A couple of more tinplate LED projects this week. Standard gauge 385E and an American Flyer caboose. Let’s see your tinplate!
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Since I understood that the US government does not like European tinplate I show some American tinplate
Last week I found this Lionel 257 with a 610 Pullman and a 612 Observation on a swap-meet in Netherlands. They are not in a very good condition, but I cleaned/polished them a bit and think they are good enough not to need a repaint.
Regards
Fred
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Fred those look great!
Great posts again this week folks. We are off to a great start.
My tinplate offering this week is an example of American Flyer's #3020 Large Boxcab.
This electric outline locomotive was available in the catalogs from 1922 through 1925 in a variety of colors. She is modeled after the New York Central's T-type locomotive.
(Photo borrowed from Google Images - New York Central locomotive, engine number 1213, engine type ALCO-GE C-C. Call Number OP-13531, from the Otto C. Perry Collection)
My example has had some rough use and shows wear, but the price was acceptable. I think she still looks pretty regal after more than 90 years.
And she still runs.
Have a Great Tinplate Weekend
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
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sncf231e posted:Since I understood that the US government does not like European tinplate I show some American tinplate
Regards
Fred
No, no, no, we love European tinplate so much, we think it is worth 25% more!
George
Got this cattle car this week. I wasn't even aware of it. The red changes tone with the lighting.
Also got this as a project. I already removed some grime. This will get disassembled and completely restored. The roof, ladders and a door are going on another car. The remaining car will get a "photo litho" transplant.
George
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Chris Lonero posted:A couple of more tinplate LED projects this week. Standard gauge 385E and an American Flyer caboose. Let’s see your tinplate!
Awesome Chris!!
Chris is a pro with the LED'S!
Bought this 400E about a year and a half ago from Chris. Flickering led in firebox, and lighting up front.
Joe Gozzo
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Greg those boxcabs are fantastic!
Gentlemen,
Fantastic Tin, Chris the LED's in your Tin are great, will use your picture of the lighted AF Caboose with the LED's, and do a similar job on the one I have coming. Seriously nice stuff.
Greg,
Now that 3020 AF Engine has seen some serious child usage thru the years, hope she still runs great for ya!
Joe,
That engine with all the LED's is fantastic, you are correct Chris does great work with the LED additions.
George S,
Fantastic NYC Box car and good luck with your project Car!
PCRR/Dave
Cleaned up the Training Center HQ Tin a little, it's like brand new now.
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Dave. I would suggest going with the “Mega chip” with the caboose then you can keep the original lenses in tact. I used the regular 5mm led’s on this one beacause I had them in stock.
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Trainlover160 posted:Chris is a pro with the LED'S!
Bought this 400E about a year and a half ago from Chris. Flickering led in firebox, and lighting up front.
Joe Gozzo
Your to kind. I may do the flickering fire treatment on the 385E like I did on yours.
FRED: Never mind our so-called government, keep those beautiful European trains coming! I just recently got back into LGB myself, especially the original German-made at Saganer Strasse! LOL!
Jim Z posted:Ives wide gauge 3241 pulling the MTH Ives circus train. A 191 coke car is used to transport zebras and a giraffe. I placed a 193 Ives caboose at the end of the train. This is a favorite of my grand children.
Love the circus train and your layout! Well done! 
Fred and Daniel: Let's see some more of those fantastic Marklin, Bing, Jouef, Hornby, and others! THANKS in advance!
American Flyer Set 1X the Wolverine - 1927
There's a line in My Fair Lady where Professor Higgins says "..and there are places where English almost completely disappears. Why in America they haven't used it in years."
If Higgins had been looking at this set in the catalog and then seen the set contents he might have been moved to say "...and there are places in the catalog where reality almost completely disappears. Why on page 27 the Wolverine is nothing like it appears."
