๐ Letโs see your tinplate! ๐
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Consider, if you will, these two Bing Swift Reefers:
Reefer #1
...and Reefer #2
At first glance, other than the roof color and the fact the #2 is a bit glossier than #1, there doesn't seem to be much difference. However, notice the doors. Reefer #1 has lithographed wood doors whereas Reefer #2 doesn't. Indeed, the lithography for the doors on #2 gives the impression of steel doors ...and there is more.
If we take a closer look at the doors we see the reporting marks and the numerical ID do not match the #7300 of the Swift car.
so.... if we rummage through the photo files we find the following:
The doors on the Swift reefer are actually the doors for the Bing Pabst reefer sans the litho treatment for wood sided doors. Note the MRTCO designation on the door of the Pabst reefer and the matching M.R.T.X identifier in the bottom corner of the Pabst reefer which indicates these doors belong with the Pabst reefer. So what happened? At this late date it is anyone's guess. Whatever the reason, I rather like the look of the "steel" doors on the second Swift reefer it reminds me of the re-built wood reefers that were a part of everyday life on the real railroads back in the first third of the 20th Century.
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The Hornby Gods were a little kind to me so for Christmas I have some new treasures coming
An early No.00 or M1(?) loco and tender from around 1923-6 This was one of the cheapest loco's and unusually does not have the fixed key with it being a short shaft version .. Cheap Cute and Survived
Hornby was a little confused in marketing/labelling these trains they started life as "The Hornby Clockwork Train" in 1920 then as the Model No.0 then as the cheaper set was made the Model No.00 , then copped description in some circles as the (M1) ,then with the George the Fifth versions arrived they were renamed the M-Series No.3 ( M3) and again cos we werent confused enough, Mr Hornby in 1928 allocated the M3 to an entirely different bodied edition LOL!
As part of the deal I also got a spare locomotive and three more tenders ( of differing numbers/sets, M1 M3)
This loco as you can see DOES have the fixed key clockwork movement and I think that makes the top photo locomotive a first run of the series still having the unit from the original Hornby Clockwork Train , the top locomotive is also nut and bolt construction indicating its early
I had a run in the garden with my Marx recently acquired Commodore Vanderbilt, and since the red looked a bit Christmas I made it into a Christmas run by adding some "this time of the year" music:
Regards
Fred
Fatman posted:The Hornby Gods were a little kind to me so for Christmas I have some new treasures coming
An early No.00 or M1(?) loco and tender from around 1923-6 This was one of the cheapest loco's and unusually does not have the fixed key with it being a short shaft version .. Cheap Cute and Survived
Hornby was a little confused in marketing/labelling these trains they started life as "The Hornby Clockwork Train" in 1920 then as the Model No.0 then as the cheaper set was made the Model No.00 , then copped description in some circles as the (M1) ,then with the George the Fifth versions arrived they were renamed the M-Series No.3 ( M3) and again cos we werent confused enough, Mr Hornby in 1928 allocated the M3 to an entirely different bodied edition LOL!
As part of the deal I also got a spare locomotive and three more tenders ( of differing numbers/sets, M1 M3)
This loco as you can see DOES have the fixed key clockwork movement and I think that makes the top photo locomotive a first run of the series still having the unit from the original Hornby Clockwork Train , the top locomotive is also nut and bolt construction indicating its early
Fatman, where to start. Well, the loco in the top picture is an M1, the M3 was a different loco and it appears to have had the mech changed, going by the wheels. These locos were always slot and tab construction too.
And you appear to have confused about 4 different locos in your 3rd paragraph! ๐ "The Hornby Clockwork Train" was the original Hornby set in 1920, nut and bolt construction, and became the No1 loco and tender in 1921. The other train introduced in 1920 was the tinprinted train, sold as such without the Hornby name. It became the No 00 around1925. This later became the M3, and was replaced when they ran out of bits around 1928, with the very rare version of the M3, which was a No 0 loco without buffers of company lettering.
Complicated, isn't it?! ๐
Cheers, Mark
Lionel brass 54 out for a holiday run along with a Selzer / Marklin replica locomotive pulling Marklin freight.
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Fixed the headlight. She is really running great. This engine sat on a shelf for 4-5 years because I thought it didnโt run and I didnโt run any trains for 3 due to a health issue. Really glad this set came together. Thanks for the help. Just gave her a โspit shineโ and she is lookin extra sporty now.
Enjoy your weekend! W1
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Itโs that time of the year! Merry Christmas and enjoy. You just canโt beat the vibrant colors and the nostalgic sound of a tinplate layout.
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Tinplate + Gene Autry = Christmas. โบ
Wiemann - couldnโt agree more. Cool layout and trains..Lots of action!
A few news.
Schuhmann / Beckh from the 30s for UK
Karl Bub Newspaper Shop 1730
I have made a few Newspapers for them, found the templates in a german database
Karl Bub 28mm train from around 1910
Together with 0 gauge
Fandor indicator
was missing the roof
Merry Christmas
Arne
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ARNE: GREAT antiquities! Especially LOVE those mini-newspapers you so excellently crafted. โบ
RATPACK: What is the story with das Garibaldi boot????
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got a few items this week but have not taken photos of them yet. They were a #103 red Joyline loco and short red tender (looks like a repaint) and a Joyline 5-car set headed by a #104 bullet nose with headlight.
I also got this Chad Valley Ubilda loco (sans box)
and a Lionel 1688E missing one side rail and its front truck. Already have a front truck on order to install. The truck cost me more than the loco.