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I was very happy to see Mr Muffins is doing some custom runs of the 2-8-0 steam locomotives in the Lionel V2 2021 catalog. I just pre-ordered the L&N. I hope Mr Muffins gets enough pre-orders for me to get the L&N one.

And I am strongly considering the hobo boxcar, though I wish it were offered in more southern railroad options.

Love the Strassburg #90, but the minimum radius and really high price stand in the way for it to happen for me.

Thinking about C-Liner(s) and New Haven passenger cars.  Will need some more shelving .  $500 each for the locos and $150 each for passenger cars is pretty much the going rate from Charles Ro on pre-orders, but they don't charge until they ship, which is the only way I'd pre-order.  Not inexpensive, but not ungodly expensive for a Legacy loco and passenger cars these days.  And not strikingly more expensive than the Premier locos these days from MTH.  And MTH doesn't have the overhead any longer of running a full line, full service train company

Nothing.

Items over the 60’ mark look odd in O scale to me unless you have a large layout to support it. Still waiting for the last delayed offerings to appear. CNJ Kitchen car and Roof hatch C of G.

Going forward, I would have to see new boxcar tooling before I would support these price increases. It would be a “must have” new item never offered in O before. Muffin is on track with items like an EL transition scheme line up and Pats CNJ RS-1 which both should have been offered years ago by MTH.

Thought about the Amtrak units, but don't think I'd be satisfied with the look of the LC versions.   So only thing so far is the special run Southern 2-8-0 from Legacy Station.   Previous catalog I pre-ordered nothing, then after seeing the Southern E8's kind of regretted it, but a local train shop had the set, price was ok.

@paul 2 posted:

I ordered the Canadian National C liner, both numbers. All the Hy cube box cars minus graffitti. And both hobo box cars............................Paul 2

I also ordered a C liner, but only 6705. With a Canadian National F3 pair soon to arrive from 3rd Rail, I had to tell myself to only order 1. Ironically I had ordered the MTH set back around 2002, but cancelled.

Im looking at the FM C-Liner demonstrators

PRR SD45 Superbase unit

EMD Demo Superbase unit

Ford and Ann Arbor Autoparts behemoths

PRR 1890 passenger set.

Im "on the fence" about #90 with red& gold rail logo and 1990's open end passenger set.

Since Murphy is my Gov, I know from experience the PRR and Strasburg RR set will arrive the same time. And thats a 2k hit for The pax sets that I really can't take a hit all at once!

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I want the new BNSF Coal Train Set, the BNSF SD70MAC #9647 (AKA: The Vomit Bonnet), the BNSF Patched BN SD70MAC, the BNSF H3 SD70MAC, or the BNSF SW1200. I will probably just get the BNSF Coal Train Set. The SW1200s are nice, and I could use a smaller diesel switcher on a future layout. Plus the SD70MACs will run on O36 Curves, which is what I have now.

I ordered - ahem - quite a bit (i.e, everything) of S.P. locs ++ from the 2020 catalog.  Great product that works.  Hey!  Product quality is uniformly good.

From this catalog:

1.  The throw-back 773 as I have all previous Lionel 773 offerings (I believe four from 1950 on) and this looks to be beauty in LionChief 2.0.  Does anybody really need more than that?

2.  The 4276 Cab Forward / Grey Boiler.  A beauty!

3.  Possible ... S.P. 4-12-2

4.  Possible ... Grand Canyon set.  Nice.

Great catalog.  Thanks, Ryan and Dave!

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I’m getting the DD35 #77 and a Genesis. I’m debating on the 4-12-2, but don’t know what to think about the exposed wires.

I also preordered a NKP 2-8-0 from Mr. Muffins. Hope they get enough preorders to make the custom runs.

For those getting the C-Liners, what is the biggest draw to getting them? I hadn’t heard of them before this week. I read a little about the engines but wanted to hear from the folks who preordered why you are excited about them. (The demonstrators are nice looking)

First,  I love the catalogs!  For many years, all I could afford was the catalog, it really was and still is a "dream book".  If I could pick one item, it would be the Hustle Muscle Freight Set.  I did get the Great Northern version of the SD45 engine and really liked it.  The freight cars are all desirable, especially the SP&S Caboose.  I have the MTH version of it, but this on has the camera. I tend to focus on railroads that operated in the Pacific Northwest and this set checks all the boxes...

