Stay safe everyone! 🧴🦠. Let’s see your tinplate!
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Not much to report in the world of O Gauge this week ...
But I did grab three 1950's Distler TD-5000 Triebwagens , 2 engines and 1 dummy unit ... HO tinplate
Oh and a weird little O Gauge vintage bogie that has a 3-rail pickup
Hi Fred,
Beautiful train! Have you had problems with the wheels and zinkpest? I have had this problem with some of my freight cars.
Miketg
Hello Mike,
Most of the Paya trains (reproductions from the eighties) have indeed zinkpest. Mine does not (yet), all still original; just luck!
Regards
Fred
Ultimate tinplate...RMS Queen Elizabeth:
For Cunard by Bassett-Lowke, as seen in a travelling exhibit at the Peabody in Salem, Massachusetts a few years ago. Full disclosure:: The hull is wood (mahogany), but other bits are substantially sheet-metal. And yes, it's 1/48-scale.
PD
Fatman posted:
Oh and a weird little O Gauge vintage bogie that has a 3-rail pickup
That looks like an American Flyer prewar pickup.
NWL
Nation Wide Lines posted:Fatman posted:
Oh and a weird little O Gauge vintage bogie that has a 3-rail pickup
That looks like an American Flyer prewar pickup.
NWL
If I put it in a pot, how long til it grows a new loco???
Fatman posted:Nation Wide Lines posted:Fatman posted:
Oh and a weird little O Gauge vintage bogie that has a 3-rail pickup
That looks like an American Flyer prewar pickup.
NWL
If I put it in a pot, how long til it grows a new loco???
It would likely grow a caboose!
pd posted:Ultimate tinplate...RMS Queen Elizabeth:
For Cunard by Bassett-Lowke, as seen in a travelling exhibit at the Peabody in Salem, Massachusetts a few years ago. Full disclosure:: The hull is wood (mahogany), but other bits are substantially sheet-metal. And yes, it's 1/48-scale.
PD
Looks very similar to this one https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...13#74073050612420413.
Regards
Fred
Didn't recall having posted that before. Anyway, it remains impressive, now part of the Peabody's permanent collection.
Here is another symptom of my affliction (the train collecting one).
I thought that it was red when I bought it to go with some other Ives O gauge cars that I have. It is more of a wine color or maroon. I have not seen any of the trains made for Wanamaker in person, but it looks a lot like that color.
Oh well, now I have an excuse to contine looking for something to pull those passenger cars.
Have a Great Tinplate Weekend
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Marx M-10000 streamliner set of 1936-37. We've had this one on a shelf for more than twenty years, and I only recently got it running; the reverser was gone so I wired it forward-only. Next I'll have to rewire the lights; it has both a headlight powered via the drive unit and a tail light powered from a pickup on the rear truck. Fun to see it zipping around the layout after all this time.
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Greg J. Turinetti posted:Here is another symptom of my affliction (the train collecting one).
I thought that it was red when I bought it to go with some other Ives O gauge cars that I have. It is more of a wine color or maroon. I have not seen any of the trains made for Wanamaker in person, but it looks a lot like that color.
Oh well, now I have an excuse to contine looking for something to pull those passenger cars.
Have a Greazt Tinplate Weekend
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Greg,
All of the Wanamaker engines I have seen are lettered for Wanamaker and not Ives. So that is unlikely to be a Wanamaker engine.
Scott Smith
Greg J. Turinetti posted:Here is another symptom of my affliction (the train collecting one).
I thought that it was red when I bought it to go with some other Ives O gauge cars that I have. It is more of a wine color or maroon. I have not seen any of the trains made for Wanamaker in person, but it looks a lot like that color.
Oh well, now I have an excuse to contine looking for something to pull those passenger cars.
Have a Greazt Tinplate Weekend
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Greg, here is the grown up version.
Steve
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Thanks NWL, Papa Eastman, and Robert for the input.
I have two sets of the red #70 cars that I would like to find engines for. Robert, your photo definitely is the engine I am looking for.
