Weekend Tinplate photos 📸 and videos 📽 5/14/20!

Still in Hornby time, a British passenger set of the Great Western. I dates from 1926-27 and has been founded complete even with his papers.

Have a nice weekend,   Daniel

Very nice Daniel! 👍

Found a "3rd Class" coach for the Bing wind-up set:

They both need a good polish and a few minor repairs. 

PD

A few news in the collection.

Bing 10/677, made 1923-27

Bing 60/610, made 1923-27

Bassett Lowke Platelayers Hut (wood) from the 20s

American Flyer Hiawatha train. My biggest problem is the missing key, they has a screw thread which is uncommon in Germany.

Arne

DANIEL: Exquisite set! JKE: Stunning bridge and train!

Daniel - what a superb set, thank you for posting.  JKE - loved the bridge, trains too.

I was just messing about today and took out an American Flyer 1211 Steeple Cab electric engine from the 1920's from my display case, where it has sat for at least 15 years.    It was always uncatalogued hence I can get no more specific date of manufacture.  She was never the most beautiful in the line, no brass plates, no fancy number, just a quick coat of green paint and all the data rubber stamped in a dull yellow.  However, she must be very proud!  Today, perhaps 90-100 years after her birth, she hooked up to my vintage AF consist and pulled out of the station with not one bit of hesitation.  Here are a few pictures.

Here she is with #1205 Baggage with the "lightning bolt locomotive" insignia, from about 1923 and two 1206 Green Lightning Bolt passenger cars also from the early 20's.

Somewhat better look at the cars...

This was her consist today, which she handled with out one single problem in fact it was obvious she could have pulled several more cars with no trouble. 

Best Wishes, Don

FEF, Ives 3241 in a pea green like color.

Steve

Love the clickety-clack on the Dorfan bridge!

Double-barrel Tinplate Traditions 263s:

- The Other Guy 

Don: VERY NICE 1211 and consist! Those prewar gems were made to run and run! That engine will likely still be running in another 90 years! Hard to beat old high tech! BTW, my son is an aeronautical engineer with Northrup Grumman and my 21 year old grandson is an aerospace engineering major. An uncle and first cousin worked for Grumman in Bethpage and a next door neighbor helped wire the LEM at Grumman.

Everybody- great tin all around!

@Arne very nice additions!! Love the Bing piece and have always been a fan of the Flyer passenger cars in your last picture due to their versatility in being able to couple with a wide range of tinplate.

@Don McErlean nice 1211 Flyer Steeple cab and equally nice consist! I assume she pulls cars with the same speed as my 1218, you could likely add at least 5 more of those cars on to get her to just run at an appropriate speed! Lol

This first post is for buildings and some miscellaneous pieces. Trains in the next post:

I posted this guy in the general Tinplate thread and will be posting the pictures of the inside after this post. Bing 1925 transformer, classified as a "signal boxes" on toyshistory

Next up- a Bing garage I picked up about a month ago. It's about 6 in. long and 4 inches wide, making it just too small to fit a something like an Ives 3250, although a trolley or handcar would work. For now, it's being used on an army base to shed a tank. Either way, I really like this piece! 

Next up-something kind of, sort of, tangentially, Bing related, if I understand correctly-but only because Bing supplied the company with accessories before they made their own:

From Hafner's 1200 set- Hafner Depot.

Next- some Ives track, 2 turn-outs and 3 curves. Also came with, what I believe, is a Bing ramp for a bridge that is in pristine condition. The Ives track, while O-31 profile, is O-27 radius. Tried to run trains on them but the switches kept shorting out. I put tape in strategic places but this hindered the operation at thimes and looked ridiculous. Otherwise, in good shape besides a dent on the switchbox.

Finally- got this book around Easter- very, very cool. Informative and has some nice pictures.

That's it for notable accessories and other. Next up are a few decent trains I picked-up

First-up: Possibly my favorite tinplate purchase in terms of trains over the last couple weeks- my first Dorfan rolling stock or Dorfan item of any kind! 610 Dorfan Lines Derrick car! The hook has been replaced and the paintt isn't the gray is way previously but in general I think it is in decent shape. I know Dorfan freight isn't as popular/sought after as the passenger cars or those cars that were prone to zinc pest but I really like this Derrick car and am happy I bought it.