My deepest thanks to the Lionel Team for their efforts to keep our dreams alive during a most challenging environment due to the COVID19 shutdowns.  So, the only way to truly say "Thanks" is to call my friends at Eastside Trains in Kirkland and place an order for this set!  Best,

2021 v2 Hustle Muscle Set

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@rthomps posted:

I ordered - ahem - quite a bit (i.e, everything) of S.P. locs ++ from the 2020 catalog.  Great product that works.  Hey!  Product quality is uniformly good.

From this catalog:

1.  The throw-back 773 as I have all previous Lionel 773 offerings (I believe four from 1950 on) and this looks to be beauty in LionChief 2.0.  Does anybody really need more than that?

2.  The 4276 Cab Forward / Grey Boiler.  A beauty!

3.  Possible ... S.P. 4-12-2

4.  Possible ... Grand Canyon set.  Nice.

Great catalog.  Thanks, Ryan and Dave!

RT, you do know that 773 is the small Hudson?  Not a 773 semi-scale?

I did not find any items of particular interest in this catalog.  I was intrigued by the introduction of a GE P42, but would have been interested in a scale version of it to pull my GGD Amfleet and Viewliners. 

However, outside of a random purchase here and there, I am getting close to the point of train saturation in having accurate models of nearly everything I'm interested in.  I can't believe I'm actually writing that.

Hard maybe on one of the Strasburg no. 90’s. The prices for them are very high, but since it’s a very popular and well known locomotive it’s also anyone’s guess how many of these (especially the paint scheme I want) will stay on the dealers’ shelves when they arrive.

More than likely I will preorder a few of the Strasburg wooden passenger cars however, since I have a good feeling those won’t stay in stock for long when they arrive next year…

SP #4294 Cabforward - Missed this model last time it was released and not missing it again.  Not cheap, but pre-order pricing puts it below what the 2014 release is going for on the aftermarket.

Plus, this model was $1550 when first released in 2005.  Adjusted for inflation, that $2,150 in today's dollars, above the $2000 msrp and way above the pre-order pricing.

May also grab the SP CA-1 caboose and a superbass SD70 but I'll need to see it in person first and I'm sure dealers will order plenty to get one later.

@Will Ebbert posted:

I'll also be grabbing a Cab Forward as well as a BNSF Superbass SD70.

A man with taste!

I'm hoping the SD70mac is from the tooling acquired from MTH.  Lionel's 70mac tooling is quite dated, and MTH's, while not the latest, is much better.

What would be really nice is if anyone could get the rights (or even physically find) the tooling to the K-Line SD70mac/SD75m...

1990's version Strasburg #90 (red roof, pinstripes) is my "Holy Grail" locomotive!  I've been wanting this made for over 30 years.  Not a fan of the heavy price, but it may be a long long time before we see it again, even though the catalog says more variations are coming in the future.  I'm not going to hang my engineer's hat on that!  Luckily I already have the MTH Strasburg wood sided passenger car set.

The "B" list includes:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  PRR and Milwaukee Road SuperBass SD45                                                                                                                                                                                                                            BNSF Coal Train set and add on hoppers                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Tough Guy Gym and Fitness building - (I got a chuckle out of that!)

I like the 2-8-0's but have too many preorders looming.  Same for a UP 4-12-2's, I always liked the big steam but never pulled the trigger on them.

@GG1 4877 posted:

......However, outside of a random purchase here and there, I am getting close to the point of train saturation in having accurate models of nearly everything I'm interested in.  I can't believe I'm actually writing that.

I'm feeling the same way, Jonathan.  Now it's time to reallocate funds towards layout building expenses.  But those darn catalogs and dealer custom offerings keep getting in my way!!

I'm taking a long hard look at the 4-12-2. It hits my criteria of being a cool looking loco and it's interesting in design/history. The three chuffs thing is pretty awesome and very unique. I think I might go for it in the C&O scheme. I like that they offer that fake scheme because it helps me shoe horn the locomotive into the story of my layout. Granted, I don't think that thing could navigate most of the bends around Appalachia.

I’ve ordered the NKP Consolidation from Mr. Muffins. Hopefully it gets made and doesn’t need its smoke/fire boxes repainted out of the box.

If it doesn’t make the cut, my preorders will be zero. Not complaining, but for all the double-secret hoopla around new tooling and the like, I thought the catalog was a bit “just okay.”  

I realize it’s a home run for the Strasburg guys and I’m happy they are finally getting their long-sought release(s).

