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A good man.
Looks like he's lip-syncing to me. I heard he has a heck of an "outdoor" layout.
I wonder if he ever gets a ride along?
I can't wait till he posts some stuff on the Buy/Sell board.
Rick
I wonder if he ever gets a ride along?
I can't wait till he posts some stuff on the Buy/Sell board.
Rick
LOLquote:I can't wait till he posts some stuff on the Buy/Sell board.
And the BNSF is about to be the RR of choice to transport the oil from Canada with the cancellation of the Keyston pipeline.
The pipeline was canceled over "environmental concerns" some people fear a pipeline rupture.
So he has been workin' on the railroad!
Sure hope there is never a train derailment while transporting oil!
The pipeline was canceled over "environmental concerns" some people fear a pipeline rupture.
So he has been workin' on the railroad!
Sure hope there is never a train derailment while transporting oil!
quote:Originally posted by InsideTrack:
And the BNSF is about to be the RR of choice to transport the oil from Canada with the cancellation of the Keyston pipeline.
Its not so much what you know. Its who you know. Helping enviromentalist also helps out a well heeled donor. What you'd call a powerful twofer.
Yep, I don't mind. 16 bucks a barrel by BNSF, 5 by pipeline.
That secretary of his should take some of her six figure salary and buy
some BNSF stock.
Ed Mullan
That secretary of his should take some of her six figure salary and buy
some BNSF stock.
Ed Mullan
quote:Yep, I don't mind. 16 bucks a barrel by BNSF, 5 by pipeline.
Maybe we can get MTH to make a BNSF Money Car pulled by a Gravy Train!
And maybe we can do even better than that.
And get the pipeline built.
Despite Buffett's playing with model railroading I was never that crazy about this much power being concentrated in his hands. And this confirms it.
And get the pipeline built.
Despite Buffett's playing with model railroading I was never that crazy about this much power being concentrated in his hands. And this confirms it.
The FACTS:
The pipeline advocates tried to rush the project through even before all the routes were considered. They knew up front there would have to be adequate time - more than just two-months - for the studies and public input.
Hence the veto by the President.
The pipeline advocates tried to rush the project through even before all the routes were considered. They knew up front there would have to be adequate time - more than just two-months - for the studies and public input.
Hence the veto by the President.
History has shown that we should never depend on the oil industry and large energy companies to safeguard our environment (and yes, there are legitimate concerns), especially if it cuts into their profits). Actually, this topic is a bit off model railroading.
paul m.
paul m.
quote:Originally posted by paul m.:
History has shown that we should never depend on the oil industry and large energy companies to safeguard our environment (and yes, there are legitimate concerns), especially if it cuts into their profits). Actually, this topic is a bit off model railroading.
paul m.
More than enough safe guards are in place. We needed the oil sooner rather than later. But I'm ok with it working out this way. I'll just buy more oil stocks.
quote:Originally posted by EJN:quote:Originally posted by paul m.:
History has shown that we should never depend on the oil industry and large energy companies to safeguard our environment (and yes, there are legitimate concerns), especially if it cuts into their profits). Actually, this topic is a bit off model railroading.
paul m.
More than enough safe guards are in place. We needed the oil sooner rather than later. But I'm ok with it working out this way. I'll just buy more oil stocks.
I'll buy Berkshire Hathaway (Class B)
Exxon has been good to me over the years. That's why I usually buy gas there. It's kinda like paying myself.quote:I'll just buy more oil stocks.
Anyway, I'm a fan of railroad oil tank cars and like the K-Line classics w/ die cast chassis. I wonder if Buffett has any; on the whole I would lot rather have seen him come to K-L's rescue than BNSF's.
Btw, I think I'll skip on buying Berkshire. It's cheap now but it's rather diluted as the company is worth the same as before the split.
quote:The FACTS:
The pipeline advocates tried to rush the project through even before all the routes were considered. They knew up front there would have to be adequate time - more than just two-months - for the studies and public input.
Fact??
It was proposed in 2007 (Different president).
Initial construction began in 2008 (Same different president)
Oh, and it's not the first pipeline to be built!
And! Now the oil will be shipped on the sea. Guess where the insurance companies using their factual actuarial tables say the most oil gets spilled?
The plans for the pipeline were not pulled out of a hat a few months ago.
Facts are stubborn things.
causa latet, vis est notissima
quote:The plans for the pipeline were not pulled out of a hat a few months ago.
That is correct. Several years of studies went into the proposed project.
Of course they weren't. Everyone knows that.quote:The plans for the pipeline were not pulled out of a hat a few months ago.
But just think. If it were today, the Trans-Alaska Pipeline would not be built. That's another fact. Nor would the Panama Canal. And no Moon Walk either. And no interstate highway system nor transcontinental railroads (and not "intercontinental" railroads as someone in high places called them recently), nor a whole lot of other things.