As you can see in these photos my engine is not a good match.
As I said I have never seen a Wanamaker train in person, however I didn't suspect that my engine was a Wanamaker. I just thought that the color looked very similar to the photos that I have seen of the color used on Wanamaker equipment.
And Papa Steve all I can say is Wow! Is that a honest to goodness Wanamaker?
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Greg J. Turinetti posted:Thanks NWL, Papa Eastman, and Robert for the input.
I have two sets of the red #70 cars that I would like to find engines for. Robert, your photo definitely is the engine I am looking for.
As you can see in these photos my engine is not a good match.
As I said I have never seen a Wanamaker train in person, however I didn't suspect that my engine was a Wanamaker. I just thought that the color looked very similar to the photos that I have seen of the color used on Wanamaker equipment.
And Papa Steve all I can say is Wow! Is that a honest to goodness Wanamaker?
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Not a Wanamaker. Just the same dark reddish brown as yours.
Steve
Greg J. Turinetti posted:Thanks NWL, Papa Eastman, and Robert for the input.
I have two sets of the red #70 cars that I would like to find engines for. Robert, your photo definitely is the engine I am looking for.
As you can see in these photos my engine is not a good match.
As I said I have never seen a Wanamaker train in person, however I didn't suspect that my engine was a Wanamaker. I just thought that the color looked very similar to the photos that I have seen of the color used on Wanamaker equipment.
And Papa Steve all I can say is Wow! Is that a honest to goodness Wanamaker?
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
From Greenberg's Guide to Ives Trains, "We have observed the 3252 in dark red, light green, black, maroon, burnt-orange, peacock blue and red. At this time we cannot assign colors to years." The guide has pictures of a similar color engine pulling brown lithographed passenger cars with black roofs and separately a freight consist. I don't think it needs to be color matched to the passenger cars.
George
Considering the present circumstances, I am going to start showing things which I don’t yet have ‘in hand’. Bought and paid for, but probably won’t be leaving Germany any time soon. Marklin 0 gauge 1846 gepackwagen. Wishes of good health to all.
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MNCW posted:
Hello Tom
Nice catch - they look in pretty decent shape -- reminds me of my 1952 Marx set tinplate cars. Also i see they are double trucked cars ! (not 4 wheel cars) . How old are they ?
PS: I emailed you a "catching up" reply Tues. 3/17 to your just previous email sent to me -- and heard nothing since .
I forwarded it again today (20th) and this time it was returned by your "purchase . edu" email address with a notice that you and staff are working remote from home - and I then tried using your steam loco website displayed email (steam ....at yahoo . com ) and it came back from yahoo server as not deliverable and listed as UNKNOWN . I see you have been on line here at OGR the past few days so your computer obviously is OK -- did you get my emails (via your email "purchase - edu") from Tues. the 17th and those sent today?
Regards - Joe F
I picked up the Blue station above this week at a jumble sale. I never thought I would see one of these again.
A product of WW2 and the post war import restrictions was the boom in Grandparents, modellers and furniture shops making items to fill the shelves of Toy stores.
The only other station in this style I have found was the above green one that was a mid war present to a child in Upway Victoria. The one above was found in Wandin Victoria so I am guessing the manufacturer may have been country based? The Green station had EMGEE rubber stamped underneath but this one does not.
Notable features of this style of station are:
Wired for electrical lighting with roof mounted torch bulb holder, bakelite switch and the station office doubles as a battery holder.
The fence is made from pressing leftovers (possibly spoon handles?) and has the station name attached
Two seats on the station platform and station office is a screen printed water slide decal.
And that’s all I know of these stations. Despite an article in a local collector magazine no one has contacted me to say they have ever seen one.. The mystery continues..
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Joseph Frank posted:MNCW posted:Hello Tom
Nice catch - they look in pretty decent shape -- reminds me of my 1952 Marx set tinplate cars. Also i see they are double trucked cars ! (not 4 wheel cars) . How old are they ?
