bit short - for example, if you look at the GG1s in Greenwich Yard for the Army-Navy games, the pantographs were standing very tall. But overall, it looks like a very impressive model to me including the fact that they did the right body for "Rivets."
Nice video. I was at work today and couldn't watch it with sound until tonight. Based on some of the comments here I didn't know what to expect... I think they did a nice job. The slights are unwarranted coming from some who have never put themselves out in the public domain like that. Thank you for making the effort and keep the videos coming.
Ben
I received my GG1 today and found it functioning perfectly right out of the box. This is a very detailed and well made locomotive. This is my first GG1 in my collection and I am extremely glad I waited on this one. Definitely worth the price of admission!
Here are some pics of the box and its opening. As you can see it is well packaged.
I am no Cecil B. Demille, but here is a quick video of it on my test track so you can see the sparking pantographs and its excellent sound quality.
-Pete
Pete,
Very nice model. Sounds great, and the simulated arcing looks pretty good on your model too. Also nice to hear road-specific Towercom/Crewtalk. To my ears, that just says an importer is going the extra mile to be conscientious enough to give buyers the most for their money.
Funny thing is I recall when VisionLine was first announced, the VisionLine features were supposed to trickle down to Lionel's regular product line over time. Nowadays, it seems some features (like road-specific Towercom/Crewtalk) that were once standard on the regular product line are now only available on VisionLine products. 
I guess Jerry didn't explain that philosophy well enough to Howard. 
Either that, or Howard just wants to do things his way... in this case, the wrong way. 
Enjoy your GG-1. Looks like a keeper!
David
AlanRail posted:I love the CHEESY guy
Need more videos of the mechanical engineer featuring products.
very cool tie ryan where can I get one lol
now if someone would make a decent catenary system I could die happy
BFI66 posted:I received my GG1 today and found it functioning perfectly right out of the box. This is a very detailed and well made locomotive. This is my first GG1 in my collection and I am extremely glad I waited on this one. Definitely worth the price of admission!
I am no Cecil B. Demille, but here is a quick video of it on my test track so you can see the sparking pantographs and its excellent sound quality.
-Pete
Pete, you might not be Cecile B. DeMille, but I think you definitely have a future in film making. That is a great video and it shows the item off very well!
I agree, it does seem like a very nice, quality made engine. I've always liked the design and look of the GG1. Now if only I had a catenary system...
Peter
Wow Pete, this engine is Beautiful, Fantastic, and Beyond Imagination...This is the one I have on order......It's going to look good pulling the Congressional 18 inch Lionel Aluminum cars.....Thank You for the Great Demo!!!!! Merry Christmas
(the cars came from Elliott Sher) practically new.....
Great sounds and cool sparking pantograph!
banelson posted:Nice video. I was at work today and couldn't watch it with sound until tonight. Based on some of the comments here I didn't know what to expect... I think they did a nice job. The slights are unwarranted coming from some who have never put themselves out in the public domain like that. Thank you for making the effort and keep the videos coming.
Ben
I enjoyed the video and the Lionel guys put their enthusiasm into it, and I really like the engine. Sounds are great.
I am disappointed to find such negative comments about the video and the engine.
Thanks, Larry and Merry Christmas to you too! This is one beautiful train! Don't understand the negativity of some of the posts by others who have not seen or operated it. You will be very happy with it when it arrives, especially with the sound quality!
-Pete
If your a gg1 fan this has to be neat . I don't like the video though.
cjack posted:banelson posted:Nice video. I was at work today and couldn't watch it with sound until tonight. Based on some of the comments here I didn't know what to expect... I think they did a nice job. The slights are unwarranted coming from some who have never put themselves out in the public domain like that. Thank you for making the effort and keep the videos coming.
Ben
I enjoyed the video and the Lionel guys put their enthusiasm into it, and I really like the engine. Sounds are great.
I am disappointed to find such negative comments about the video and the engine.