Here's the Derrick car with two of it's "cousins". The bumper is Fandor and the Freight Wagen to the right is a "Made in Germany U.S. Zone" Fandor piece.  a

Next- JeP tender in pretty good condition that I picked-up. Love the lithography on the "truck" of JeP trains:

My Lionel 204 finally got a tender! 1689T. While not the tender normally associated with this engine, it works fine. Also, pretty versatile with a hole for a peg and a slot for a tab and slot. Really love how this engine runs.

Wrapping up- going to ask for some help from the forum, i have 2 questions regarding my last few pictures. The Baggage car on the right is new, just picked it up, made by KBN as you can see in the picture below.  I placed the baggage car next to the Kuhl-Wagen because their size is almost exactly the same as is the coupler type- any guesses on the maker of the Kuhl-Wagen?

Obviously, as shown below, I really like green baggage or combine cars from Germany. From left to right: KBN, Bing/KBN, Bing, Marklin. Last question is about the Marklin car

This was obviously used to light the car- how do you do that, though? Was their a battery? Does it connect to something? any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks and hope y'all enjoyed

An Assortment of Parlor Cars and a baggage c. 1914-1915.

NWL

@Nation Wide Lines Holy Toledo those coaches and baggage car are incredible. The condition appears like it’s brand new. I was lucky enough to snag an Ives no. 51 Newark Passenger car w/ “Pennsylvania Lines”, but w/o roof, for a great price awhile back from the teens era. Unfortunately, I have nothing that matches it to run it with like you do with those cars.

In ok condition- not anything like yours which look straight out of the box. With its age and being a “Pennsylvania”, it’s the only train I keep in my bedroom. Those cars you have are really treasures, thank you for sharing!

Steve, you have an original lighting unit in your Marklin baggage car. The lighting system used by Marklin is to take juice from the loco, where there is a female plug and make a line, with cotton wires through the cars. Lionel did the same in the first years on standard gauge trains.  You just have to plug them in the right way....

Here are two pictures to illustrate, sorry the trains are 1 gauge but it is the same.

Very nice finds you have done as always... Daniel

@FRENCHTRAINS posted:

Steve, you have an original lighting unit in your Marklin baggage car. The lighting system used by Marklin is to take juice from the loco, where there is a female plug and make a line, with cotton wires through the cars. Lionel did the same in the first years on standard gauge trains.  You just have to plug them in the right way....

Here are two pictures to illustrate, sorry the trains are 1 gauge but it is the same.

Very nice finds you have done as always... Daniel

 

American Flyer used the same type of system on their early 3020 locomotives and Columbia/Illini cars from 1922 to 1924.  The lighting system was optional on these cars during those years.  Beginning in 1925, these series of cars started using a roller pick-up to light the cars and the cars always were lighted.

NWL

I suppose that in light of JC Penney's filing for bankruptcy on Friday that a tribute to their store brand trains should be made, so I offer this Nation Wide Lines store branded JC Penney set c. 1929

NWL

Wow guys what a group of pictures and trains.  A few comments, first StevefromPA and Tinplate Art - thank you very much for the kind words for my 1211 steeple cab and consist.  Yes Steve -  I do believe this little guy could easily pull 5 more cars and yes it would make him a little more controllable. NWL what super pictures, the NWL passenger train and the very early parlor cars are really neat and the lithography is truly colorful.

Here are some items that might be fun for everyone. 

StevefromPA - in your picture you show a Hafner Depot from the Hafner 1200 set. You mention that the depot might have been made by Bing for Hafner.  I have what seems to be the same depot but with a radically different lithograph scheme.  It carries no name or country of manufacture so it is a bit of a mystery.  I had been told it was Hafner but there is no marking to that effect on the station.

Here is what  I assume is the front due to the large doors pictured on the side. 

Here is the end, with the town name pictured on a large sign. The other end is the same

Here is what I am calling the back and you can see it has no doors pictured, just three windows

So Steve, would like your opinion, do you think this is also Hafner or perhaps the same product made by a third mfr and sold to another company?  

NWL: The Parlor Cars are great.  I have very little from this early era and nothing near a "like new" as the pictures you presented.  However here a couple of pictures of some early Ives items.

Here is the Parlor Car, it is an Ives 52 and its color scheme dates it to being introduced in 1913 - however it did run until 1925 .  I have 2 of these which came in a set with the accompanying baggage car pictured next.

Here is the Ives Number 50 Baggage and Express Mail.  I hope the passengers didn't have much of value in their luggage or in the mail, as this car has no door!  Again, in this color scheme it was introduced in 1913 and ran until 1925. 