PS: I emailed you a "catching up" reply Tues. 3/17 to your just previous email sent to me -- and heard nothing since .
I forwarded it again today (20th) and this time it was returned by your "purchase . edu" email address with a notice that you and staff are working remote from home - and I then tried using your steam loco website displayed email (steam ....at yahoo . com ) and it came back from yahoo server as not deliverable and listed as UNKNOWN . I see you have been on line here at OGR the past few days so your computer obviously is OK -- did you get my emails (via your email "purchase - edu") from Tues. the 17th and those sent today?
Regards - Joe F
Hi Joe,
Yes, I am still here...just swamped at work with now shifting to working from home. Watch for an email coming soon.
Tom
The Marx freight platform is currently doubling as a landing pad. Contemporary Sci-fi aficionados will recognize the ship as legitimate salvage!
And here I am shamelessly double posting my Switcher Saturday subject matter. The Mike's P&LE is pulling an all tinplate consist of 3 different manufacturers.
Have a great weekend everyone.
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PhillyChris posted:
I know the feeling. Have some auction winnings stuck in The UK at the moment. Was hoping to have them by the time the Chaos started so when we went in to lockdown I had a few projects to work on. Oh well... once the lockdown is lifted I’ll be a busy bee..
A MTH Standard gauge 514R car converted into a working automatic milk car . Still in the process of fine tuning it .
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JohnnieWalker posted:A MTH Standard gauge 514R car converted into a working automatic milk car . Still in the process of fine tuning it .
Pretty cool! Looks like a ghost throwing them out!
jhz563 posted:JohnnieWalker posted:A MTH Standard gauge 514R car converted into a working automatic milk car . Still in the process of fine tuning it .
Pretty cool! Looks like a ghost throwing them out!
At some point I will remove him and give him a proper paint job . Like I said , I'm still fine tuning it . Not sure if I'll make a new unloading platform for it .
well then you must have gotten my Prewar Scale switcher I was supposed to get.....
I have a Ives 3242 and two cars that are the same burgundy color. This set has been in the family since new, it was my wife’s Grandfather’s childhood train, I am guessing it’s almost 100 years old.
Don’t know if it ever had the 189 Observation car or not, but if they did it’s gone now, I am looking for that car if anyone has one to sell, please let me know.
I haven’t touched the paint for fear of making it worse, would like to at least gently clean it with soapy water and a soft cloth, at best follow the wash up with a liquid car wax. Any advice or warnings, or should I leave it as is?
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Lionel standard gauge "Baby State Set" on the layout. 318E loco in two-tone brown with matching 310, 309 and 312 cars. This is a set I picked up a while ago that cleaned up very nicely. Runs great as well, one of its previous owners had installed new wheels.
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Got my winding key in todays mail, so the Duke of York is in charge of the local today on the LMS. Ran live steam earlier and will be running more live steam later today. AD
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Ran some Tinplate yesterday on the RiCHY RR, I hope everyone is staying safe and healthy...Rich Murnane
Track 1 – Lionel Lines #262E Steam Locomotive (Lionel Corp Tinplate 11-6022-0 circa 2012)
Track 2 - Lionel #253 Boxcab Electric Locomotive (Lionel Prewar Tinplate circa ~1929)
A few weeks ago, I tried pulling a very long consist of Ives and American Flyer cars. I had some trouble with the middle cars falling over on curves. I don’t remember how many I was able to pull successfully. No problems today pulling almost all of my 800 / 2800 series Lionel / MTH cars! I was going a little too slow when I reached the switch in the first video. Enjoy!
George
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I love my Prewar Tinplate, and I like to run long trains. Might just be my O27 curves, but it takes some finesse getting the cars just right so they don't tip over. I have better luck when I start out halfway in a straight stretch, and get decent spped, then it usually works OK.
Beautiful Tin George!
Looking good George!
George S posted:A few weeks ago, I tried pulling a very long consist of Ives and American Flyer cars. I had some trouble with the middle cars falling over on curves. I don’t remember how many I was able to pull successfully. No problems today pulling almost all of my 800 / 2800 series Lionel / MTH cars! I was going a little too slow when I reached the switch in the first video. Enjoy!
