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Freight cars from Biaggi, a not comon Italian small train manufacturer based in Milano after the second world war. Biaggi has produced many models in O and 1 gauge, and they are considered to be in the spirit of Marklin. Unfortunately they suffer of zinck pest and die cast parts are very often destroyed. Products are not very well known and catalogs are rare to find. I am still searching a locomotive for this little set....
Have a nice tinplate weekend, Daniel
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Some prewar streamliners- Lionel 264-E and a Sakai "Banjo" engine (from Japan, thanks Steve!). A Lionel 2225W tender stands in for the Sakai tender, which I do not have. In the distant background up on the upper level is the LR "Super Rapide".
I picked up the 264-E from the late Jeff Schulze (Jeff passed away just last month sad to say). It was in very fine shape (as were the Sears set coaches it came with), except for a bad gear on one of the drivers. I replaced it using a nice wheel puller that I purchased on Ebay, and now it runs great.
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Great items John as usual. I also have a 264-E and had two drive wheels replaced... sent to a shop for replacement. I would like to be able to that myself in the future. What brand of wheel puller did you get? Also, how did you press the new one on? Thanks
Fendermain
Fendermain posted:Great items John as usual. I also have a 264-E and had two drive wheels replaced... sent to a shop for replacement. I would like to be able to that myself in the future. What brand of wheel puller did you get? Also, how did you press the new one on? Thanks
Fendermain
I got the O gauge wheel puller from PE Design: https://pedesignmanuf.com/wheel-puller-o, who has all kinds of toy train repair tools. Pressing the replacement on was done using a vise, although as I am still learning, next time I will go back to the large C clamp that I have used before. With the 264E I just wanted to replace the one wheel that was bad- I got if off (in pieces), but putting the new one on without damaging the opposite side wheel on the same axle was tricky. I also learned that you had to clean up the axle a bit to remove burrs before pressing the new wheel on. But that's part of the fun- you learn by doing.
Speaking of wheel pullers, at the TTOS meet this past weekend, Larry Pearson showed me a nifty standard gauge wheel puller (see photo below), in fact we used it to get the last of the broken wheel pieces off the above-mentioned 264E (you can see the broken wheel in the photo). perhaps someone knows who made it and if they're still available? This style has the advantage of fully supporting the back of the old wheel.
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Tinplate under the tree...the loco is a square cab Lionel No. 53 from ca. 1915-6 pulling 180, 181, and 182 cars, and the station is a Lionel 114 (1931-4.)
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Here is a very simple clockwork locomotive from the Spanish toy-train manufacturer Rico. I do not have further information on this manufacturer. This locomotive has a gauge between 0 and 1 (about 40 mm), but maybe it was meant to be a floor runner. It is standing on my windowsill for a couple of years now and I thought I make a picture of it. It is lettered for the National Spanish railway company RENFE.
Regards
Fred
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John Smatlak posted:Fendermain posted:Great items John as usual. I also have a 264-E and had two drive wheels replaced... sent to a shop for replacement. I would like to be able to that myself in the future. What brand of wheel puller did you get? Also, how did you press the new one on? Thanks
Fendermain
I got the O gauge wheel puller from PE Design: https://pedesignmanuf.com/wheel-puller-o, who has all kinds of toy train repair tools. Pressing the replacement on was done using a vise, although as I am still learning, next time I will go back to the large C clamp that I have used before. With the 264E I just wanted to replace the one wheel that was bad- I got if off (in pieces), but putting the new one on without damaging the opposite side wheel on the same axle was tricky. I also learned that you had to clean up the axle a bit to remove burrs before pressing the new wheel on. But that's part of the fun- you learn by doing.
Speaking of wheel pullers, at the TTOS meet this past weekend, Larry Pearson showed me a nifty standard gauge wheel puller (see photo below), in fact we used it to get the last of the broken wheel pieces off the above-mentioned 264E (you can see the broken wheel in the photo). perhaps someone knows who made it and if they're still available? This style has the advantage of fully supporting the back of the old wheel.
