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Originally Posted by Chris Lonero:

Is this something that is going to be produced? The last steam engine MTH was going to do for Disney never happened. 

True in a way but it is not that hard to convert one of the so called President series or the Great American Circus 19th cent. 4-6-0s. The hard work has already been done and except for the logos even the paint on the headlamp housing is accurate to the Disney engine. The mold is based on this Disney engine. So with a little work an accurate engine can be done.

 

MTH has done nearly everything they can short of  getting the license to make it easy to have one of these.

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Here's the loco (same Leviathan that didn't have any hardware changes in the first image), but now with a balloon stack from an MTH Railking 4-6-0. A Premier-worthy riveted balloon stack is probably in order, but even this is a nice improvement. I know MTH makes the proper spoked tender wheels for other 4-4-0s, but I don't have the strength today.

 

 

 

Keep in mind there's a distinction between the Carolwood trains and the park trains, along the lines of the distinction between The Walt Disney Family Foundation and The Walt Disney Company. Still beautifully intertwined, but not exactly the same thing -- for licensing and such.

 

 

 

Todd

 

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If you're going to model the Carolwood Pacific Railroad, you need a track plan. Here's an attempt using MTH RealTrax. It's 13'x15', which it needs to be to incorporate the last large piece of Walt's real track that still exists -- the 45 degree crossover. All the lines and switches from the real miniature railroad are represented. The track loop around the house is certainly truncated to save space. Walt's barn is to the scale of the miniature railroad. The house is scaled as though surrounded by a full-sized railroad.  I would imagine scaling down the barn and putting a mountain, town, rail yard or alternate access area where the house is. Nice that the minimum curves are 054, but still a rather large layout despite all the compromises to save space. The labels for the various features and switches are the same as those used on the control panel in Walt's Barn (now in Griffith Park, Los Angeles). The Yensid Valley section (Disney spelled backwards) might make a good place for a big access area. Designed in RR-Track v5.1

 

Todd

 

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Originally Posted by Silver Lake:
Originally Posted by Chris Lonero:

Is this something that is going to be produced? The last steam engine MTH was going to do for Disney never happened. 

True in a way but it is not that hard to convert one of the so called President series or the Great American Circus 19th cent. 4-6-0s. The hard work has already been done and except for the logos even the paint on the headlamp housing is accurate to the Disney engine. The mold is based on this Disney engine. So with a little work an accurate engine can be done.

 

MTH has done nearly everything they can short of  getting the license to make it easy to have one of these.

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That is probably where these guys came from with the inspiration from the Disney World #1

Here's another attempt at a Carolwood Pacific layout design, this time with 031 minimum curves squeezed onto an 8'x10' layout with MTH RealTrax. Still managed to get the 45 degree crossover in there. All the lines and switches of the real miniature railroad are also in there, despite the compact design. Made with RR-Track v5.1

 

Todd

 

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John, Andy, Notch 6 -- Thanks for the kind words about the loco and layouts. The track plan is a fun design with some good operational potential.

 

Silver Lake and Tim -- Yes, quite disappointed no one has yet produced any of the park locos in O. But 95% of one is a good start.

 

P51 -- I know you're not altogether serious, but imagine how tall the tunnels and trestles would have to be for scale riders!

 

Keep the posts and pics about the Carolwood Pacific and the park trains coming! Has anyone else designed a layout for the CP or park trains?

 

Todd

 

 

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Here's another version of the Carolwood Pacific, this time with 042 minimum curves squeezed onto an 9'x10' layout with MTH RealTrax. Still has the 45 degree crossover. All the lines and switches of the real miniature railroad are also in there, despite the compact design. Made with RR-Track v5.1

 

Todd

 

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Great subject and good collection of posts.

 

Would make a great small room layout the track designs posted.

 

Trainworld has some of the MTH engines on sale like this that could easily be modified with just adding some decals.

They also have a sale on this week.

 

However if one was to model the Carolwood Pacific in O scale 1/48 would you not be better off using an N scale train and have people riding on the cars? This would fit well into even a display layout for shows.

 

If you are modeling the engines at the Disney parks then perhaps the Bachmann ON30 engines might fit a bit closer to the size.

 

I really like the MTH engine but it is a bit over scale for the park trains.

Thanks for posting an interesting topic. I found some cool info searching around.

 

The best that I can find is that his live steamer was 1/8 scale with 2617' feet of track.

 

His lot was 5 acres irregular shaped. I was trying to determine what size table that would be to scale it to O, but no plot plans with dimensions were available. it appears to me that a 15' x 20' would keep the shape close.

 

Your compressions are good. here's a nice recreation of the plan on the original lot over the current 2.63 acre lot with an $18 million mansion.

 

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Here's a better version of the Carolwood Pacific with 042 minimum curves squeezed onto a 9'x10' layout with MTH RealTrax. At least I think it looks better. The siding is longer and the track is a little further from the edge of the table all around. Still has the 45 degree crossover. All the lines and switches of the real miniature railroad are also in there, despite the compact design. Made with RR-Track v5.1

 

Todd

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I have the Carolwood Pacific caboose that Lowell Smith offered a couple years ago. They still have some in stock on their website. Pretty accurate and looks great at the end of my steam era consist. Would love to see some more equipment done. The stock car, box car, and gondola would all be pretty easy to do with either MTH or Atlas tooling.

SDIV Tim posted:

If they make the C.K Holiday and the Ward Kimball with Passenger Cars, i I'll buy it. Nice "artist rendering" but I don't think anyone has a licesene from Disney.

Bachmann must at one time had or possibly still has a license with Disney for this locomotive since I have a Carolwood Pacific Railroad Lilly Belle HO set made by Bachmann; but it'd be a no-brainer trading up to an O gauge version.

Here is a link to someone's video of this HO set with closeups of the loco and cars running starting at 1:13 minutes into the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihwV2U8CO3I

 

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Some time ago I was reading Michael Broggie's research on Walt Disney's O gauge layout. The layout was in Disney's office at the studio and predated the Carolwood Pacific he would build in his backyard. Recently took a stab at recreating it in RR-Track software, using track by Ross. Came out pretty ok, for working off a single photo.

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