Wasatch Model Company O Scale Union Pacific Passenger Cars

Hill's Hobbies had an entire set available at the last Chicago show.  They were all painted.  I think it was $12K for 8 cars.  I think there was another entire set at that show that was about $15K for 12 cars.  I don't recall either set selling.

To contact the Hill's go to the March Meet website and contact Melissa.  It was her father's set, if it is still available.

An alternative for the serious DIYer would be to get the Kemtron brass kit cars from DesPlaines hobbies.  Mike Mangini had a finished set of Kemtron cars at O Scale West last year that I think he had available for sale.  There were also several Kemtron cars in various states of completion in Lou Cross's estate and I think several didn't sell if you want to contact Jay Criswell.

How close they would come to the Wasatch cars would depend on how much effort you put into them and believe me it would be a LOT of work. You're on your own on the underframes.

Does anyone know where to get the diagrams for these cars? Help would be greatly appreciated!

Stephen

nw2124 posted:

Does anyone know where to get the diagrams for these cars? Help would be greatly appreciated!

Stephen

That is a Roger Lewis, and only a Roger Lewis, question.

Erik: Thanks for the information.

I really did not want to pay for a book for one diagram.

The Pullman Library books are great but I did not buy that edition.

Thanks again,

Stephen

My $0.02. 

The Randall books are good for window layouts and other similar basics but beyond that are rather useless.  They leave off more details than they provide.

Roger did all the research and drawings for the Wasatch cars.  Mike Mangini collected many engineering drawings for many passenger cars when he ran a railroad museum and may or may not make them available - for a fee.

I sure do enjoy mine. 

Erik: Great idea, the HO Walthers' cars.  I will be buying the HO UP dome/coach and use the correct Delta AC&F seats to do the interior of the Wasatch car.

Best Regards,

Stephen

Roger,

Was there an ACF 48 seat dining car (4800 series) produced in your 1990's run?

It would be great to see the missing "Pacific" series 10-6 produced someday.  I would buy two!!

Thanks.

Hubert

Hu posted:

Roger,

Was there an ACF 48 seat dining car (4800 series) produced in your 1990's run?

It would be great to see the missing "Pacific" series 10-6 produced someday.  I would buy two!!

Thanks.

Hubert

 

 

 

I'd probably buy 4 Pacifics, 2 yellow and 2 TTG.  Now all we need is to come up with the other 294 or so needed to meet the minimum.  Actually, the same is true for me for the PS American 6-6-4s.

Erik C Lindgren posted:

Eric ,  where did you find that?  Thanks 

rdunniii posted:

Hu posted:

Roger,

Was there an ACF 48 seat dining car (4800 series) produced in your 1990's run?

It would be great to see the missing "Pacific" series 10-6 produced someday.  I would buy two!!

Thanks.

Hubert

The 4800 Diner was planed, never produced    

 

 

I'd probably buy 4 Pacifics, 2 yellow and 2 TTG.  Now all we need is to come up with the other 294 or so needed to meet the minimum.  Actually, the same is true for me for the PS American 6-6-4s.

rdunniii posted:

Hu posted:

Roger,

Was there an ACF 48 seat dining car (4800 series) produced in your 1990's run?

It would be great to see the missing "Pacific" series 10-6 produced someday.  I would buy two!!

Thanks.

Hubert

 

 

 

I'd probably buy 4 Pacifics, 2 yellow and 2 TTG.  Now all we need is to come up with the other 294 or so needed to meet the minimum.  Actually, the same is true for me for the PS American 6-6-4s.

I wish there was a way to produce the rest of the cars, but there just isn't enough buyers left today.  They would have been produced in1994 if the world hadn't collapsed around me.  

Understood.  Thank you for the information.

Hu

Erik C Lindgren posted:

No interiors from Korea but a good friend has just worked on his Cafe Lounge interior. See attached

Erik.  What is the source of the interior parts.  Thanks.  

Roger 

splitwindow posted:

rdunniii posted:

Hu posted:

Roger,

Was there an ACF 48 seat dining car (4800 series) produced in your 1990's run?

It would be great to see the missing "Pacific" series 10-6 produced someday.  I would buy two!!

Thanks.

