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Hey guys

I wanted a a dramatic water crossing on the new section of the layout and have a roughly 6x4 space that needs to be "watered". I don;t want to use Envirotex because of the cost and its a little tough to work with. Woodland scenics seems to have a nice "out of the bottle" solution but I am suspicious of it. What has worked for you?

Thanks,

Don

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Don:

 

I was initially put off by the cost of Envirotex until I found it on the Walthers website for around $64/half gallon kit.  If you look at how much you get in this kit and compare it to the cost of some of the pre-mixed alternatives available in hobby stores, Envirotex is an incredible bargain.

 

I just made the first pour of the river on a new section of my layout yesterday and, other than the smell, the Envirotex was easy to work with.

 

Curt

Don

 

I will second Chris on the "plaster first" technique.  On an area that large, pour the whole thing with a very thin plaster coat.  You want to use paint to get the "depth" of the water effect you are looking for, not the thickness of the model water material. 

 

 This will also help seal the area because all of these water gels will find every pin hole and pour through sending this expensive stuff to the floor of your layout room.

 

I did a couple of small streams on my layout and learned the hard way the above.  I planned it out where I would pour it at a high point and let it run down and look natural!  Nope.  I ended up with several really deep ponds and no streams.....  This sucked up more bottles of this expensive stuff filling in all the gaps and depth than I want to mention on this forum. 

 

Next time I will use more plaster and paint and use just enough of that stuff to make it look wet.

 

I think texture will be the main thing for you to focus on in some small practice areas before you start this area.  In my small stream I wanted a more flat look.  These resins will dry perfectly flat.  In a big river bay like what you are modeling,  you will probably want a mild wavy pattern.  Scenic Express has a water effect product that is basically a clear caulk that is added on top of the resin water.  It will hold a ripple.  I did not do too good with it myself.

 

Steve DeLoach

Hi Steve

Thanks for the advice. I am trying to go for a tidal marsh look like this here:

 

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We live near a tidal marsh here in Scarborough Maine and the water is jet black because of the mud underneath. The mud is a silty stinky black and I think this will look nice in contrast to the green marsh reeds, concrete bridge piers, and silver weathered bridge I have built. The only thing I am a little stuck on is the texture of the water. My good friend and mentor, Ben Brown, has been urging me to create water with texture but I love this "still" look. Though as I look it it now there are some slight ripples in the water.

I am still on the fence here and think I will just get it poured first and deal with it after. The other issue is the bridge is very close to  the viewing edge and most of the broad expanse of water is in the background. So I am not sure it is worth the time to spend texturing such a large area that is really obscured by the bridge and trains.

I am going to focus on the bridge this weekend and forget about the water

My brain hurts.....

 

Don

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Don,

 

The link Bob provided (2nd post) shows various methods, including the Envirotex I used for a small lake, approximately 14x24 inches. And it works fine, but even for this small size I would recommend DennisB's method of using a shower glass; more specifically, Aquatex shower glass. That is what I wil be using for my larger lake, approximately 3 x 4 feet.

 

Bob's link also has a picture of DennisB's method, and there have been several other threads with Dennis' lakes.

 

Good luck!

 

Alex

 

 

 

Don,

I am with you, go for the flat water, looks like perfect skiing water!!!  It will be easy to pour and being black it will be easy to color. 

 

I have read everything I can find on the internet on pouring water and water modeling products over the last week or so.  I am going to go with Magic Water for my river if my layout didn't have a 40 degree temp swing I might use Evirotex.

 

Ken

Don, I like the stll look also nothing wrong with that idea.....
 
Dennis

Hi Steve

Thanks for the advice. I am trying to go for a tidal marsh look like this here:

 

3989_1314159244

 

We live near a tidal marsh here in Scarborough Maine and the water is jet black because of the mud underneath. The mud is a silty stinky black and I think this will look nice in contrast to the green marsh reeds, concrete bridge piers, and silver weathered bridge I have built. The only thing I am a little stuck on is the texture of the water. My good friend and mentor, Ben Brown, has been urging me to create water with texture but I love this "still" look. Though as I look it it now there are some slight ripples in the water.

I am still on the fence here and think I will just get it poured first and deal with it after. The other issue is the bridge is very close to  the viewing edge and most of the broad expanse of water is in the background. So I am not sure it is worth the time to spend texturing such a large area that is really obscured by the bridge and trains.

I am going to focus on the bridge this weekend and forget about the water

My brain hurts.....

 

Don

 

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