However, outside of a random purchase here and there, I am getting close to the point of train saturation in having accurate models of nearly everything I'm interested in.  I can't believe I'm actually writing that.

Jonathan

Jonathan, I suspect we all go through that, so I sell off my oldest to make room for the newest and greatest!  

But from this catalog, the biggest disappointment for me was that a long awaited Genesis diesel was in the LionChief line, not the Legacy line.  And I am waiting for the hard copy catalog to arrive so I can see if the Grand Canyon Railway set has cars with the proper Harrriman roofs - I cannot tell from the online graphic.  If so, that is my buy.  Steamer #29, although their generic model, is close enough, with a couple of changes, does a pretty good job of looking like the real item.

After careful consideration, I may take a pass on this one. I'm not a Legacy guy and run mostly conventional and PW so the target for me is something along the Lion Chief Plus 2.0 line and selected rolling stock. The Lionel Lines 773 steamer and the Amtrak Genesis, both in 2.0, caught my eye but neither are must haves.

I usually wait a few weeks to get my hands on the hard copy catalog and give it another once over before the pre-order deadline and then decide. So we'll see.

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@PeterA posted:

However, outside of a random purchase here and there, I am getting close to the point of train saturation in having accurate models of nearly everything I'm interested in.  I can't believe I'm actually writing that.

Jonathan

Jonathan, I suspect we all go through that, so I sell off my oldest to make room for the newest and greatest!  

But from this catalog, the biggest disappointment for me was that a long awaited Genesis diesel was in the LionChief line, not the Legacy line.  And I am waiting for the hard copy catalog to arrive so I can see if the Grand Canyon Railway set has cars with the proper Harrriman roofs - I cannot tell from the online graphic.  If so, that is my buy.  Steamer #29, although their generic model, is close enough, with a couple of changes, does a pretty good job of looking like the real item.

I suspect it will be the same tooling as the Reading cars, so roofs will be wrong for Harriman.

Absolutely nothing...zip...nada.

My attention...even prior to the July 15 announcement...has shifted to the secondary market for past gems.  Which are, IMHO, becoming even more gem-like every day. 

Folks like Pat (Harmonyards) have convinced me that recycling older, well-built/detailed 'bones' is more appealing...financially, as well as technically/aesthetically...than pining for a catalog announcement that increases the heart rate...from desire () OR sticker shock ()!!!

Speaking of the heart...folks like Pat, Alex, Gunrunner, et al, are, IMHO, our hobby's renowned 'cardiologists'.  I'm not sure that the lingering hoopla over TMCC vs. DCS will ever be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.  But, should my favorite vision...Battery Power with DCC...ever gain enough traction to be in their surgical repertoire, I'll have the beautiful, affordable 'bones' for their surgical skills.

And, meanwhile, the conventional performance suffices for my enjoyment.

TEHO, though.  Enjoy the catalog.

KD

@dkdkrd posted:

Absolutely nothing...zip...nada.

My attention...even prior to the July 15 announcement...has shifted to the secondary market for past gems.  Which are, IMHO, becoming even more gem-like every day.

Folks like Pat (Harmonyards) have convinced me that recycling older, well-built/detailed 'bones' is more appealing...financially, as well as technically/aesthetically...than pining for a catalog announcement that increases the heart rate...from desire () OR sticker shock ()!!!

Speaking of the heart...folks like Pat, Alex, Gunrunner, et al, are, IMHO, our hobby's renowned 'cardiologists'.  I'm not sure that the lingering hoopla over TMCC vs. DCS will ever be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.  But, should my favorite vision...Battery Power with DCC...ever gain enough traction to be in their surgical repertoire, I'll have the beautiful, affordable 'bones' for their surgical skills.

And, meanwhile, the conventional performance suffices for my enjoyment.

TEHO, though.  Enjoy the catalog.

KD

Thanks for the reminder to relook the Lionel catalog.  I ordered the CN 2-8-0 limited production from Mr. Muffin and now I have decided to add the Maine Central 2-8-0. So now I will have two 2-8-0 arriving around the same time!

I ordered the Maine Central 2-8-0 from Lionel's webstore, you get them first that way direct from Lionel. However, you do pay full retail from Lionel. But, it doesn't bother me since we do need to support our remaining train companies with new purchases.