Hubert

 

 

 

I'd probably buy 4 Pacifics, 2 yellow and 2 TTG.  Now all we need is to come up with the other 294 or so needed to meet the minimum.  Actually, the same is true for me for the PS American 6-6-4s.

I wish there was a way to produce the rest of the cars, but there just isn't enough buyers left today.  They would have been produced in1994 if the world hadn't collapsed around me.  

Hmmm,

I think I'll work on that.  Are the designs doable?

Hey Captain, those are implemented by Jefferson and he used a variety mostly Kiel Line parts and some PSC chairs. Also some of Jefferson's magic touch

nw2124 posted:

Erik: Great idea, the HO Walthers' cars.  I will be buying the HO UP dome/coach and use the correct Delta AC&F seats to do the interior of the Wasatch car.

Best Regards,

Stephen

Well, you can of course do as you wish -- one reason this is such a great hobby -- but I would never assume the interior of a model is correct, whether the model cost $70 or $700.  Here are some 0 scale examples from my personal experience that readily come to mind:

A.  The builder did a run of cars, in three different paint schemes.  The scheme with the smallest run reflected an upgraded car which had a different interior;  the builder knew that, but used the same interior for all three for cost reasons.

B.  The builder copied HO cars from another builder, right down to car numbers, etc.  Apparently the HO builder just got it wrong -- perhaps from looking at preserved cars rather than what they looked like 'back in the day'.....

C.  The builder outfitted the attendant's compartment as a standard sleeping compartment.  Considering how available this info was, and the price of the car, no good excuse.

D.  The builder used the existing interior for a car with a similar bodyshell in a car with a 80% different interior.

In short:  Don't trust, just verify.

SZ

PS  In my experience a good source of car interior plans are the Carbuilder's Cyc's;  unfortunately my oldest one predates your dome car by about two years.  I can't remember if Railway Age still published car layouts, etc, in the '50's or not -- I no longer have my RA bound volumes.... .  You could try an inter-library loan for a Cyc.

PPS  I am using builder above in the sense of whose name is on the box.

rdunniii posted:

splitwindow posted:

rdunniii posted:

Hu posted:

Roger,

Was there an ACF 48 seat dining car (4800 series) produced in your 1990's run?

It would be great to see the missing "Pacific" series 10-6 produced someday.  I would buy two!!

Thanks.

Hubert

 

 

 

I'd probably buy 4 Pacifics, 2 yellow and 2 TTG.  Now all we need is to come up with the other 294 or so needed to meet the minimum.  Actually, the same is true for me for the PS American 6-6-4s.

I wish there was a way to produce the rest of the cars, but there just isn't enough buyers left today.  They would have been produced in1994 if the world hadn't collapsed around me.  

Hmmm,

I think I'll work on that.  Are the designs doable?

I need to be more clear.  Is all of the information necessary to make Solidworks, etc, CAD designs available?  The Pacifics would use the existing 41-CUDO trucks but the 6-6-4s would require 41-HR-11 trucks.

Guys, I have an (8) car O-Scale Wasatch UP set for sale, full interiors, lighted interiors, and custom painted by Bob Anson. This set is awesome and perfect! $12,000 Contact me at mhill@usg.com or call 312-927-4367 with interest.

Mike

That's some fine gear there Mike! Price is reasonable too. I don't need 8 more but I will pass this around 

Oh, how I dream of owning these....

Absolutely stunning models!

A few of these finished by Dan Pantera are on eBay. Oh the temptation.. thank the Lord I’m not into UP and have the cars I need from this project already. 

@nw2124 posted:

Does anyone know where to get the diagrams for these cars? Help would be greatly appreciated!

Stephen

Barry (one of Roger’s “factory painters”) used the paper folded Kiel Line now available at Scale City Designs diaphragms and in the box should be the striker plates. Pecos River Brass did the most elaborate working diaphragms only thing close to those are the Coach Yard attempts in HO. I like the FAM/Lionel Smithsonian PS full width diaphragms as well. See the Scale City Designs diaphragms with the anti-rattle poles they are spectacular but require building and painting for those of you out of the box guys.. 

Any Interest in the UP Budd Cars, the Pacific Sleeper, the RPO, and the Coach ?  If I can find enough interest I may be able to get them produced along with a few more sleepers.