OBTW - please excuse the pencil, I had to use that to change the angle to the light over my kitchen table to reduce the "flare" - not fully successful but better than it was when they were flat.

TinplateArt :  Thanks for mentioning your son and other relatives with Grumman and now Northrop Grumman.  I worked for nearly 20 years for the Dept of the Navy, Naval Aviation Systems Command, as an Aerospace Engineer and made many trips to Grumman on Long Island, home of the F-14, the Navy's front line fighter aircraft during most of my career.

Happy Sunday everyone.  Have a safe and healthy week

Don

@Don McErlean posted:

Wow guys what a group of pictures and trains.  A few comments, first StevefromPA and Tinplate Art - thank you very much for the kind words for my 1211 steeple cab and consist.  Yes Steve -  I do believe this little guy could easily pull 5 more cars and yes it would make him a little more controllable. NWL what super pictures, the NWL passenger train and the very early parlor cars are really neat and the lithography is truly colorful.

Here are some items that might be fun for everyone. 

StevefromPA - in your picture you show a Hafner Depot from the Hafner 1200 set. You mention that the depot might have been made by Bing for Hafner.  I have what seems to be the same depot but with a radically different lithograph scheme.  It carries no name or country of manufacture so it is a bit of a mystery.  I had been told it was Hafner but there is no marking to that effect on the station.

Here is what  I assume is the front due to the large doors pictured on the side. 

Here is the end, with the town name pictured on a large sign. The other end is the same

Here is what I am calling the back and you can see it has no doors pictured, just three windows

So Steve, would like your opinion, do you think this is also Hafner or perhaps the same product made by a third mfr and sold to another company?  

NWL: The Parlor Cars are great.  I have very little from this early era and nothing near a "like new" as the pictures you presented.  However here a couple of pictures of some early Ives items.

Here is the Parlor Car, it is an Ives 52 and its color scheme dates it to being introduced in 1913 - however it did run until 1925 .  I have 2 of these which came in a set with the accompanying baggage car pictured next.

Here is the Ives Number 50 Baggage and Express Mail.  I hope the passengers didn't have much of value in their luggage or in the mail, as this car has no door!  Again, in this color scheme it was introduced in 1913 and ran until 1925. 

OBTW - please excuse the pencil, I had to use that to change the angle to the light over my kitchen table to reduce the "flare" - not fully successful but better than it was when they were flat.

TinplateArt :  Thanks for mentioning your son and other relatives with Grumman and now Northrop Grumman.  I worked for nearly 20 years for the Dept of the Navy, Naval Aviation Systems Command, as an Aerospace Engineer and made many trips to Grumman on Long Island, home of the F-14, the Navy's front line fighter aircraft during most of my career.

Happy Sunday everyone.  Have a safe and healthy week

Don

Definitely Hafner. Colors are all over the place. In that series, there is the station, freight terminal and a passenger platform.

Steve

Thanks Steve. Hefner it is !  I am awaiting a Hafner 1010 freight set at the moment so it will be good to have a station. 

Regards. Don

@Don McErlean Honestly, I can't say for sure, and there's quite a few forum members who could tell you more exact and accurate info about your Glen Ellyn item which is obviously not the usual 6 3/4-inch long Glen Ellyn station.(skip to bold text if you don't want to read lol)However, I can offer some insight. The 1200 series(freight depot, passenger depot, passenger waiting platform) were the first tin litho buildingsproduced and sold by Hafner no later than 1933, when Bing closed(side note: There are still trains  with a Bing logo or a Karl Bub & Bing logo post-1933 as Bub took over some of Bing's equipment). Prior to 1933,  Bing supplied Hafner with not only accessories but rolling stock(until about 1928) as well.

After WWI, for a number of reasons, American firms gained and would eventually grasp the American market for good from German manufacturers. However, during the post-WWI years German manufacturers(I'm just going to focus on Bing now) 1.) made trains for the American market that bore heavy similarities to American manufacturers and 2.) supplied rolling stock to some American manufacturers. Regarding the first, compare your Ives Parlor and Baggage cars to the Bing 4 wheel New York Central 253 coach and 501 baggage. Regarding number 2...

