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Consider, if you will, these two Bing Swift Reefers:

Reefer #1

Bing_Car_Reefer_Swift

...and Reefer #2

Bing_Car_Reefer_Steel_Door_Swift

 At first glance, other than the roof color and the fact the #2 is a bit glossier than #1, there doesn't seem to be much difference.  However, notice the doors.  Reefer #1 has lithographed wood doors whereas Reefer #2 doesn't.  Indeed, the lithography for the doors on #2 gives the impression of steel doors ...and there is more.

  If we take a closer look at the doors we see the reporting marks and the numerical ID do not match the #7300 of the Swift car.

Steel_Bing_Door

so.... if we rummage through the photo files we find the following:

Bing_Pabst_Door_ID

  The doors on the Swift reefer are actually the doors for the Bing Pabst reefer sans the litho treatment for wood sided doors.  Note the MRTCO designation on the door of the Pabst reefer and the matching M.R.T.X identifier in the bottom corner of the Pabst reefer which indicates these doors belong with the Pabst reefer.  So what happened?  At this late date it is anyone's guess.  Whatever the reason, I rather like the look of the "steel" doors on the second Swift reefer it reminds me of the re-built wood reefers that were a part of everyday life on the real railroads back in the first third of the 20th Century.

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The Hornby Gods were a little kind to me so for Christmas I have some new treasures coming

An early No.00 or M1(?) loco and tender from around 1923-6 This was one of the cheapest loco's and unusually does not have the fixed key with it being a short shaft version   .. Cheap Cute and Survived

Hornby was a little confused in marketing/labelling these trains they started life as "The Hornby Clockwork Train" in 1920 then as the Model No.0 then as the cheaper set was made the Model No.00 , then copped description in some circles as the (M1) ,then with the George the Fifth versions arrived they were renamed the M-Series No.3 ( M3) and again cos we werent confused enough, Mr Hornby in 1928 allocated the M3  to an entirely different bodied edition LOL!

As part of the deal I also got a spare locomotive and three more tenders ( of differing numbers/sets, M1 M3)

This loco as you can see DOES have the fixed key clockwork movement and I think that makes the top photo locomotive a first run of the series still having the unit from the original Hornby Clockwork Train , the top locomotive is also nut and bolt construction indicating its early

 

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Fatman posted:

The Hornby Gods were a little kind to me so for Christmas I have some new treasures coming

An early No.00 or M1(?) loco and tender from around 1923-6 This was one of the cheapest loco's and unusually does not have the fixed key with it being a short shaft version   .. Cheap Cute and Survived

Hornby was a little confused in marketing/labelling these trains they started life as "The Hornby Clockwork Train" in 1920 then as the Model No.0 then as the cheaper set was made the Model No.00 , then copped description in some circles as the (M1) ,then with the George the Fifth versions arrived they were renamed the M-Series No.3 ( M3) and again cos we werent confused enough, Mr Hornby in 1928 allocated the M3  to an entirely different bodied edition LOL!

As part of the deal I also got a spare locomotive and three more tenders ( of differing numbers/sets, M1 M3)

This loco as you can see DOES have the fixed key clockwork movement and I think that makes the top photo locomotive a first run of the series still having the unit from the original Hornby Clockwork Train , the top locomotive is also nut and bolt construction indicating its early

 

Fatman, where to start. Well, the loco in the top picture is an M1, the M3 was a different loco and it appears to have had the mech changed, going by the wheels. These locos were always slot and tab construction too.

 

And you appear to have confused about 4 different locos in your 3rd paragraph! 😊  "The Hornby Clockwork Train" was the original Hornby set in 1920, nut and bolt construction, and became the No1 loco and tender in 1921. The other train introduced in 1920 was the tinprinted train, sold as such without the Hornby name. It became the No 00 around1925. This later became the M3, and was replaced when they ran out of bits around 1928, with the very rare version of the M3, which was a No 0 loco without buffers of company lettering.

Complicated, isn't it?! 😊

Cheers, Mark

 

Fixed the headlight.  She is really running great.  This engine sat on a shelf for 4-5 years because I thought it didn’t run and I didn’t run any trains for 3 due to a health issue.  Really glad this set came together.  Thanks for the help.  Just gave her a ‘spit shine’ and she is lookin extra sporty now.  

Enjoy your weekend!       W1

 

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got a few items this week but have not taken photos of them yet. They were a #103 red Joyline loco and short red tender (looks like a repaint) and a Joyline 5-car set headed by a #104 bullet nose with headlight.

I also got this Chad Valley Ubilda loco (sans box)

17841 ubilda no box

and a Lionel 1688E missing one side rail and its front truck. Already have a front truck on order to install. The truck cost me more than the loco. 

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bigmark75f posted:
Fatman posted:

The Hornby Gods were a little kind to me so for Christmas I have some new treasures coming

 

 

Fatman, where to start. Well, the loco in the top picture is an M1, the M3 was a different loco and it appears to have had the mech changed, going by the wheels. These locos were always slot and tab construction too.

 

And you appear to have confused about 4 different locos in your 3rd paragraph! 😊  "The Hornby Clockwork Train" was the original Hornby set in 1920, nut and bolt construction, and became the No1 loco and tender in 1921. The other train introduced in 1920 was the tinprinted train, sold as such without the Hornby name. It became the No 00 around1925. This later became the M3, and was replaced when they ran out of bits around 1928, with the very rare version of the M3, which was a No 0 loco without buffers of company lettering.