The catalog cut
The description indicates the engine is "speed governed" No. 11 equipped with a brake and the description and illustration indicates the tender is a #120 and the car is a four window #1120. It may very well be that there were Wolverine sets issued with these pieces but the two sets that I have seen, both boxed, had the engine and tender (the cast iron superstructure has "A.F. 10" cast letters underneath the cab window) which agree with the illustration but both sets had two cars, a #1107 with a railroad name and an unmarked baggage car, and both set boxes were structured so the partitions would accommodate an engine, tender, two cars, and track .
As has been noted, Flyer was willing to change things for customers so I'm guessing the two sets I've seen might be due to a special customer request for something different. When I first saw this set my impulse was to assume it was made for someone who didn't want the Flyer name on the train (in the spirit of the Nationwide sets) but both the tender and the set box state very clearly that the set is American Flyer.
I've checked various and sundry pieces of Flyer literature from the period but I haven't found any reference to this version of the Wolverine and at this late date it is unlikely I will. So, I'll just chalk it up to another made-per-customer-request-set from American Flyer.
The set contents
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Ives 109 semaphore, before and after pictures. The before photo does nor really show how rusty it was.
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Steve,
Looks great now buddy, real nice restoration job!
PCRR/Dave
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Ives 109 semaphore, before and after pictures. The before photo does nor really show how rusty it was.
Field goal Steve! Nice job!
You know that i enjoy trains from USA but today i will stay with French Hornby trains, all models from the 1935-1940 period and clockwork models. At this time the Hornby range was very colorful, much than in the previous years, they are not realistic trains just tinplate toys....
Tinplate Art, thanks so much for your support !!!
And some freight cars to match with those locos,
Have a great tinplate weekend Daniel
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those are great Daniel, thanks!
Chris,
I ordered the regular 5MM LED's from Evens Design for the rear of the AF Caboose, and bought the LED holders for them to glue into the AF original Lenses. We will see if they work out or not. Your AF Caboose with the rear LED's is really cool Tin.
PCRR/Dave
Thanks David. I didn’t realize he had holders for the 5mm now.
Chris,
It's not for the Mega Chip, it's for the regular 5mm LED set up, I think the holders (Mounting Clips) are brand new. If they fit in the AF rear lenses correctly I will Super Glue them so I do not need the hot glue around the LED's.
PCRR/Dave
Daniel: THANK YOU,for sharing your colorful models! Also, a special THANKS to Mr. Butler for his unique Flyer set!
Pine Creek Railroad posted:Chris,
It's not for the Mega Chip, it's for the regular 5mm LED set up, I think the holders (Mounting Clips) are brand new. If they fit in the AF rear lenses correctly I will Super Glue them so I do not need the hot glue around the LED's.
PCRR/Dave
I didn’t think it was for the mega chip I wasn’t aware there was a clip for the regular bulb but that’s a great idea! Let me know if you need any assistance and don’t forget to post some pictures!
Chris,
Roger that I will take some pictures as I do the work.
John,
I do not remember if Lionel built a Bright Green 816 O Gauge Tin Plate Coal Car or not, maybe MTH built a 8816/2816 Coal Car in Bright Green, however I have never seen one on anyone's layout.
PCRR/Dave
John,
I do not remember if Lionel built a Bright Green 816 O Gauge Tin Plate Coal Car or not, maybe MTH built a 8816/2816 Coal Car in Bright Green, however I have never seen one on anyone's layout.
PCRR/Dave
I think mth made one. If not, bright green and brass would look great !
my gowing af o prewar family also.wanted one of these prewar ballast cars,,,a little jb weld,good as new
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JimO'C here's a couple more boxcars from that series. What is interesting is that all of the boxcars have different home reporting marks.
In the photos you posted The International Transport Wagen has Hamburg - which was a major shipping hub.
The Banana Wagen has Bremen - which would make sense since Bananas would have been imported from overseas and Bremen did/does a lot of maritime trade.