I have two loops on my layout and I think both 2-8-0s will look great running side by side around North Adams MA. NOTE: Someone asked if I posted TRAIN pictures. I said I  did but he could not remember seeing them... so

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Badge 109 - Regarding your query about C-Liner 'B' units, I don't see anything stated about them in the latest catalog. That said, this seems to be the practice of  Lionel (and other manufacturers) in the recent past, so it's 'assumed' B units will eventually be forthcoming. However, you know the old saying about when you 'assume'.  

Although I didn't see Ryan and Dave's video unveiling of the catalog, maybe they mentioned something about future 'B' units. If so, perhaps someone on the Forum who saw their catalog reveal will clarify this for you (and me).

@PH1975 posted:

Badge 109 - Regarding your query about C-Liner 'B' units, I don't see anything stated about them in the latest catalog. That said, this seems to be the practice of  Lionel (and other manufacturers) in the recent past, so it's 'assumed' B units will eventually be forthcoming. However, you know the old saying about when you 'assume'.  

Although I didn't see Ryan and Dave's video unveiling of the catalog, maybe they mentioned something about future 'B' units. If so, perhaps someone on the Forum who saw their catalog reveal will clarify this for you (and me).

B units will be coming out according to Ryan.  He mentioned it at least twice.   There will also be additional liveries and wheel counts.  

C liner B units will be in a later release when they do the 4 axle version. None of the currently offered C-liner schemes had B units. They were single A units equipped with passenger steam generators. The 5th axle on the rear truck was added to support the weight of generator.
I would not be surprised if we see super bass B units for roads that had them such as PRR in DGLE for a future run. Don’t quote me on that. It’s just a guess.

@PH1975 posted:

Dj's - Did not Canadian National run C-Liner 'AA' engine sets? I seem to recall seeing CN AA photos while looking through a railroad history book in our local library, although that was a few years ago and my memory's not as good as it used to be.

I’m not a CN expert, but I’m sure they did, NY central would sometimes run an AA set of C-liners. They would also be seen MU’d with a variety of other diesels. I’m a Long Island RR collector and the C-liners on the island were never mu’d. They were used in east end commuter service.

I would LOVE the MEC 2-8-0 but I model two rail and do not want to go through the expense of converting it.  With MTH out of the game I think my days of buying stuff from any of the "big manufacturers" are history.  I may need my train money this year to heat my house, looks like inflation is what I am buying from the Lionel catalog.

Very fortunate nothing there for me.  Have pretty much what I need.  Man alive, the prices.  Simple boxcars (throw ins back in the day) command some big dollars.  Wait until next catalog.  Only want GP7 or 9 in UP to build a 2 or 3 engine lash up.

Didn't they do a UP GP9 a few years ago ?

Union Pacific LEGACY Scale GP9 Diesel #256 (lionel.com)

@dkdkrd posted:

My attention...even prior to the July 15 announcement...has shifted to the secondary market for past gems.

Pretty well saturated here, too. As to past "gems," I'm in that place, also. I have a fair number on that list, more than enough to drain the wallet. Will make exceptions for the right thing, like a Soo Line Geep in their wine red scheme and a LC+2 J. STILL waiting for Lionel to do that one.

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Very fortunate nothing there for me.  Have pretty much what I need.  Man alive, the prices.  Simple boxcars (throw ins back in the day) command some big dollars.  Wait until next catalog.  Only want GP7 or 9 in UP to build a 2 or 3 engine lash up.

@Richie C. posted:

Didn't they do a UP GP9 a few years ago ?

Union Pacific LEGACY Scale GP9 Diesel #256 (lionel.com)

And before that, the No. 28567 UP Scale Legacy GP7.

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Wow, earlier I was going to get an L&N 2-8-0 consolidation but, it was canceled, so another forum sponsor is having the B&O 2-8-0 consolidation steamer made, I’ll get it, and the Erie hobo car and also a at the last minute the #13  USS Safety First SW1200 switcher… Rumor has it that early ordering is the least expensive way to buy these trains. So, get your orders in. Happy Railroading Everyone

@RixTrack posted:

I decided I wanted the Amtrak 46. So that’s two locomotives, the Pennsylvania C-Liner and the Amtrak 46.  According to Ryan there will be super liner cars coming soon.  

I was going to order that same Amtrak loco but have decided to wait. There will be a bunch of newly offered Amtrak items in the next catalog (per Ryan) including the Midnight Blue #100 Anniversary livery. That's the one I want.  I think the next catalog will also have passenger cars and maybe even a set, so I'm holding off so I can see all the new offerings and decide accordingly.