George
I have pulled up to 60 Marx 3/16 freight cars. It takes hours of prep work to pull it off.
Steve
Lionel 384-E, an early standard gauge purchase for me back in 1996. A classic of 1932-33. Somewhere along the line this particular one traded out its original red spoked drivers for some plain black ones.
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Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:George S posted:A few weeks ago, I tried pulling a very long consist of Ives and American Flyer cars. I had some trouble with the middle cars falling over on curves. I don’t remember how many I was able to pull successfully. No problems today pulling almost all of my 800 / 2800 series Lionel / MTH cars! I was going a little too slow when I reached the switch in the first video. Enjoy!
George
I have pulled up to 60 Marx 3/16 freight cars. It takes hours of prep work to pull it off.
Steve
Wow! I don’t think I could fit 60 cars on my loop. I had about 24 Ives and AF cars. I couldn’t fit them all on any of the straights. Starting them on curves is more difficult. To your point, I probably had wheels that needed cleaning and oiling, trucks that need adjustment and couplers that needed tweaking. The Lionel cars are also heavier and have better couplers, wheels and trucks.
George
JohnnieWalker posted:A MTH Standard gauge 514R car converted into a working automatic milk car . Still in the process of fine tuning it .
Pretty cool. I have been thinking about a similar project in O gauge. How did you fabricate the loading hatch? Do you have photos of the whole car?
Will posted:JohnnieWalker posted:A MTH Standard gauge 514R car converted into a working automatic milk car . Still in the process of fine tuning it .
Pretty cool. I have been thinking about a similar project in O gauge. How did you fabricate the loading hatch? Do you have photos of the whole car?
Hi Will . Thanks for the compliment . I took photos along the way and they can be found on my thread here on the forum called Another Standard Gauge Project . I posted the project just this past Friday night . I hope this helps you and good luck.
George S posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:George S posted:A few weeks ago, I tried pulling a very long consist of Ives and American Flyer cars. I had some trouble with the middle cars falling over on curves. I don’t remember how many I was able to pull successfully. No problems today pulling almost all of my 800 / 2800 series Lionel / MTH cars! I was going a little too slow when I reached the switch in the first video. Enjoy!
George
I have pulled up to 60 Marx 3/16 freight cars. It takes hours of prep work to pull it off.
Steve
Wow! I don’t think I could fit 60 cars on my loop. I had about 24 Ives and AF cars. I couldn’t fit them all on any of the straights. Starting them on curves is more difficult. To your point, I probably had wheels that needed cleaning and oiling, trucks that need adjustment and couplers that needed tweaking. The Lionel cars are also heavier and have better couplers, wheels and trucks.
George
This is what 60 Marx 3/16 freights look like on 54" curves.
Steve
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:George S posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:George S posted:A few weeks ago, I tried pulling a very long consist of Ives and American Flyer cars. I had some trouble with the middle cars falling over on curves. I don’t remember how many I was able to pull successfully. No problems today pulling almost all of my 800 / 2800 series Lionel / MTH cars! I was going a little too slow when I reached the switch in the first video. Enjoy!
George
I have pulled up to 60 Marx 3/16 freight cars. It takes hours of prep work to pull it off.
Steve
Wow! I don’t think I could fit 60 cars on my loop. I had about 24 Ives and AF cars. I couldn’t fit them all on any of the straights. Starting them on curves is more difficult. To your point, I probably had wheels that needed cleaning and oiling, trucks that need adjustment and couplers that needed tweaking. The Lionel cars are also heavier and have better couplers, wheels and trucks.
George
This is what 60 Marx 3/16 freights look like on 54" curves.
Steve
Pretty amazing. I may need to try again.
George
JohnnieWalker posted:Will posted:JohnnieWalker posted:A MTH Standard gauge 514R car converted into a working automatic milk car . Still in the process of fine tuning it .