I generally agree - there were a few very negative comments about the Lionel vid. I believe there is a distinction, however, as I thought several others offered constructive criticism for future reference when presenting a high-end very pricey technically advanced piece of equipment. That's was I hoping to do in a small part of my post (in addition to complimenting the aspects that were great).
I posted a comment on the video earlier in this thread. As I mentioned the loco it astounding itself. The video however does not look like something a company with Lionel's history would make. It harkens back to the late sixties and early seventies, when Lionel was fighting for it's life and putting out cheese ads. Someone mentioned that most of us could not do better. Then again, most of us are not in the model train manufacturing business.
I think criticizing the video is fair.
Although - I'm not sure this was meant to be an official product profile/review video - since it is a bit crude - more like a bad video blog entry.
Audio is especially bad - not sure these guys really thought this through...chalk it up to excitement!
They should take a cue from Eric Siegel's approach - he's created a nice, repeatable format for product review that makes the train the star.
No reason not to imitate it.
BFI66 posted:I received my GG1 today and found it functioning perfectly right out of the box. This is a very detailed and well made locomotive. This is my first GG1 in my collection and I am extremely glad I waited on this one. Definitely worth the price of admission!
Here are some pics of the box and its opening. As you can see it is well packaged.
I am no Cecil B. Demille, but here is a quick video of it on my test track so you can see the sparking pantographs and its excellent sound quality.
-Pete
Nice video PETE. Enjoy your new engine!!!!
laz1957 posted:BFI66 posted:I received my GG1 today and found it functioning perfectly right out of the box. This is a very detailed and well made locomotive. This is my first GG1 in my collection and I am extremely glad I waited on this one. Definitely worth the price of admission!
Here are some pics of the box and its opening. As you can see it is well packaged.
I am no Cecil B. Demille, but here is a quick video of it on my test track so you can see the sparking pantographs and its excellent sound quality.
-Pete
Nice video PETE. Enjoy your new engine!!!!
Thanks Laz!
Yeah, makes me wish I had not taken down the wide curve layout, just wont work on my smaller one I dont think, then again, maybe.....
20centuryhudson posted:very cool tie ryan where can I get one lol
I also like the cravat more than the GG1.
Not a GG1 guy, but this looks and sounds awesome.
Not sure about the video though. Wow.
I'm thinking that the sparking effect will look especially good in dim lighting.
Looking forward to that video.
Dave
20centuryhudson posted:now if someone would make a decent catenary system I could die happy
The one Dan Padova is making here looks pretty nice to me. New Catenary
Not sure if Dan can be bribed, but you could try if you don't want to make it yourself. 
Ryan I want that Tie!
Ryan nice job.
We met when you were given a tour of the San Diego model railroad museum and the San Diego 3 Railers a few years ago.
What I would like to know is, how many people will buy this GG1 for $999.00 or whatever the going price is.
eddie g posted:What I would like to know is, how many people will buy this GG1 for $999.00 or whatever the going price is.
As many people as it takes until it's sold out.
rtr12 posted:20centuryhudson posted:now if someone would make a decent catenary system I could die happy
The one Dan Padova is making here looks pretty nice to me. New Catenary
Not sure if Dan can be bribed, but you could try if you don't want to make it yourself.
I can be bribed.
Ryan, thanks for posting the GG1 information and video.
Dan Padova posted:rtr12 posted:20centuryhudson posted:now if someone would make a decent catenary system I could die happy
The one Dan Padova is making here looks pretty nice to me. New Catenary
Not sure if Dan can be bribed, but you could try if you don't want to make it yourself.
I can be bribed.
I wasn't sure and didn't want to spread any false rumors. Maybe 20centuryhudson will be pleased and willing to offer the bribe? Your catenary does look really nice.
Thanks for posting this! Please, come on to the OGR forum often!
Congrats to everyone that bought this very cool engine!