It's time for us to be great again and I'm looking forward to it.
quote:Originally posted by EJN:
More than enough safe guards are in place. We needed the oil sooner rather than later. But I'm ok with it working out this way. I'll just buy more oil stocks.
Might as well. The poles will soon be history anyway, and there's nothing we can do about it. And there will follow a truly ugly stream of events.
quote:Originally posted by Ginsaw:
Despite Buffett's playing with model railroading I was never that crazy about this much power being concentrated in his hands.
At least he's a level-headed guy, with decent human instincts and a sense of humor. I'd be more worried about some of the many other billionaires in this county; there are quite a number who are wacked-out political ideaogues.
Yes, that's true. And probably the worst of the worst is Soros.quote:At least he's a level-headed guy, with decent human instincts and a sense of humor. I'd be more worried about some of the many other billionaires in this county; there are quite a number who are wacked-out political ideaogues.
But I have no problem with billionaries as such. Like the guy in Fiddler On The Roof said, if wealth be a curse, "may God strike me down with it!!"
Why is this becoming a political discussion about pipelines? Why is the political crap invading so many threads lately?
Jeff C
Jeff C
Oil doesn't have a nationality. It's a commodity.
quote:Originally posted by leikec:
Why is this becoming a political discussion about pipelines? Why is the political crap invading so many threads lately?
Jeff C
Because "political crap" and the direction this country is headed affects everything that made this country great.
quote:Ok I'm going to step in it. Jobs, Jobs Jobs. who cares who owns it. We need more pipelines, more drilling, more investment here in the good old USA
All pipelines leak. This one would be buried four feet underground. Several hundred permanent jobs and about 5,000 temporary construction jobs. Are the jobs worth the risk of polluting the nearby aquifers? Maybe yes, maybe no - but something that needs to be discussed.
I'm most definately not talking about the quote above, but, overall, the thing that I find most troubling is that we (collectively) seem to lack the ability to discuss topics without politicizing them. Civil discourse is what changes minds, not insulting one side or the other.
Jim
edit only to add second paragraph.
quote:Because "political crap" and the direction this country is headed affects everything that made this country great.
And there are probably a thousand forums on the internet where you can fight the good fight, Bob...but this IMO forum should be about model trains.
Jeff C
quote:Originally posted by jd-train:quote:Ok I'm going to step in it. Jobs, Jobs Jobs. who cares who owns it. We need more pipelines, more drilling, more investment here in the good old USA
All pipelines leak. This one would be buried four feet underground. Several hundred permanent jobs and about 5,000 temporary construction jobs. Are the jobs worth the risk of polluting the nearby aquifers? Maybe yes, maybe no - but something that needs to be discussed.
I'm most definately not talking about the quote above, but, overall, the thing that I find most troubling is that we (collectively) seem to lack the ability to discuss topics without politicizing them. Civil discourse is what changes minds, not insulting one side or the other.
Jim
edit only to add second paragraph.
Do you know how many tens of thousands of pipelines exist right now in this country??? All the jobs building it, all the jobs maintaining it. All the jobs at the refineries, refining it.
Canada's economy is booming right now, their dollar is worth more than ours. Why, they can develop their natural resources and we can't. We have to rely on countries that hate us and want to harm us.
As for Buffet, he will make millions hauling oil more dangerously(than a pipelline I might ad) via BNSF. Lets hope no derailments.
Maybe we could build a 3-rail O-gauge line from the Canadian border to the Texas refinery to haul the oil?
Gary,
Yes I am quite aware of all of the other pipelines in this country. Many of these pipelines deliver products other than oil. I am also well aware of the pipeline maintenance and construction jobs the Keystone project would be expect to generate and have noted them in my earlier post. My post was not meant to convey that pipelines are not worthwhile. We would, however, be foolish to look at just the benefits and not the potential costs of such large projects.
We haven't discussed the pros and cons of Buffet hauling oil from Canada to Texas, quite frankly from an economic view, I would be suprised to see this happen.
Jim
p.s. InsideTrack, in this case most of the money would also leave the U.S. as TransCanada is a Canadian company.
Yes I am quite aware of all of the other pipelines in this country. Many of these pipelines deliver products other than oil. I am also well aware of the pipeline maintenance and construction jobs the Keystone project would be expect to generate and have noted them in my earlier post. My post was not meant to convey that pipelines are not worthwhile. We would, however, be foolish to look at just the benefits and not the potential costs of such large projects.
We haven't discussed the pros and cons of Buffet hauling oil from Canada to Texas, quite frankly from an economic view, I would be suprised to see this happen.
Jim
p.s. InsideTrack, in this case most of the money would also leave the U.S. as TransCanada is a Canadian company.
quote:Originally posted by jd-train:
Gary,
Yes I am quite aware of all of the other pipelines in this country. Many of these pipelines deliver products other than oil. I am also well aware of the pipeline maintenance and construction jobs the Keystone project would be expect to generate and have noted them in my earlier post. My post was not meant to convey that pipelines are not worthwhile. We would, however, be foolish to look at just the benefits and not the potential costs of such large projects.