For those getting the C-Liners, what is the biggest draw to getting them? I hadn’t heard of them before this week. I read a little about the engines but wanted to hear from the folks who preordered why you are excited about them. (The demonstrators are nice looking)

Its different from looks to sound. I have the MTH PS2 C-Liner set and love it. The demos with that 3 axle rear truck make it look unique.

@PeterA posted:

However, outside of a random purchase here and there, I am getting close to the point of train saturation in having accurate models of nearly everything I'm interested in.  I can't believe I'm actually writing that.

Jonathan

Jonathan, I suspect we all go through that, so I sell off my oldest to make room for the newest and greatest!  

But from this catalog, the biggest disappointment for me was that a long awaited Genesis diesel was in the LionChief line, not the Legacy line.  And I am waiting for the hard copy catalog to arrive so I can see if the Grand Canyon Railway set has cars with the proper Harrriman roofs - I cannot tell from the online graphic.  If so, that is my buy.  Steamer #29, although their generic model, is close enough, with a couple of changes, does a pretty good job of looking like the real item.

I wouldn't bet money on those "Harriman cars". You want Harriman, its the Golden Gate Depot cars you seek. I have a funny feeling that Lionel will just repaint & reletter Reading RR "turtleback" passenger cars to Grand Canyon

[ex SP] Sorry if I disappointed you.

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@dkdkrd posted:

Absolutely nothing...zip...nada.

My attention...even prior to the July 15 announcement...has shifted to the secondary market for past gems.  Which are, IMHO, becoming even more gem-like every day.

Folks like Pat (Harmonyards) have convinced me that recycling older, well-built/detailed 'bones' is more appealing...financially, as well as technically/aesthetically...than pining for a catalog announcement that increases the heart rate...from desire () OR sticker shock ()!!!

Speaking of the heart...folks like Pat, Alex, Gunrunner, et al, are, IMHO, our hobby's renowned 'cardiologists'.  I'm not sure that the lingering hoopla over TMCC vs. DCS will ever be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.  But, should my favorite vision...Battery Power with DCC...ever gain enough traction to be in their surgical repertoire, I'll have the beautiful, affordable 'bones' for their surgical skills.

And, meanwhile, the conventional performance suffices for my enjoyment.

TEHO, though.  Enjoy the catalog.

KD

I too have been focusing on past gems and upgrades. HOWEVER you have to be carefull as there are some like the

2-8-0 that can't be upgraded and one has limited choices but to sell the old and buy the new. I found this out the hard way...aint that right Gunrunner!

I’ve preordered both of the TrainWorld Exclusive Long Island C-Liners, the Nassau Hobby Center Exclusive Long Island 2-8-0, the 1990’s version of the Strasburg #90, all three two packs of 2000’s Strasburg coaches, and the two Strasburg observation cars. I’ve got some saving to do 😅😂3EC46432-7C9A-466C-BAFD-FF4FFD3F580A

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Well, as someone who had clamored for the GW#90, it was disappointing to see it priced like a Big Boy....if a lot closer to the 2-8-0 that is in the catalog in price, just picked up today (late to party?....no, had called around for discounts), l would have jumped.  Have that problem with the offered GW caboose, too. Too bad, for me.  And l never thought it would be offered

I bit the bullet and preordered the no. 90.

It was definitely a tough choice which version to get, but I finally settled on the retro egg logo version - it’s unique and definitely the dressiest version available.81F774F2-3009-4B64-9313-5381926F514A

I skipped on the wood passenger cars since I have a set of PRR heavyweights that’ll suit the bill fine for now.

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Well, it was a very bad catalog for me (good for Lionel) but as a younger person in the hobby (early 20s), I figure I might as well order it now because who knows the next time it will be made or the availability on the secondhand market in the years to come.

  • Strasburg 90 (2000s scheme)
  • One Strasburg 2 pack
  • Philadelphia and Reading Observation
  • Southern 630 2-8-0 (Legacy Station Custom Run)
  • Long Island C-Liner (Cataloged Version)
  • Long Island Tichy C-Liner (Trainworld Custom Run)
  • 4 LIRR Passenger Cars cataloged
  • NYC Hobo Sounds Car (MrMuffins Custom Run)
  • Southern Flatcar w/ Firetruck

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