The California Frucht Transport has Berlin - my guess for this would be the idea of luxury imports - expensive fruit from California. Berlin would have had enough people who could afford such luxuries.
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pretty sure this is the brightest green Lionel used on the 816
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Steamer posted:pretty sure this is the brightest green Lionel used on the 816
That’s not bad - I will probably have to pay through the nose for one that’s not scratched up though. Mth did make a darker green and brass in the 2009 catalog. Looks like now I have two more wishlist items.
I got this a few months ago from a forum member for a really good price, so keep an eye out.
John,
The old Lionel Pea Green is far from what I thought you really wanted, and they are almost a flat color. I am not sure but I thought MTH did make one a little closer to what you wanted, it is a lot darker and pretty hi-gloss also. Almost like a Forest Green, it's a 2816 Coal Car, I believe it has no Coal Load however. I have never actually seen one on a layout however.
Good luck finding what you want, I actually think the Pea Green Car works well with most any Tin Plate Freight Train, especially nice for the Tin Plate Coal Train you are putting together. Check out the Train shows in your area, you will probably run across one in decent shape.
PCRR/Dave
From the archives, a Lionel 812 that I refurbished in dark green:
A pair of two-packs of MTH LCL's fit nicely.
PD
got the coupler done up on the Dorfan hopper, so now I can run Lionel,Ives,Dorfan,and Flyer, and mustn't forget Marx....can't see the size difference at all.......
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got the motor to my Flyer Royal Blue running. Not much speed, and gets hot to the touch,but keeps running.
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jhz563 posted:Steamer posted:pretty sure this is the brightest green Lionel used on the 816
That’s not bad - I will probably have to pay through the nose for one that’s not scratched up though. Mth did make a darker green and brass in the 2009 catalog. Looks like now I have two more wishlist items.
You can always make your own.
George
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been looking for a beater 816 to do just that...but they are as much as a nice one.
just picked up this beauty for $5, so it can replace the Marx Pullman....after some shop time.
Ok, Dave, your gonna beat me, but I just caught the Dorfan crane on a buy it now....Got lucky I guess. Needs a little work, but the litho on the cab looks good.
Send me an email or text about the Royal Blue motor if you can.
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great deal Dennis! That looks like the hopper I got last week, and I'd like to find a Dorfan caboose like that. I'll find a Derrick.
Added my second Forney piece to the menagerie. Custom Marx in the foreground shows how big they are.
Steve
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Daddy!!!
Steamer posted:been looking for a beater 816 to do just that...but they are as much as a nice one.
Yes, and they are a bunch of work too! Not an easy repaint. You will also find parts missing that are not available.
it would be pretty though!
George
Parts from my project car have been used to restore my Lionel 1719. Rust has been removed and the roof repainted. The color is far from original, but I like it!
The trucks and wheels had a lot of rust. Nickel journals were heavily tarnished. Rust and tarnish are gone, but Evaporust removed the black from the frame. I think the satin black looks right and will protect the trucks.
George
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George S,
That Lionel 1719 Box Car is sweet, one of the nicest I have seen in a long time! Congrats on a real fine restoration job!
PCRR/Dave
Steve "Papa" Eastman posted:Added my second Forney piece to the menagerie. Custom Marx in the foreground shows how big they are.
Steve
Nice Steve, Big difference in size
George S posted:Parts from my project car have been used to restore my Lionel 1719. Rust has been removed and the roof repainted. The color is far from original, but I like it!
The trucks and wheels had a lot of rust. Nickel journals were heavily tarnished. Rust and tarnish are gone, but Evaporust removed the black from the frame. I think the satin black looks right and will protect the trucks.
George
George it was worth the extra effort great car
Looks great George! I'm waiting to see the "project" 1719... Somehow I'm betting it will turn into a beer reefer
Trainlover160 posted:George S posted:Parts from my project car have been used to restore my Lionel 1719. Rust has been removed and the roof repainted. The color is far from original, but I like it!