Don’t forget aligning the siderod mounts and quartering the wheels for steam engines. There are special wheel presses and cups for this. I have done it with a vice, “learning the hard way”. It is part of the fun, but make sure you took your blood pressure medicine that day. 
BTW, I have also pulled a wheel using a flat blade screwdriver gently working a little at a time around the wheel and prying against the frame. You can only do one wheel at a time this way...
George
Lionel 2680, the last variation before toy production ceased for WWII:
Gray paint, blackened journals and domes, no hand-rails. Seventy-seven years ago today, it all began to come to an end.
PD
John, thanks for the information. I've wanted to bid on some things on the bay but did not because of wheel issues. George, thank you for your help as well.
Fendermain
I was playing around with some long exposures last night. The first pic is 3.2 seconds with the 400E stationary. It gave a cool effect to the smoke.
This one is 15 seconds with the 400E moving forward...
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sncf231e posted:Here is a very simple clockwork locomotive from the Spanish toy-train manufacturer Rico. I do not have further information on this manufacturer. This locomotive has a gauge between 0 and 1 (about 40 mm), but maybe it was meant to be a floor runner. It is standing on my windowsill for a couple of years now and I thought I make a picture of it. It is lettered for the National Spanish railway company RENFE.
Regards
Fred
more Rico, the 127 trolley
and a recent passenger set listing on the Bay.
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American Flyer Leftovers
Consider the set below
At first glance it appears to be a set M0 ca 1914. However, a closer look indicates the frame on the Chicago car is a Type III which was introduced around 1914 when Flyer dropped the Chicago litho treatment and introduced #102 which had completely different litho treatment.
I purchased this set many years ago and when the Greenberg guide to AF Prewar came out I purchased a copy and started inventorying my collection. Much to my surprise, this car was not only not listed but shouldn't exist - body/frame mismatch. Given this finding I looked over my car again and found telltale skid marks on the under frame where the body tabs were bent to keep the two together. Since the set is like new I thought this odd but then we were talking 1914 or there about so - who knew.
A couple of years ago a set exactly like mine went up for bid on the bay. The seller was from the west coast and he had split the set into the engine/tender and the car. I tried to get both but was outbid on the engine/tender. The car, however, came home.
It's not quite as nice as the one in my set but it too has the skid marks.
Time has passed and I have met other collectors who have a car like this one. Between collectors and a couple of train meet sightings my tally of these cars is now 11.
American Flyer was well known for using up old inventory in various ways. If I had only my one example I would write it off as a home modification, however, 11 cars owned by collectors in a number of different states is just too many for home modifications which would argue that either Flyer or a Flyer customer put together a manual assembly line and assembled these cars for sale. At this late date about the only way I can think of to resolve this conundrum is to find a boxed M0 set with the set contents matching the train in the first picture.
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Picked up this Paya repro bus last week
and this HWN Great Western clockwork loco
and a Hoge 900 that will probably contribute some parts to upgrade my other units. Chrome is peeling on the coaches but the vestibules are in much better shape and the motor works.
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My offering this week is another one of my purchases at York in October. I am still processing the experience (It was great) and I am finally getting around to processing some of my purchases.
As I was walking around in the Silver Hall with my head on a swivel and my eyes nearly popping out of my head I spotted this box on a table.
Ives was definitely on my list. I opened the box and found a passenger set with with 4 cars and an electric outline engine. I have read somewhere that Ives never cataloged the #60 series cars in a 4 car set. I started taking the contents out of the box and there at the bottom was an original 1926 catalog.
(I love looking at catalogs, either original or reproductions. They can be invaluable when trying to identify items or trace their history. This Ives catalog promises to provide several evenings of reading copy designed to stir the imagination and a desire to have more trains.)