Pretty cool. I have been thinking about a similar project in O gauge. How did you fabricate the loading hatch? Do you have photos of the whole car?
Hi Will . Thanks for the compliment . I took photos along the way and they can be found on my thread here on the forum called Another Standard Gauge Project . I posted the project just this past Friday night . I hope this helps you and good luck.
Johnnie, I did check it out- Looks like a fun project. But the photos are very small so it's hard to make out some of the details.
I do have some questions. Are the mechanisms and doors from O gauge cars? To load the cans, I gather you have to take the roof off?
Thanks, Will
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:George S posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:George S posted:A few weeks ago, I tried pulling a very long consist of Ives and American Flyer cars. I had some trouble with the middle cars falling over on curves. I don’t remember how many I was able to pull successfully. No problems today pulling almost all of my 800 / 2800 series Lionel / MTH cars! I was going a little too slow when I reached the switch in the first video. Enjoy!
Georg
I have pulled up to 60 Marx 3/16 freight cars. It takes hours of prep work to pull it off.
Steve
Wow! I don’t think I could fit 60 cars on my loop. I had about 24 Ives and AF cars. I couldn’t fit them all on any of the straights. Starting them on curves is more difficult. To your point, I probably had wheels that needed cleaning and oiling, trucks that need adjustment and couplers that needed tweaking. The Lionel cars are also heavier and have better couplers, wheels and trucks.
Georg
This is what 60 Marx 3/16 freights look like on 54" curves.
Steve
awesome Steve!
With some extra time at home these days I've been making progress on the pile of toy train projects. This weekend I resurrected my Varney-Sirius made repro of the famous Ives 3245 standard gauge "Olympian" loco. I got this some years back on Ebay for a great price. When it arrived I found out why; it was a dead short on the track, and also the front and rear trucks would derail when you pushed it by hand around any kind of a curve. But it looked great, so it was relegated to a display piece.
The electrical short turned out to be the reverse unit having its drum loose inside the enclosure. For a quick fix I simply removed the whole reverse unit and reconnected the brush and field wires. The drum looks like it may have lost one of the pins on the ends that hold it into the frame, so fixing that will take more time.
The derailing problem was simply a lack of clearance between the frame and the pony truck assemblies on either side of the drive wheels. In-other-words, the frame sat too low and prevented these trucks from pivoting, The odd part is that it was apparently made that way. It wasn't hard to temporarily raise the frame up relative to the drive unit, but there does not appear to be any corresponding holes in the drive unit frame for this new position. For now it's held up with some cable ties. I've included some photos of the chassis.
With those two fixes and some lubrication, it runs and looks great. This thing is a beast. I tried it out with two different sets of Ives passenger cars that I have.
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Will posted:JohnnieWalker posted:Will posted:JohnnieWalker posted:A MTH Standard gauge 514R car converted into a working automatic milk car . Still in the process of fine tuning it .
Pretty cool. I have been thinking about a similar project in O gauge. How did you fabricate the loading hatch? Do you have photos of the whole car?
Hi Will . Thanks for the compliment . I took photos along the way and they can be found on my thread here on the forum called Another Standard Gauge Project . I posted the project just this past Friday night . I hope this helps you and good luck.
Johnnie, I did check it out- Looks like a fun project. But the photos are very small so it's hard to make out some of the details.
I do have some questions. Are the mechanisms and doors from O gauge cars? To load the cans, I gather you have to take the roof off?
Thanks, Will
Hi Will. First off the Standard Gauge car I used is a MTH 514R refrigerator car . All the components are from Lionel automatic milk cars , the spring loaded doors are from a 3472 Automatic Refrigerated Milk Car. They were pretty much the same size doors that were on the 514R car. At first I used the mechanism out of the 3472 to throw the cans out but it was too unreliable , luckily for me I also had a # 36621 Automatic Refrigerator Milk Car on hand so I took the unloading mechanism out of it and installed it into the 514R car . All this was done so I could have an automated 500 series car . Just for your information, there are a few automatic milk cars out there to be had . I know of two from Lionel , the #s I mentioned above and I know of one from K-Line . If you you Google O gauge automatic milk cars you should come up with a few videos of the ones I mentioned above . There may be another , I don't know . I hope this is helpful to you and good luck with your project . Cheers .