The trucks and wheels had a lot of rust. Nickel journals were heavily tarnished. Rust and tarnish are gone, but Evaporust removed the black from the frame. I think the satin black looks right and will protect the trucks.
George it was worth the extra effort great car
all hail,the rehab master !!
Dennis Holler posted:Looks great George! I'm waiting to see the "project" 1719... Somehow I'm betting it will turn into a beer reefer
It's funny, because I don't drink much beer. I'm more of a bourbon and wine guy, but beer has so much history and tradition and was linked integrally to the commerce of trains. Whatever, it's fun!
Here's a hint... "When you're out of 'it', you're out of beer." and it's the beer that made a not so famous town famous.
George
Unfortunately, I've been sidetracked with my Scalecraft steamers lately. Also missed out on several 814R and 2814R reefers....that and still waiting for some stuff to arrive from Austria (the Merkur cars).... Give me some inspiration!!!
I need it 
Looks awesome George!
Hi everybody, as many of you know, I have a great fondness for French tinplate. Here is a JEP steamer from the 1930's on a Marklin turntable. Miketg
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Steamer,
Dave the AF Caboose looks like a serious restoration project, go slow and enjoy.
MikeTG,
Now that is a sweet hunk of original JEP French Tin!
PCRR/Dave
Greg J. Turinetti posted:Great posts again this week folks. We are off to a great start.
My tinplate offering this week is an example of American Flyer's #3020 Large Boxcab.
This electric outline locomotive was available in the catalogs from 1922 through 1925 in a variety of colors. She is modeled after the New York Central's T-type locomotive.
(Photo borrowed from Google Images - New York Central locomotive, engine number 1213, engine type ALCO-GE C-C. Call Number OP-13531, from the Otto C. Perry Collection)
My example has had some rough use and shows wear, but the price was acceptable. I think she still looks pretty regal after more than 90 years.
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Have a Great Tinplate Weekend
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
For prototypical inspiration, this may be closer to what you are looking for (a T-3a). Neat loco! Enjoy.
Bob
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OK, I forgot what car I was making and gave the wrong clue. The answer was Schlitz. However, Pabst owns Schlitz now after they acquired Stoh Brewing, which owned the brand.
The photo paper tore a little, because I used my homemade roof. The Lionel 1719 works well for this type of project. I think I can get better with practice.
George
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Great job George I love it!!
Joe Gozzo
Nice job George. I need to get working on mine and finish it up! I'm guessing now you'll be hunting for a few more of those boxcars
BTW, what photo paper do you use?
Miketg posted:Hi everybody, as many of you know, I have a great fondness for French tinplate. Here is a JEP steamer from the 1930's on a Marklin turntable. Miketg
Nice steamer Mike. I too have fallen for the JEP bug in the last year or so.
Dennis Holler posted:BTW, what photo paper do you use?
I am using HP Photopaper Pro Semi-Gloss. I think the semi-gloss matches the Pre-war litho well. A gloss may be too shiny. I have an HP printer and have been using the highest quality setting.
George
Dennis Holler posted:Nice job George. I need to get working on mine and finish it up! I'm guessing now you'll be hunting for a few more of those boxcars
Come-on Dennis! I'm sure yours will beat mine!
I will keep an eye out for the clunkers. There are too many nice ones available
, and I hate to ruin those, at least while my projects are still a ways from being perfected.
George
I acquired this No. 1679 Baby Ruth litho box car with a bluish-green roof and tan doors. It’s possibly a Type V from 1936-38. I was reluctant to restore it to any great extent but the roof had quite a bit of missing paint. After searching various stores here in Australia, I found this paint spray can in the colour of Teal Bean. A quick test spray showed virtually a perfect colour match for the original Lionel bluish-green/teal.
It’s amazing how a shiny new paint job on the roof lifts the whole car.
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that looks great!
O Gauge Guy,
Great Job!