William Hafner worked at American Flyer with William Coleman Sr. and left in 1914 to start his own company. After Hafner departed there was a period in which Hafner, or Overland Flyer, and American Flyer put out very, very similarly styled trains.  While not on the best of terms, the two had to have some influence on each other in terms of designing toy trains and running a toy train business.  Further, Bing supposedly produced rolling stock for American Flyer in the teens and 20s and, as stated in the first paragraph, produced rolling stock for Hafner until 1928.

So, all that said, for Hafner's Overland Flyer 8 wheel coaches and something like their Overland Flyer 4 wheel-caboose to all look so very "Nuremberg/Bing", and then to have a station that appears to be so similar to a 1200 series passenger depot, I'd guess that your structure is very likely a Hafner manufactured Passenger Depot with a different lithograph, not unlike the numerous variations and lithos of the Glen Ellyn station.

Sorry for the lengthy reply, it's just sometimes when I really get into writing something I keep going ha. Very neat Hafner item though, I like it's lithography more than the one that I have.

@Don McErlean posted:

Thanks Steve. Hefner it is !  I am awaiting a Hafner 1010 freight set at the moment so it will be good to have a station. 

Regards. Don

Here is a Hafner 1200 accessories set.

Steve

@FRENCHTRAINS posted:

Steve, you have an original lighting unit in your Marklin baggage car. The lighting system used by Marklin is to take juice from the loco, where there is a female plug and make a line, with cotton wires through the cars. Lionel did the same in the first years on standard gauge trains.  You just have to plug them in the right way....

Here are two pictures to illustrate, sorry the trains are 1 gauge but it is the same.

Very nice finds you have done as always... Daniel

Very cool! @FRENCHTRAINS thank you for the pictures and the compliment, it means a lot. @Nation Wide Lines as soon as I saw FRENCHTRAINS answer, I immediately thought of the Illini Flyer train.

@Don McErlean the much more knowledgable Steve beat me to it. @Steve "Papa" Eastman .First- awesome boxed 1200 accessories set! My favorite piece is probably the waiting platform, for some reason I always liked that one. Also, the semaphore and crossing sign look mighty familiar...almost like another company helped out 

Thank you Steve X 2. It is from folks like you on the forum that I continue to learn. Steve E. the accessory set you posted shows yet another litho scheme and it appears that the freight station may be about the same basic building with different openings punched out an efficient production technique. 

Again thank you both for responding 

Regards. Don

As I mentioned the colors of these 3 structures was all over the place, some small parts were occasionally nickel or chrome. The only things that were color consists two were the two signals. Those were always red and yellow.

Steve

@StevefromPA posted:

Wrapping up- going to ask for some help from the forum, i have 2 questions regarding my last few pictures. The Baggage car on the right is new, just picked it up, made by KBN as you can see in the picture below.  I placed the baggage car next to the Kuhl-Wagen because their size is almost exactly the same as is the coupler type- any guesses on the maker of the Kuhl-Wagen?

Steve,

the Kuhlwagen was made by Bing first, but was a bit higher, the printing is very similar. After the end of Bing in 1932, Karl Bub had buyed some of the tools. Bub had changed the Bing car to a bit smaller one and without the sliding door. Was only a short time avaible, around 1933-35.

Bing 10/577 made 1929-32

The same shape like your Kuhlwagen is this Bub sleeping-car, with the same frame. Is not marked too.

Arne

Stadtilm also made  Kuhlwagen

and Bub made at least two, early 4-wheel and early 8-wheel bub/bing transition cars, and HWN/Wimmer made a 4-wheel too.

recent acquisitions:

Hoge tom thumb 1902 boxcar

Joyline blue frame and black frame gondolas

Merkur 1st 2nd coach

Flyer 1120 observation car

Also a couple Fergusson telephone poles and a 5-car Joy Line passenger set led by a clockwork 105 loco and short tender.

And the HWN Kuhlwagen shown above in my last post.

@Jim O'C posted:

recent acquisitions:

And the Bub Kuhlwagen shown above in my last post.

Sorry Jim,

this Kuhlwagen is not Bub, was made by Heinrich Wimmer (HWN)  from 1958 till to the early 60s.

The same was made as Bananacar too.

Arne

@Arne posted:

Sorry Jim,

this Kuhlwagen is not Bub, was made by Heinrich Wimmer (HWN)  from 1958 till to the early 60s.

The same was made as Bananacar too.

 

Arne

 

You are correct, photo stored in the wrong folder, sorry

NWL: VERY NICE vintage J.C. Penny set!

Keep on topic guys....please.  Bandwidth should be used to discuss trains on this forum.  thanks!