Weekend tinplate photos/videos 10/13/17!!

Hornby from England quit making 0 gauge trains around 1960. Some smaller manufacturers still make Hornby replica trains; I show some freight cars. Ridg(e)ley makes in his Directory Series painted and decalled freight cars; Middleton from Australia makes lithographed tinplate versions. The cars pictured all have Märklin couplers which I assume were added by the previous (German?) owner.

Regards

FRed

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I've been missing in action for a few weeks because of  a vacation and some family commitments, but I have checked in to see what folks have been posting.  This is one of my favorite threads.

This week I have some photos of the 1690 Lionel-Ives transition passenger cars. For some reason the equipment from this brief era fascinates me.

Same cars in Lionel livery

They also come in red

and blue green

There is also a version that comes with yellow sides and a dark blue roof.  The engine matches in color and looks like the electric outline engine above.  I'm still looking for that one.

Have a Great Tinplate Weekend

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

                                                               

Nice "Hornby" freight cars Fred, you can also find some nice ones replica made by Rob Horton using Wessex Transfer. Cars bodies are original ones repainted and redecorated. Very colorfull models and an opportunity to save junk models.

DCP06131

Have a great tinplate weekend, Daniel

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Greg J. Turinetti posted:

I've been missing in action for a few weeks because of  a vacation and some family commitments, but I have checked in to see what folks have been posting.  This is one of my favorite threads.

This week I have some photos of the 1690 Lionel-Ives transition passenger cars. For some reason the equipment from this brief era fascinates me.

Same cars in Lionel livery

They also come in red

and blue green

There is also a version that comes with yellow sides and a dark blue roof.  The engine matches in color and looks like the electric outline engine above.  I'm still looking for that one.

Have a Great Tinplate Weekend

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

Greg, I seem to remember these 1690 series transition coaches were also available in yellow, but I think only with Ives affiliation. 

Jim O'C

Upstate NY/So VT

You are correct Jim.  I have only seen a few of these cars for sale and I have never been able to catch them.  These photos are from The Ives Train Society web site; a great resource I might add.

 

This is the matching engine, again from The Ives Train Society web site.

Note the blue roof

These transition pieces are most likely from 1931-1932.  Ahhh the things that dreams are made of.  

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

                                                               

Greg and Jim -

Was the 1690-series only manufactured during the transition period, or did they pre-date Lionel's and Flyer's acquisition of the Ives line? 

I have a couple of operator-grade sets of these. They are nice with the low-end O-27 Lionel sets.

PD

pd posted:

Greg and Jim -

Was the 1690-series only manufactured during the transition period, or did they pre-date Lionel's and Flyer's acquisition of the Ives line? 

I have a couple of operator-grade sets of these. They are nice with the low-end O-27 Lionel sets.

PD

Dark red Lionel coaches were made between 1933-'40. The blue coaches were 1939 only. Ives 1690 series were 1931-'32 only, at least as far as the red coaches.

Jim O'C

Upstate NY/So VT

Greg J. Turinetti posted:

You are correct Jim.  I have only seen a few of these cars for sale and I have never been able to catch them.  These photos are from The Ives Train Society web site; a great resource I might add.

 

This is the matching engine, again from The Ives Train Society web site.

Note the blue roof

These transition pieces are most likely from 1931-1932.  Ahhh the things that dreams are made of.  

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

Somebody was selling a pair of yellow coaches on the Bay in August 2014. They needed a lot of TLC. I stopped bidding at $70/pair. Woulda shoulda.

1690-1691 pass pair in yellow 70.00

Jim O'C

Upstate NY/So VT

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Thanks Jim. If the acquisition date was July 31, 1928, then all of these were transition pieces. Interesting to know that the joint-venture was producing new product which it initially associated exclusively with the Ives line. I knew there were a few other pieces similar, but didn't realize it was the case with the 169X-series.

PD

Here is a little bit of information about these cars from Greenberg's Guide to Ives Trains Volume II  O Gauge      published in 1992.

page 104:

"1690 and 1691 Cars, 1931-1932

When Lionel moved the Ives line from Bridgeport to the Irvington plant, they recognized that the Ives rolling stock was dated, and it would be costly to continue using the worn Ives machinery and dies.  Accordingly, Lionel scrapped the Ives designs for new inexpensive equipment.  The new "Ives" 1690 and 1691 passenger cars were formed from a single piece of metal, which eliminated the cost of producing a separate roof. (I am not sure that is an accurate description of the roof design for these cars.)...

This new 7 1/2-inch-long series (both freight and passenger) was introduced in 1931, the first year of Ives production at the Lionel factory.  The 1931 color scheme was yellow with a blue roof, and in 1932 it was red with a brown roof and cream trim....

There are only two cars in this series: a Pullman and an observation car.  There were rumors that Lionel intended to produce a four-door baggage car to go with the series, but none was produced and to date no sample car has been found. (Wow! Now wouldn't that be a find!) "

I couldn't find any information about the red cars or the blue-green cars in this book.  I will have to check my Lionel resources to see what information they can provide.  I assume that this information that Jim O'C posted is from a resource on Lionel.

"Dark red Lionel coaches were made between 1933-'40. The blue coaches were 1939 only. Ives 1690 series were 1931-'32 only, at least as far as the red coaches."

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

 

                                                               

Thanks for that Greg. The two sets I have both have separate roofs. Usually when you find these the litho bodies are in nice shape but the painted roofs have taken a beating, often with the paint having crazed badly over the years.

PD

Greg J. Turinetti posted:

Here is a little bit of information about these cars from Greenberg's Guide to Ives Trains Volume II  O Gauge      published in 1992.

page 104:

"1690 and 1691 Cars, 1931-1932

When Lionel moved the Ives line from Bridgeport to the Irvington plant, they recognized that the Ives rolling stock was dated, and it would be costly to continue using the worn Ives machinery and dies.  Accordingly, Lionel scrapped the Ives designs for new inexpensive equipment.  The new "Ives" 1690 and 1691 passenger cars were formed from a single piece of metal, which eliminated the cost of producing a separate roof. (I am not sure that is an accurate description of the roof design for these cars.)...

This new 7 1/2-inch-long series (both freight and passenger) was introduced in 1931, the first year of Ives production at the Lionel factory.  The 1931 color scheme was yellow with a blue roof, and in 1932 it was red with a brown roof and cream trim....

There are only two cars in this series: a Pullman and an observation car.  There were rumors that Lionel intended to produce a four-door baggage car to go with the series, but none was produced and to date no sample car has been found. (Wow! Now wouldn't that be a find!) "

I couldn't find any information about the red cars or the blue-green cars in this book.  I will have to check my Lionel resources to see what information they can provide.  I assume that this information that Jim O'C posted is from a resource on Lionel.

"Dark red Lionel coaches were made between 1933-'40. The blue coaches were 1939 only. Ives 1690 series were 1931-'32 only, at least as far as the red coaches."

Northwoods Flyer

Greg

 

O'Brien's 6th edition by Doyle. 

Jim O'C

Upstate NY/So VT

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