PCRR/Dave
wish I had seen that sooner...woulda jumped on it.
Steamer posted:got the motor to my Flyer Royal Blue running. Not much speed, and gets hot to the touch,but keeps running.
anyone have any thoughts on this? ran a new wire from the pickup, the original had a bare spot that may have been touching the frame...but no change. My ohm meter crapped out, so I can't check anything. The wheels are turning freely, so there's no drag there.
any chance the brushes are too tight or too much spring pressure? Looks like you have it wired right. I just had a #2 KD motor that had the field and brush wires connected in parallel. It ran that way on AC but got hot quick. Once I changed the wiring so that the field and brushes were wired in series, it ran perfectly. Do you have a video of it running?
never had any luck with videos.
The armature moves about 1/8", so the brushes aren't tight. Thought maybe the armature moving was a problem, so I put a couple washers in, no change.Changed the wires around, and the motor changed direction.
Steamer posted:never had any luck with videos.
The armature moves about 1/8", so the brushes aren't tight. Thought maybe the armature moving was a problem, so I put a couple washers in, no change.Changed the wires around, and the motor changed direction.
How clean is it? Have you sprayed it down with CRC contact cleaner? I find that old oil and grease will clog a motor and make it run poorly. How many volts is it taking? If it's getting hot at 14 volts, that's probably a field short. If it's drawing 18 volts to run consistently and getting hot, that's a mechanical problem; something is binding or there's a short to the frame in the wiring.
George
It's flyer so the transformers only went to 12 volts, such as the 9B or 12B. They'll run at 18 volts, but you'll smoke em eventually.
Dennis Holler posted:It's flyer so the transformers only went to 12 volts, such as the 9B or 12B. They'll run at 18 volts, but you'll smoke em eventually.
Right. It's the semi-scale stuff. I forgot. My Flyer is the older stuff. I'd double check the gears then. How does the drive work from the rear? Is that a worm drive?
George
It starts at 14volts....nothing binding.
Lemme compare to one of mine after work if I can find a clear stretch of track....
Steamer posted:just picked up this beauty for $5, so it can replace the Marx Pullman....after some shop time.
You should turn this into a bay window caboose....
It's perfect, just a little longer than the Lionel cabooses and not so oversized...Get a boxcar roof for it and cut some tin for the bay windows... Only problem is I don't think the Pennsy had too many if any Bay windows....
Robert S. Butler posted:JimO'C here's a couple more boxcars from that series. What is interesting is that all of the boxcars have different home reporting marks.
In the photos you posted The International Transport Wagen has Hamburg - which was a major shipping hub.
The Banana Wagen has Bremen - which would make sense since Bananas would have been imported from overseas and Bremen did/does a lot of maritime trade.
The California Frucht Transport has Berlin - my guess for this would be the idea of luxury imports - expensive fruit from California. Berlin would have had enough people who could afford such luxuries.
Also this one from Munich
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Dennis Holler posted:Steamer posted:just picked up this beauty for $5, so it can replace the Marx Pullman....after some shop time.
You should turn this into a bay window caboose....
If I did that...it would turn into this to be prototypicaly correct....
but then I'd still need a Flyer caboose...so I'll just go with this for now...
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Dennis Holler posted:any chance the brushes are too tight or too much spring pressure? Looks like you have it wired right. I just had a #2 KD motor that had the field and brush wires connected in parallel. It ran that way on AC but got hot quick. Once I changed the wiring so that the field and brushes were wired in series, it ran perfectly. Do you have a video of it running?
e mailed you a couple videos Dennis
sncf231e posted:Last week I found this Lionel 257 with a 610 Pullman and a 612 Observation on a swap-meet in Netherlands. They are not in a very good condition, but I cleaned/polished them a bit and think they are good enough not to need a repaint.
Regards
Fred
And here is the 257 running in the garden:
Regards
Fred
awesome Fred!