BFI66 posted:I received my GG1 today and found it functioning perfectly right out of the box. This is a very detailed and well made locomotive. This is my first GG1 in my collection and I am extremely glad I waited on this one. Definitely worth the price of admission! ......
-Pete
VERY sharp! Looks and sounds great, Pete!
I'm getting mine on Monday. It will also be my first GG1.
I ordered a riveted green model, but ..... yours sure looks sharp. I may ask him if I can switch.
Jim
PJB posted:cjack posted:banelson posted:Nice video. I was at work today and couldn't watch it with sound until tonight. Based on some of the comments here I didn't know what to expect... I think they did a nice job. The slights are unwarranted coming from some who have never put themselves out in the public domain like that. Thank you for making the effort and keep the videos coming.
Ben
I enjoyed the video and the Lionel guys put their enthusiasm into it, and I really like the engine. Sounds are great.
I am disappointed to find such negative comments about the video and the engine.
I generally agree - there were a few very negative comments about the Lionel vid. I believe there is a distinction, however, as I thought several others offered constructive criticism for future reference when presenting a high-end very pricey technically advanced piece of equipment. That's was I hoping to do in a small part of my post (in addition to complimenting the aspects that were great).
Yes for sure, a little constructive criticism is always useful. I just think we should make these guys feel welcome. I would guess they miss Mike R a lot too. We should be supportive as they get their feet under them and not expect them to be Mike's equivalent on day 1. That said, I hope for the best and am looking forward to my GG1. I am thinking about getting a second one already and I haven't seen my first one in person as yet.
Thanks,
Ben
I am looking forward to my PC version but, at the risk of annoying those who want to hear only good things, my two cents is:
1) Sounds so similar to the six JLC GG-1's I have, the difference is minimal. Stereo does enhance the sound . . but ummmm how much?
2) Dialogue is a bit too hokey for my taste
3) Sparkling pans as silly as the depleting coal of my V Big Boy. Hope I can turn them off. Glad I am building catenary. Sparking pans under nothing but air just reminds me not to run a GG-1 under air. The GG-1 is my favorite loco. To me, it should be run under catenary to avoid a much too toylike appearance. I needed this particular paint scheme so I took out my wallet.
Welcome to the Forum Ryan.
Scrapiron Scher posted:2) Dialogue is a bit too hokey for my taste
Most of the time it is.
3) Sparkling pans as silly as the depleting coal of my V Big Boy. Hope I can turn them off.
You can using the AUX 3 Key.
Glad I am building catenary. Sparking pans under nothing but air just reminds me not to run a GG-1 under air. The GG-1 is my favorite loco. To me, it should be run under catenary to avoid a much too toylike appearance. I needed this particular paint scheme so I took out my wallet.
I don't have cantenary system. Probably never will. But I'll still have the pantographs up and sparking. Using your logic, most folks would never buy an electric engine. I only know of a few folks that have it, Marty F being one of them.
MartyE posted:Scrapiron Scher posted:2) Dialogue is a bit too hokey for my taste
Most of the time it is.
3) Sparkling pans as silly as the depleting coal of my V Big Boy. Hope I can turn them off.
You can using the AUX 3 Key.
Glad I am building catenary. Sparking pans under nothing but air just reminds me not to run a GG-1 under air. The GG-1 is my favorite loco. To me, it should be run under catenary to avoid a much too toylike appearance. I needed this particular paint scheme so I took out my wallet.
I don't have cantenary system. Probably never will. But I'll still have the pantographs up and sparking. Using your logic, most folks would never buy an electric engine. I only know of a few folks that have it, Marty F being one of them.
Actually, I had posted several days ago about the lack of catenary system making an electric "odd" - so it's not just Eliot's logic. And I don't completely agree with Eliot. A depleting coal load may seem hokey to some, but it is a typical function of any coal burning locomotive. An electric without a catenary system is totally (factually, in real life) unrealistic - more analogous to a coal burning locomotive without a tender.