I liked what I was seeing and I negotiated what I thought was a reasonable price so I bought the box. Once I started examining my purchase I discovered with the help of the catalog that it contained No. 502 Electric Train
"The Manager's Special"
As cataloged the set consists of
No. 3252 Engine
No. 60 Sliding Door Baggage Car
No. 62 Parlor Car
and No. 68 Observation Car
There was a 4th car in my box so I checked the page in the catalog that listed separate sale O gauge cars.
And there it is; No. 61 Passenger Car, which is lithographed with "Chair Car" on its side.
It makes a good looking consist.
The set makes a nice memento of my first trip to York and the folks that I met.
Have a Great Tinplate Weekend
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
Greg, great story!
WOW, guys! GREAT start on this thread for the weekend! THANKS to all for sharing your treasures!
Greg fantastic find
Outstanding set, Greg.
OKHIKER posted:A Marx Commodore Vanderbilt repaint with an added smoke unit on my miniature all tinplate layout.
Nice color choice, wrapping paper red?
GREG: GREAT Ives find! Gotta love that ORIGINAL 1926 catalog! ☺
Video from last Saturday.
Scott Smith
Greetings Kibri lovers
Won an interesting lot on Ebay the other night--some hard to find Kibri to go with my stations. Note the load of soup on one of the carts and the wooden crates marked Kibri on another. Probably the most fascinating are the 15 miniature
newspapers--all prewar-- including those from Cologne, Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Lausanne, and New York City.
By the way, we are having a debate about the soup cartons. Did they really come with the Kibri wagon? Were they part of Kibri's toy kitchen offerings? My friend Dirk Hertel remembers eating the "spring", "tomato", and "mushroom" soups. They were not his favorite foods.
Do others in the group have some Kibri loads and newspapers?
Enjoy
Lew Schneider
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LEWRAIL: Those miniature newspapers are priceless! NICE FIND! ☺
Jim Z posted:
Army Navy game Saturday in Philadelphia.
We really need Standard Gauge GG-1’s.
MNCW posted:My #228 on my workbench layout, run through a photo editing app...Riding the Tinplate Rails.
Tom
Wow! That is great...is that section coded Barn Find. LOL
Fendermain
trusty #380 ready for duty
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sncf231e posted:Here is a very simple clockwork locomotive from the Spanish toy-train manufacturer Rico. I do not have further information on this manufacturer. This locomotive has a gauge between 0 and 1 (about 40 mm), but maybe it was meant to be a floor runner. It is standing on my windowsill for a couple of years now and I thought I make a picture of it. It is lettered for the National Spanish railway company RENFE.
Regards
Fred
I will match your beautiful Rico Renfe , and raise you with its smaller Brother from my collection
I have seen conflicting info as to whether this was from the late 1930's and also its from the early post war period, but like you have found getting info on Rico can be tough ... a HO Clockwork Rico Renfe 
I am about to email the Toy Museum in Ibi Spain ( where Rico was founded by ex-employees of Paya Hermanos) hoping to find more information on mine , I will include a picture of yours as well if thats ok and I will see what they have to say ?
Jeff at The Train Tender has the other wheel puller you were looking for.
gftiv posted:Jeff at The Train Tender has the other wheel puller you were looking for.
So he does, thank you. Here is the link for those interested: http://ttender.com/partphotos/index.html
They show two wheel pullers (as well as other useful tools) in the Tools folder, I assume one is O gauge and the other for standard gauge:
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gftiv posted:Jeff at The Train Tender has the other wheel puller you were looking for.
Since you mentioned Jeff...I should be getting my supply of parts tomorrow from Jeff. I had asked him for 5 prewar switcher items that I figured were fairly obscure and he had them all.