Complicated, isn't it?! 😊

Cheers, Mark

 

LOL thats what I was getting at tho Mark and your reply is much more direct than my Tangental one ... The early years of Hornby had many different locos switching designation ,models, and morphing  willy nilly

I concur on the Mech issue as it does have the later wheels and the shaft as I mentioned.

And a Huge D'Oh on the nut and bolt .. that was the other one I bought recently LOL ... I am having a touch od "Old timers" !

I think I was trying to provide examples of how it is so hard to correctly identify some 1921-1929 hornby's

Thanks for the clarity however , you expressed the journey much better than I did

 

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Christmas garden, 1930-ish:

Lionel 253 with a couple of coaches, Lionel bungalow, Lionel O-68 crossing sign, Lionel 90 flag pole, a bunch of Tootsietoys, street lamps (unknown manufacturer), all on a nice board. Looks like a pond with a fountain and a few goldfish, too.

Courtesy of the Library of Congress.

PD

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Robert S. Butler posted:

JHZ563...from the way all of those hopper loads were twinkling and glittering as they rolled past I assume they are delivering diamonds to someone...so much for the good people...now what about the bad people on the list? 

I am mixed opinions on this.   As a kid who liked trains I always thought getting coal for Christmas would have been kinda cool since it makes trains go.  And from a practical standpoint coal can at least keep you warm,  so it's more of a consolation prize than a punishment.   

In this case however,  it's for naughty folks.  But if it comes from Santa,  (And its tinplate,)  how could anything other than shiny be an option?

Wow! What interesting tinplate you have all shared. Thanks much. Always enjoy this magnificent historical toy thread. 

Here I have acquired this (Karl Bub) ticket office in good condition, mostly. "Billets" tickets, I assume it to be for the French market.

There is an interesting petite feature where one can pull out a little lever and get a ticket!  I guess I will need to make some.

I believe it has a light in it. I am not sure if this item is powered AC or D.C. Might anyone know? Is this a postwar item?  Might the map indicate era?

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Slowly I am collecting  tinplate items for a future small French layout.

There will be more entries to share in the coming weeks.

thank you and a joyous Christmas to everyone.

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Wow! What interesting tinplate you have all shared. Thanks much. Always enjoy this magnificent historical toy thread. 

Here I have acquired this (Karl Bub) ticket office in good condition, mostly. "Billets" tickets, I assume it to be for the French market.

There is an interesting petite feature where one can pull out a little lever and get a ticket!  I guess I will need to make some.

I believe it has a light in it. I am not sure if this item is powered AC or D.C. Might anyone know? Is this a postwar item?  Might the map indicate era?

IMG_0321IMG_0322

Slowly I am collecting  tinplate items for a future small French layout.

There will be more entries to share in the coming weeks.

thank you and a joyous Christmas to everyone.

That´s great, never seen before. Here 2 others for the French market.

Kibri 60-3

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Bing 10/6141

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Greetings

Arne

 

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Arne posted:
Leroof posted:

Wow! What interesting tinplate you have all shared. Thanks much. Always enjoy this magnificent historical toy thread. 

Here I have acquired this (Karl Bub) ticket office in good condition, mostly. "Billets" tickets, I assume it to be for the French market.

There is an interesting petite feature where one can pull out a little lever and get a ticket!  I guess I will need to make some.

I believe it has a light in it. I am not sure if this item is powered AC or D.C. Might anyone know? Is this a postwar item?  Might the map indicate era?

IMG_0321IMG_0322

Slowly I am collecting  tinplate items for a future small French layout.

There will be more entries to share in the coming weeks.

thank you and a joyous Christmas to everyone.

That´s great, never seen before. Here 2 others for the French market.

Kibri 60-3

kibri60-3

Bing 10/6141

bi10-6141

Greetings

Arne

 

From a seller in Ireland, there is what is being described as a "Double-hatch (window?) ticket office 1726" ocean liner station/office on eBay right now, complete with tickets...US price $177.91, but the seller will accept an offer, too.

item # 202851122637 

Tom

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Lionel standard gauge Blue Comet train out on the layout this evening, looking forward to some time to work on the trains and layout over the long holiday week! The 390E Blue Comet locomotive is a nicely done restoration, which runs perfectly. The coaches are original. I acquired them all from the late Jeff Schulze through one of our two local TTOS meets. He sold me the coaches first, which of course meant I needed the engine to go with it, and next month he had it on his table. A pleasant pair of train collecting memories. Happy Holidays!

Blue Comet on **** Gate bridgeBlue Comet passenger carsBlue Comet train

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Great general tin and Christmas tin, everyone!

While my pictures don't come close to the majority of what has been posted in this thread, especially in terms of age and maker, I'll post them anyway. While not yet in my possession, purchased this guy yesterday. I have a foreign made, 1:72 scale Aral truck with trailer on my layout that my dad got in the 80s. I always liked that piece and thus had to go for this Fleischmann tanker:

Aral Tanker Fleischmann

Speaking of my dad, he was always a big fan of 1.) Greyhound busses and 2.) The Virginian and New Haven RRs(he grew up during the MPC era and has the MPC era E-33 New Haven and Virginian. So, here is my Christmas present for him(to the extent that Corgi can be considered tinplate- it is to me, at least)

Corgi New Haven Bus

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