MartyE - I am not a rivet counter or even close. But the thing stopping me from buying this thing, which looks really nicely done, is my lack of a cat system. Just think raised pans touching nothing will stand out as silly. I'm sure when I see this on someone else's layout I will still love this locomotive and kick myself for not buying ...
PJB posted:MartyE - I am not a rivet counter or even close. But the thing stopping me from buying this thing, which looks really nicely done, is my lack of a cat system. Just think raised pans touching nothing will stand out as silly. I'm sure when I see this on someone else's layout I will still love this locomotive and kick myself for not buying ...
I understand what he's saying but again then why buy any electric locomotive without a canterary? It will look odd for sure but sometimes I just have to use my imagination. I do understand Elliot's point of view.
MartyE posted:Scrapiron Scher posted:3) Sparkling pans as silly as the depleting coal of my V Big Boy. Hope I can turn them off.
You can using the AUX 3 Key.
Ah ha! The mystery of the AUX3 key finally uncovered!
MartyE posted:PJB posted:MartyE - I am not a rivet counter or even close. But the thing stopping me from buying this thing, which looks really nicely done, is my lack of a cat system. Just think raised pans touching nothing will stand out as silly. I'm sure when I see this on someone else's layout I will still love this locomotive and kick myself for not buying ...
I understand what he's saying but again then why buy any electric locomotive without a canterary? It will look odd for sure but sometimes I just have to use my imagination. I do understand Elliot's point of view.
A friend of mine says "If you ain't got a GG1, you ain't nobody!".
There is no perfect answer or Logic as to Really Why to Buy this VisionLine GG1, other than it's Going to be simply Beautiful....So the Pantographs spark, That's Neat! In person I am thinking the Twin Speaker System will sound Fantastic...And to make things Super Nice, It's Legacy!!! The Paint jobs really have been enhanced over the years.....YES, The Big Boy Depleting coal is nice, we turn that feature off.
I am anxiously waiting the Arrival of my GG1, VisionLine .....WOW!!!
MartyE posted:PJB posted:MartyE - I am not a rivet counter or even close. But the thing stopping me from buying this thing, which looks really nicely done, is my lack of a cat system. Just think raised pans touching nothing will stand out as silly. I'm sure when I see this on someone else's layout I will still love this locomotive and kick myself for not buying ...
I understand what he's saying but again then why buy any electric locomotive without a canterary? It will look odd for sure but sometimes I just have to use my imagination. I do understand Elliot's point of view.
Toy trains, it's about using your imagination all of the time.
why doesn't some manufacturer come up with an catenary system --non operating--is it that hard? I realize it would have to be adaptable to muti track, curves, switches and track spacing--additionally I guess the pantographs would need to flex a bit and as I recall the new GG1's pantographs don't flex--
Nice loco and thanks for posting the video! Very enjoyable. Keep them coming!!
Graz
20centuryhudson posted:additionally I guess the pantographs would need to flex a bit and as I recall the new GG1's pantographs don't flex--
The JLCs did not, the VL GG1s do.
I have successfully run my semi-scale GG1 under live catenary that I built for one of my layouts back in the '80s. I'm one of those with a fairly good imagination but running electrics under an imaginary catenary system is too abstract for me....LOL
I have another thread here on the build project of my new catenary system. As I make progress more information will be shared. I am toying with the idea of making it to sell on a per order basis. I see there may be some interest by some of the responses I have read in this thread and in my own thread.
MartyE kniws me well, as do many, and he knows how passionate I am about trains and, in particular, Lionel Legacy. As my wife would tell you, I freely share my opinions. MartyE is also one of the best ambassadors Lionel has and he and I discuss this ad infinitum.
The new Vision GG-1 CANNOT run under live catenary. The sparking LED's prevent this. Flexible pantographs that cannot touch a wire were put there to be flexible so Lionel does not get criticism for not having flexible pantogrqphs. That is Three Stooges logic. They're flexible fellas, just don't use them. WTF?
My catenary certainly will look very realistic but the pans will not actually touch the wire.