Tom
I think this weekend needs a little taste of Aussie in it ... Here is one of my Maurlyn Silver Chief's Made in 1948 , in Sydney Australia . This one is missing the front Bogie at present , but another I have is missing the boiler front pressing but has the bogie , so a quick swap shall ensue at some point and make me one whole one
A lovely Deco 4-6-2 clockwork !
http://collectionsearch.nma.gov.au/object/164602 <-- more info
Ooh hang on , it's ALUMINIUM plate ( or aloooooominum as you yanks say ) ... trots off to find the "aluminium plate forum" 
the donor unit for the front bogie... and tender and carriage ( this stuff bends soooo easy lol )
Modelled after our Beautiful "Spirit of Progress " S series locomotives that were given a makeover in 1937-9 with new bodywork
Fatman posted:I think this weekend needs a little taste of Aussie in it ... Here is one of my Maurlyn Silver Chief's Made in 1948 , in Sydney Australia . This one is missing the front Bogie at present , but another I have is missing the boiler front pressing but has the bogie , so a quick swap shall ensue at some point and make me one whole one
A lovely Deco 4-6-2 clockwork !
http://collectionsearch.nma.gov.au/object/164602 <-- more info
Ooh hang on , it's ALUMINIUM plate ( or aloooooominum as you yanks say ) ... trots off to find the "aluminium plate forum"
the donor unit for the front bogie... and tender and carriage ( this stuff bends soooo easy lol )
Modelled after our Beautiful "Spirit of Progress " S series locomotives that were given a makeover in 1937-9 with new bodywork
Very nice! I like it.
Fatman posted:sncf231e posted:I will match your beautiful Rico Renfe , and raise you with its smaller Brother from my collection
I have seen conflicting info as to whether this was from the late 1930's and also its from the early post war period, but like you have found getting info on Rico can be tough ... a HO Clockwork Rico Renfe
I am about to email the Toy Museum in Ibi Spain ( where Rico was founded by ex-employees of Paya Hermanos) hoping to find more information on mine , I will include a picture of yours as well if thats ok and I will see what they have to say ?
Of course it is OK to use pictures I uploaded here, everything I put on the internet, including everything on my website http://sncf231e.nl/, is free from copyright.
Regards
Fred
Fatman posted:I think this weekend needs a little taste of Aussie in it ... Here is one of my Maurlyn Silver Chief's Made in 1948 , in Sydney Australia . This one is missing the front Bogie at present , but another I have is missing the boiler front pressing but has the bogie , so a quick swap shall ensue at some point and make me one whole one
A lovely Deco 4-6-2 clockwork !
http://collectionsearch.nma.gov.au/object/164602 <-- more info
Ooh hang on , it's ALUMINIUM plate ( or aloooooominum as you yanks say ) ... trots off to find the "aluminium plate forum"
the donor unit for the front bogie... and tender and carriage ( this stuff bends soooo easy lol )
Aluminum should pass for tin. I have heard people call aluminum cans “tin cans”.
Eitherway, maybe we should rename this the “old toy trains” forum? Thanks for sharing!
George
Saw this red painted tin pickup truck ornament at JCPenney earlier this week...with a little "kitbashing"...wheels, back bumper, door handles, etc... it would make a very passable standard gauge piece...just may be a little too large for O-gauge...
Howard
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scott.smith posted:Scott Smith
Looks great Scott.
What are the dimensions of the layout?
Fatman - Aluminum is all good - as a substance used in the construction of "tinplate" trains it shows up here all the time.....for instance...
American Flyer's All Aluminum Cast Zephyr this one ca 1935.
By the way, that Spirit of Progress is one wicked looking mill - I'd love to have seen the real one rolling by.
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Fatman: THANKS, mate for sharing that nice down-under streamliner!
Here are some shots of the tinplate side of my Christmas tree layout
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VERY NICE layout!
That #9 set with those Girard cars looks especially good under a Christmas tree!
Thanks, Art. My original plan was to have the green 390E with Christmas freight cars under the tree. However, once I had it there, I realized that the space is very dark and the train really hides under there especially at night. So it's a better fit to have a lighted passenger set on that loop and the Girard green stands out against the red tree skirt.