Tail End Tuesday, early Dorfan observation car. Same as a coach, but the fish eyes on both ends. Later cars had platforms.
Steve
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guess tab and slot wasn't an option?
Steamer posted:guess tab and slot wasn't an option?
Not in STD Gauge
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:
Steve,
I'm looking at an MTH Dorfan STD gauge steam engine online. It looks like it has Ives couplers. I know they are basically the same engine as the Ives model. Do you know if the Dorfan models came with Dorfan couplers? Thanks.
George
It almost looks like the Ives coupler would mate up with the female Dorman coupler.
George S posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Steve,
I'm looking at an MTH Dorfan STD gauge steam engine online. It looks like it has Ives couplers. I know they are basically the same engine as the Ives model. Do you know if the Dorfan models came with Dorfan couplers? Thanks.
George
George, from MTH it would have come with only a Dorfan Coupler. Many bought on the secondary market, many couplers are switched to Lionel or Ives because so few have Dorfan cars.
Steve
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:George S posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Steve,
I'm looking at an MTH Dorfan STD gauge steam engine online. It looks like it has Ives couplers. I know they are basically the same engine as the Ives model. Do you know if the Dorfan models came with Dorfan couplers? Thanks.
George
George, from MTH it would have come with only a Dorfan Coupler. Many bought on the secondary market, many couplers are switched to Lionel or Ives because so few have Dorfan cars.
Steve
Awesome! Thanks Steve. Now you're just going to need to wait to find out why I asked...
George
George S posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:George S posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Steve,
I'm looking at an MTH Dorfan STD gauge steam engine online. It looks like it has Ives couplers. I know they are basically the same engine as the Ives model. Do you know if the Dorfan models came with Dorfan couplers? Thanks.
George
George, from MTH it would have come with only a Dorfan Coupler. Many bought on the secondary market, many couplers are switched to Lionel or Ives because so few have Dorfan cars.
Steve
Awesome! Thanks Steve. Now you're just going to need to wait to find out why I asked...
George
Dorfan couplers May still be available from Henning’s
Steve
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:George S posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:George S posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:For those not familiar with the Dorfan STD Gauge coupler.
together
female
male
Steve,
I'm looking at an MTH Dorfan STD gauge steam engine online. It looks like it has Ives couplers. I know they are basically the same engine as the Ives model. Do you know if the Dorfan models came with Dorfan couplers? Thanks.
George
George, from MTH it would have come with only a Dorfan Coupler. Many bought on the secondary market, many couplers are switched to Lionel or Ives because so few have Dorfan cars.
Steve
Awesome! Thanks Steve. Now you're just going to need to wait to find out why I asked...
George
Dorfan couplers May still be available from Henning’s
Steve
I saw some on their site under MEW parts. If I end up needing them, I'll go there.
George
@Greg J. Turinetti posted:Here is another symptom of my affliction (the train collecting one).
I thought that it was red when I bought it to go with some other Ives O gauge cars that I have. It is more of a wine color or maroon. I have not seen any of the trains made for Wanamaker in person, but it looks a lot like that color.
Oh well, now I have an excuse to contine looking for something to pull those passenger cars.
Have a Great Tinplate Weekend
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
wondering what the value of Ives loco is. I have one but missing the bell and light
It all depends on the condition and the color. I don't remember what I paid for this engine. Recent sales on ebay indicate that it would sell for about $60.00 to $80.00.
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Are we back here for good? If so, HOORAY! :-)
Check the date of the thread. Its from a year ago.
I realize that, but it is on the Tinplate Forum instead of the Photos Forum. Guess it will be moved!
@Nation Wide Lines posted:It would likely grow a caboose!
Or a passenger car ?