My imagination comes into play when I envision myself running a very realistic railroad albeit three rail. My father used to put me into the cabs of the real GG-1's in Penn Station so I love the idea my GG-1's are not toys even if they are. Confused logic to be certain.
I have seventeen scale GG-1's so I guess that makes me a GG-1 nut. I am a nut anyway so if I imagine my GG-1's are real, that's OK.
I just wish there was more value to this loco than stereo sound and sparklers. What could they have added for more realism? A scale Congressional set as good as GGD !!
Scrappy
For some reason electrics have never appealed to me, but if I was to get one, this would be it.
I'm glad to hear folks are reporting these engines are as expected and I hope those of you who purchased them, enjoy them!
-Greg
Has anyone seen the Amtrak version? Would love some pics.
....... My imagination comes into play when I envision myself running a very realistic railroad albeit three rail. My father used to put me into the cabs of the real GG-1's in Penn Station so I love the idea my GG-1's are not toys even if they are. Confused logic to be certain. .....
Scrappy
Scrappy ...... What did Dad do on the railroad?
Matt
cjack posted:A friend of mine says "If you ain't got a GG1, you ain't nobody!".
Oh dear, I guess that puts me in that category. However, I do have lots of friends in low places!
Some of these things may be kind of 'hokey', but I still kinda like most of the little added features like that. I think it's good that the manufacturers add these things and I certainly wouldn't want to see them stop adding them.
Never been a fan of the GG1's and I do not know much about them. But I do have a question.
What are they "topping off" in the cab chatter? Window washing fluid?
SantaFeJim posted:Never been a fan of the GG1's and I do not know much about them. But I do have a question.
What are they "topping off" in the cab chatter? Window washing fluid?
Steam generator was diesel.
TrainingDave posted:SantaFeJim posted:Never been a fan of the GG1's and I do not know much about them. But I do have a question.
What are they "topping off" in the cab chatter? Window washing fluid?
Steam generator was diesel.
Thank You,
Wait, the Vision Line GG1s will not run under catenary ? Over a thousand dollars for a model train that is supposed to be as real as it gets and the very thing that this locomotive was meant for is a non-starter !
I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but I think we've been had.
Need some clarification:
Does the loco have the ability to run under unpowered catenary? with the pantographs (spring loaded I assume) maintaining contact with the underside of the wire?
graz posted:Need some clarification:
Does the loco have the ability to run under unpowered catenary? with the pantographs (spring loaded I assume) maintaining contact with the underside of the wire?
Yes, the panto shoes are plastic. Whether the catenary is powered or unpowered shouldn't make a difference.
im just kidding some now but I never met an electric engine that had a smoke unit but
am sure they have a steam generator that gives off steam hence the smoke effect!
I know we are all used to saying smoke unit. the video was okay am sure as time marches forward they will develop a style and feel more at ease.
viewing the video on an ipad the sound volume maxed out the voices were really weak am guessing either ipad issue or they did not use microphones attached to there shirt.
Very beautiful model. Always loved the GG1 
Lionel, how about 2 rail? 
PJB posted:It's certainly a nice rendition of the GG1, but I'm not into "gimmicky." Moreover, I was further convinced because I don't have a catenary system and think this thing would look odd and out-of-place without one. Especially with the gimmicky sparking feature drawing extra attention to this particular disconnect between engine and layout.
Peter
My thought exactly. Those flashing led lights are going to look kind of silly without a catenary system above them. As to the rest of the engine, I don't see it as much of a step-up from the scale GG-1s Lionel has already done. How much can you do with a GG-1?
The production looked a little like Abbott and Costello doing a Monty Python spoof. I've replayed the opening several times where they appear from behind the table and commence the show, just to study the goof factor.
It could be titled "Lionel does 'And Now For Something Completely Different'," because it certainly was. From that perspective, it was something to behold.