When I was a young child in the about 1945, our neighbors below our apartment in the Bushwick section of Brooklyn, NY, invited us down to see their Christmas train setup. I now know it was a #9 two-tone Girard set running on a large oval, and not under the tree. To my young eyes, it was the largest toy train I had ever seen, and it made quite an impression, especially how the roofs came off and you could see the bench seats! It is firmly etched in my memory! So, whenever I see a green #9 set, it triggers some happy memories of that long ago night!
Craignor posted:scott.smith posted:Scott Smith
Looks great Scott.
What are the dimensions of the layout?
I honestly don’t remember what they are. I measured it when we started and forgotten since then.
Tinplate Art posted:When I was a young child in the early 1940's, our neighbors below our apartment in the Bushwick section of Brooklyn, NY, invited us down to see their Christmas train setup. I now know it was a #9 two-tone Girard set running on a large oval, and not under the tree. To my young eyes, it was the largest toy train I had ever seen, and it made quite an impression, especially how the roofs came off and you could see the bench seats! It is firmly etched in my memory! So, whenever I see a green #9 set, it triggers some happy memories of that long ago night!
Art,
My kids, their cousins, and assorted friends have been checking it out already. Chances are someone might be saying the same thing decades from now.
Some photos and videos of my brown American Flyer O gauge Columbia set (3020 electric loco and three brown Columbia passenger cars), with a couple of shots of a Bing electric loco also substituting for power.
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John
Beautiful...thanks for posting.
Fendermain
George S posted:A photo and video to share as I am in the process of setting up my Christmas layout.
Here is my 262 pulling eight cars! What a great engine!
George
Excellent stuff...I love that crane...looks light your repairs are holding up!! lol
Fendermain
Fendermain posted:George S posted:A photo and video to share as I am in the process of setting up my Christmas layout.
George
Excellent stuff...I love that crane...looks light your repairs are holding up!! lol
Fendermain
Yep, I tuned the repair on the spool gear with a Dremel to make it run smoother and also added more grease. I also had to add some JB Weld to the shaft as the gear had lost its adhesion to the shaft. I think it was a press fit, but the cast gear is too old to hold anymore. Now it can hoist that heavy metal LCL container! Fun stuff!
George
Craignor posted:scott.smith posted:Scott Smith
Looks great Scott.
What are the dimensions of the layout?
I measured it tonight 6.5 by 10.5
Scott Smith
Getting STD Gauge boxed and ready to sell at this Sunday’s TTOS SP meet. More to dig out.
Steve
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Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Getting STD Gauge boxed and ready to sell at this Sunday’s TTOS SP meet. More to dig out.
Steve
Is that McCoy and what are you selling it for? Looks like a nice collection.
Scott Smith
scott.smith posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Getting STD Gauge boxed and ready to sell at this Sunday’s TTOS SP meet. More to dig out.
Steve
Is that McCoy and what are you selling it for? Looks like a nice collection.
Scott Smith
Scott, they are CMT-LLC. Most will be $80.00. A few will be a bit more.
Steve
NICE selection! ☺
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:scott.smith posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Getting STD Gauge boxed and ready to sell at this Sunday’s TTOS SP meet. More to dig out.
Steve
Is that McCoy and what are you selling it for? Looks like a nice collection.
Scott SmithScott, they are CMT-LLC. Most will be $80.00. A few will be a bit more.
Steve
i think at this time of year,,,they should be donated to the tinplate homeless shelter,,aka my house,for a dandy tax write off,,,the irs said ok !!
scott.smith posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Getting STD Gauge boxed and ready to sell at this Sunday’s TTOS SP meet. More to dig out.
Steve
Is that McCoy and what are you selling it for? Looks like a nice collection.
Scott Smith
Is that a Dorfan double 413 bridge? Above the home depot box.
Jim O'C posted:scott.smith posted:Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Getting STD Gauge boxed and ready to sell at this Sunday’s TTOS SP meet. More to dig out.
Steve
Is that McCoy and what are you selling it for? Looks like a nice collection.
Scott SmithIs that a Dorfan double 413 bridge? Above the home depot box.
Yes