We haven't discussed the pros and cons of Buffet hauling oil from Canada to Texas, quite frankly from an economic view, I would be suprised to see this happen.
Jim
p.s. InsideTrack, in this case most of the money would also leave the U.S. as TransCanada is a Canadian company.
The Canadian PM has said that the oil will be tankered to China.
quote:Originally posted by techie:
The Canadian PM has said that the oil will be tankered to China.
That may not happen either, as the pipeline would have to cross the land of 43 Indian tribes and none of them has yet come out in support of this trans Canadian pipeline alternative.
One thing to take away from this discussion is that such projects are never easy and need to be carefully considered.
Jim
The opposition to Keystone has not been built around economics nor risks of spills however slight. Just a moderate amount of internet research on neutral sites shows the opposition is built around "clean energy future and international leadership on climate change".
The first is codespeak for no fossil fuels allowed period. The second is what "they" for reasons best known to themselves have re-named so-called human induced global warming - I suspect probably worries about "Climate Gate" and recent years of "inconvenient data" hastened that name change.
One of these is not necessary because modern energy usage has already been cleaned squeaky clean decades ago and the other one does not exist.
What a way to run what used to be the greatest nation state in the history of civilization.
In other words, it's not at all about jobs or foreign ownership or underground aquifers or Indian reservations or Eminent Domain or spills or who gets to burn the oil or if Buffett's railroad gets to haul any of it or where the money goes or stays. It's not about any of that.
It's all about the hubris and swollen false pride of radical ideology and how to impose as much of it as fast as possible and as hard as possible.
Btw, I've given some thought to whether I'd want this pipeline crossing my acreage and have arrived at a conclusion. If they did a neat job and paid me nicely for it on a continuing basis or a reasonable lump sum, I have no problem with it at all. I could use the money.
The first is codespeak for no fossil fuels allowed period. The second is what "they" for reasons best known to themselves have re-named so-called human induced global warming - I suspect probably worries about "Climate Gate" and recent years of "inconvenient data" hastened that name change.
One of these is not necessary because modern energy usage has already been cleaned squeaky clean decades ago and the other one does not exist.
What a way to run what used to be the greatest nation state in the history of civilization.
In other words, it's not at all about jobs or foreign ownership or underground aquifers or Indian reservations or Eminent Domain or spills or who gets to burn the oil or if Buffett's railroad gets to haul any of it or where the money goes or stays. It's not about any of that.
It's all about the hubris and swollen false pride of radical ideology and how to impose as much of it as fast as possible and as hard as possible.
Btw, I've given some thought to whether I'd want this pipeline crossing my acreage and have arrived at a conclusion. If they did a neat job and paid me nicely for it on a continuing basis or a reasonable lump sum, I have no problem with it at all. I could use the money.
Should there be a politics forum on the OGR board? Looks like there happens to be a lot of amateur political economists here who who might enjoy such an option...
Ben
Ben
quote:Should there be a politics forum on the OGR board? Looks like there happens to be a lot of amateur political economists here who who might enjoy such an option..
Ben, sounds like you have a job.....lucky you. Try being out of job for awhile and see how you sound about politics.
TEX
Steve
quote:Originally posted by TexSpecial:quote:Should there be a politics forum on the OGR board? Looks like there happens to be a lot of amateur political economists here who who might enjoy such an option..
Ben, sounds like you have a job.....lucky you. Try being out of job for awhile and see how you sound about politics.
TEX
Steve
Steve:
I may or may not agree with you in terms of politics, I have no idea... I just don't think a model train bulletin board is the appropriate forum for political discussion, regardless of my job status. That doesn't mean people here shouldn't have empathy. They sure should...
But the OGR board won't fix your political problems and probably not your job situation (unless you open up a cool new train shop). It MIGHT, however, be able to fix a broken engine or lead you to a cool new product. So I say stick to useful discussion on topics relevant to O gauge and save the political discussion for a political forum.
Others may disagree, that's just my view.
Ben
quote:Originally posted by Ginsaw:
Yes, that's true. And probably the worst of the worst is Soros.
I know at least one nut job who thinks so.
Hi Guys, I know that the international nature of our hobby tends to have supply type topics gravitate to the political issues of our world, but come on. If we can't agree on the Lionel verses MTH question what makes any of us think we are going to come up with a political consensus on anything? 
I think we should all stick to the one topic we all know and love and can agree on most of the times and that's toy trains.
Besides, we all know that I have all the answers to everything in life and I'm not talking!
I think we should all stick to the one topic we all know and love and can agree on most of the times and that's toy trains.
Besides, we all know that I have all the answers to everything in life and I'm not talking!
We don't need to have a concensus, we need to do our homework and VOTE!
Ed Mullan.
Ed Mullan.