MTH has automatic smoke production for both boiler start up ( a short puff ) and boiler release for about 5 seconds. It has remained that way since at least the late PS2 days. That's why a smoke unit going full throttle for 30 seconds seems a bit overdone to me. That's my sour grapes story and I'm sticking to it!
Seriously, I need an example of Old Rivets. Please Santa! I've been good!
Bruce
You guys that are harping on the video production quality should give it a rest already. They were having some fun and hamming it up a bit! Considering that there was still a great deal of info delivered, I take my hat off to them. Everyone seems to think it's easy until the camera is pointed at them, then we see how fast they forget their only line!
The loco looks good. As far as the flashing spark - That is part of the corner that Lionel has painted themselves into with the Vision Line. The need to incorporate small "above and beyond" details that can still be achieved in a reasonable production cycle. Realistically, there's only so much that can be done. I'm assuming that we'll see an animated Engineer's arm waving sometime in the next year or so.
graz posted:You guys that are harping on the video production quality should give it a rest already. They were having some fun and hamming it up a bit! Considering that there was still a great deal of info delivered, I take my hat off to them. Everyone seems to think it's easy until the camera is pointed at them, then we see how fast they forget their only line!
The loco looks good. As far as the flashing spark - That is part of the corner that Lionel has painted themselves into with the Vision Line. The need to incorporate small "above and beyond" details that can still be achieved in a reasonable production cycle. Realistically, there's only so much that can be done. I'm assuming that we'll see an animated Engineer's arm waving sometime in the next year or so.
That's precisely why they should have kept themselves out of the cameras eye. A voice over would have been much more effective.
We're going to beat this topic to death if it kills us.....LOL
SantaFeJim posted:TrainingDave posted:SantaFeJim posted:Never been a fan of the GG1's and I do not know much about them. But I do have a question.
What are they "topping off" in the cab chatter? Window washing fluid?
Steam generator was diesel.
Thank You,
Actually, I believe the GG1's that had Steam Generators, had Boilers to produce the steam not diesel. Sorry to be so anal about that. The original diesels used in Passenger service had Boilers for steam generation. Diesel HEP, came about in the late 1950's and took complete hold during he early Amtrak era.
A question for those of youwho have one. If all one has is a Cab-1L, and Base-1L, can you:
1) Control the steam (smoke) cycle?
2) turn the arcing pantograph effect off?
3) Get the same quasi doppler dual tone effect on the horn?
Thanks in advance
GREENRAIL posted:SantaFeJim posted:TrainingDave posted:SantaFeJim posted:Never been a fan of the GG1's and I do not know much about them. But I do have a question.
What are they "topping off" in the cab chatter? Window washing fluid?
Steam generator was diesel.
Thank You,
Actually, I believe the GG1's that had Steam Generators, had Boilers to produce the steam not diesel. Sorry to be so anal about that. The original diesels used in Passenger service had Boilers for steam generation. Diesel HEP, came about in the late 1950's and took complete hold during he early Amtrak era.
Not exactly GREENRAIL. The "boilers", i.e. steam generators were indeed fueled/fired by diesel fuel. The GG1s had to have boiler water supply tanks PLUS diesel fuel tanks.
Ryan will do great things. Please give him some breathing room. I am heading over to Charlies in the morning. I am looking forward to seeing the new engine. I am a huge G fan.
It doesn't look like the extended pantographs will fit through the new truss bridge. The bridge only clears about 5 1/2 inches in the center from the top of the rail and the extended pant is about 5 3/4. I kind of wondered why the bridge didn't have more clearance when I got it. Mike said it would clear everything they had...kind of why I bought it.
cjack posted:It doesn't look like the extended pantographs will fit through the new truss bridge. The bridge only clears about 5 1/2 inches in the center from the top of the rail and the extended pant is about 5 3/4. I kind of wondered why the bridge didn't have more clearance when I got it. Mike said it would clear everything they had...kind of why I bought it.
Trainworldtv video when Lionel visited. Mike demos the bridge, clearance question comes up about 12:30.
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