Roger

@Erik C Lindgren posted:

I remember these. You know, Eric, this is rough on someone "in transition" such as myself. I actually saw a set of these running at a train show. Even at the "3-foot rule" you can tell the difference in the undercarriage. Can't afford them, but would love a set.

Because of the fantastic photos Erik posted years ago, it's pretty easy to see these are really quality models. When they were imported in the mid 90's it as a pretty magical time for O scale in general, with lots of fabulous models being built and imported, by many importers who are no longer with us...it's refreshing that Roger is still doing this.

But, even though there were lots of fabulous models available in the 90's and beyond, I can say with out a doubt, the Wasatch cars are the best of the best of any O scale passenger car to date.  Roger really knocked it out of the park with these cars and I can't look at the under body detail without being awed and mesmerized even after all these years.

Only in the past decade or so have a few HO importers matched this level of detail, but Roger was the 1st and his were before all the technological assisted production techniques that we have today.  They were hand built the old school way and are a true work of art.

Butch, absolutely definitely good times back then for expensive brass. I rather bit think it's a close tie for those Fine Art Models/Smithsonian NYC/PRR cars. I also have many of those and in some ways they are beyond even these incredible pieces from Roger Lewis.

Scott Mann at Golden Gate Depot is bringing us what we all wanted for some many years and an affordable alternative instead of $1300 or more a car which built today these Wasatch cars would easily be. These most recent ATSF Super Chief pre-war Pullmans are spectacular and dream realized.

Let's sing the tune to praise for what's been done for us and for those who still continue to build for us. Thank you, all of you.

Erik

@Roger Lewis posted:

Any Interest in the UP Budd Cars, the Pacific Sleeper, the RPO, and the Coach ?  If I can find enough interest I may be able to get them produced along with a few more sleepers.

Roger

And a PS 6-6-4 American series?  Probably get more interest in those than any others.  You know me, I'd be interested in several of several if they would show up in a reasonable time frame.

Interiors this time?

Edit: had 10-6 on the brain.

Well, I just thought it was time someone who was actively collecting in the 90's spoke out to recognize Roger/Wasatch for having the insight to recognize a model like this would be desirable and the dedication to make sure they were built right. Nothing like his Wasatch passenger cars ever existed prior, so he was starting off with a fresh idea and just blew the hobby away.

Gary Kohs/Fine Art Models has always brought in the finest models money could manufacture regardless if it was trains, automobiles or airplanes and I agree his NYC/PRR models look magnificent. I've never owned or touched any of them personally, so I'm unable to compare qualities first hand. But your statement of........

Let's sing the tune to praise for what's been done for us and for those who still continue to build for us. Thank you, all of you.

..............is spot on.

Butch

@Roger Lewis posted:

Any Interest in the UP Budd Cars, the Pacific Sleeper, the RPO, and the Coach ?  If I can find enough interest I may be able to get them produced along with a few more sleepers.

Roger

I'm sure we all would dive into this. A Pacific Budd would be wonderful. Ajin did a great job on those for OMI maybe 10 years ago in HO. Excellent, the Coach Yard version is nice also but that OMI is almost on the level of your O scale cars in HO.

Here is a N&W ex UP Wasatch dome I did a couple years back. I used Delta's interior part, but will note that they are cast with air bubbles. I would give them a 7 out of 10 with gaps in the castings.

Nice paint!

I am kinda in a different segment of the hobby, but I agree with Butch - these guys have imported works of art, and that includes Sunset.

@nw2124 posted:

Here is a N&W ex UP Wasatch dome I did a couple years back. I used Delta's interior part, but will note that they are cast with air bubbles. I would give them a 7 out of 10 with gaps in the castings.

That's a beautiful car Mr Rineair, great job.

@bob2 posted:

Nice paint!

I am kinda in a different segment of the hobby, but I agree with Butch - these guys have imported works of art, and that includes Sunset.

Kudos sir.

I have a Wasatch UP/Wabash dome coach that was painted UP colors but not lettered.  I now have the Shell Scale N&W lettering in red so I can letter the car Norfolk & Western.  The cars by Wasatch masterpieces just lacking interiors.  I will do a Des Plaines brass pullman kit to be painted yellow also.  As far as I know no one ever did the Wabash coach that ran in the City of St Louis. It had unusual oval windows were the restrooms were.

I will have to scratch build that as it was in UP colors and had N&W red lettering.