What LC+ loco would you like to see Lionel make next?

Those sound good .  

Another scale steamer like an atlantic or mikado (larger than the camelback and A5)

Grampstrains posted:

GG-1

I didn't think of it but that's a great suggestion Gramps.

Tuscan Jim posted:

Another scale steamer like an atlantic or mikado (larger than the camelback and A5)

Considering that Lionel did a scale SD-60 LC+ I think it's possible that they may offer a bigger scale steam locomotive. Do you think LC+ would appeal to the scale guys? I only run semi-scale/traditional/Post War size trains.

I'd like to see a nice fantasy engine painted up for Mickey Mouse's 90th Birthday this year.  Some larger diesel with 2 motors powerful enough to pull a fairly long string of cars. (Dash-9, Sd-70, etc)  Also would be nice since the larger engine allows for a decent amount of graphics on the sides.

Now that Lionel has been doing Disney rolling stock again, it would be nice to have something to match to pull all the recent cars.

Lionel acknowledged that they were thinking about this (no commitment of course, but they are at least aware the Mouse is going to be 90 years old this year! ). Since nothing showed up in the first catalog this year, I'm hoping for either an uncatalogued type of "one sheet" offer over the summer, or some offerings in the 2nd catalog, assuming it comes out sometime in the next several months.

Of course, I'd be happy with this in Legacy too, but for the toy-like nature of such a product, I'd be perfectly OK with LC+  (don't really want it to be LC without the "+" though)

-Dave

A lot of people have mentioned the GG-1 in previous threads. I agree. If Lionel isn't going to make any more LionMaster Legacy engines, I'd like to see the LionMaster Hudson with LC+.

here are my ideas

MK5000C

ET44AC this one seams most plausable because of the BNSF tier 4 set released in C1

AC4400CW

AC6000CW traditional o sized

DD35 A Units and matching B units

really anything CSX Southern Pacific UP DRGW CNW that has not been done in LC+

Oh and some chessie system motive power would be good too

Country Joe posted:

I am hoping for a 671/681/2020 Pennsy Steam Turbine. My first loco was a 2020 and I'd love to have this as an LC+ locomotive with bluetooth.

My other big want is the FT in New York Central.

What would you like to see?

I’d like the turbine and GG1 suggestions. I’d also like to see a Pennsylvania K-4. 

I’d like to see them do a 40 tonner.   I like the smaller switcher LC +.

Easy-peasy.  The "traditional-sized" PRR K4 that came out in the early 2000s.  It's about the same size as a RailKing K4.  Pretty sure Lionel still has the tooling, this would make a great additiont to the LC+ fleet!

My 2nd choice is a bit more obscure... how about a 2037 clone?  Always liked the styling of this loco, and the size is perfect for O27, O31, Plasticville, etc.  But the originals all run much too fast, and struggle to maintain a constant speed.  Lionel made a LionChief Plus+ version of the postwar-styled 726 Berk this year, so why not a 2037 next!?

I like the GG1 idea, ascale Hudson and I’d be in. I’d love a UP gas turbine or coal turbine. A U.P. F3 ABA would be neat too. Lionel, please keep growing the lionchief + line.

c&o streamlined hudson.  perfect candidate for the brass hybrid

How about a heavy or light 2-8-0 or a light 2-8-2 mike.In seaboard air line or maybe a F7 FT.

I’m going to join the GG1 side of this conversation. Also I would like to see maybe a PRR J1 or 6-8-6 in PRR or Lionelines (681 because this was my grandfathers first locomotive).

Country Joe posted:

Tuscan Jim posted:

Another scale steamer like an atlantic or mikado (larger than the camelback and A5)

Considering that Lionel did a scale SD-60 LC+ I think it's possible that they may offer a bigger scale steam locomotive. Do you think LC+ would appeal to the scale guys? I only run semi-scale/traditional/Post War size trains.

I really do. I love LC+, and I also run some legacy scale stuff.  I'll bet there are a lot of folks who feel the same way.  I think LC+ offers a really nice feature set that a lot of folks are quite happy with and I think some larger, scale size steam offerings would sell really well. 

LionChief Plus has one key advantage over TMCC / Legacy:  Radio control direct to the loco avoids the ground plane / track signal issue that sometimes causes TMCC locos to hesitate or stop dead in tunnels, bridges, yard tracks that are too close together, over & under layouts, etc.  Going a bit off-topic here, but I never understood why Legacy locos don't have an optional parameter that tells them "keep going at the same speed until signal is restored."  I mean, if things really get out of control you can always turn off power to the track!

But the current LC+ controller is too simplistic and toylike for the premium price point usually associated with scale locos.  Honestly, sometimes I'm embarrassed to hand it to an adult!  If Lionel can come up with something that has a more sophisticated and precision feel, then I'm in!

Thinking about this great question:  the LC+ fleet is already decently broad, so what is missing?   Sure, favorites like the GG1 (doesn't everyone already have one or two?) or a turbine, I get that.

So far, there are no articulated steamers.  The Challenger is a favorite of mine.   Lionel cataloged a Challenger in 2001 in the LionMaster line.  It is semi-scale and operates on O-31.   Lionmaster Challenger  The tooling has been long since paid for, so the costs would be to set up the production with the existing tooling and modifying the LC+ electronics.   As semi-scale, if would fit with the existing fleet of LC+ locos.   

I have been eyeing MTH's RailKing Challenger for a couple of years, but have held back as the proportions just didn't seem right to my eyes.

Dave45681 posted:

I'd like to see a nice fantasy engine painted up for Mickey Mouse's 90th Birthday this year.  Some larger diesel with 2 motors powerful enough to pull a fairly long string of cars. (Dash-9, Sd-70, etc)  Also would be nice since the larger engine allows for a decent amount of graphics on the sides.

Now that Lionel has been doing Disney rolling stock again, it would be nice to have something to match to pull all the recent cars.

Lionel acknowledged that they were thinking about this (no commitment of course, but they are at least aware the Mouse is going to be 90 years old this year! ). Since nothing showed up in the first catalog this year, I'm hoping for either an uncatalogued type of "one sheet" offer over the summer, or some offerings in the 2nd catalog, assuming it comes out sometime in the next several months.

Of course, I'd be happy with this in Legacy too, but for the toy-like nature of such a product, I'd be perfectly OK with LC+  (don't really want it to be LC without the "+" though)

-Dave

Interesting suggestion Dave. These type of locomotives (Disney, Peanuts, etc) and sets seem to sell well for Lionel as LC. I wonder if they would be successful as LC+.

breezinup posted:

A lot of people have mentioned the GG-1 in previous threads. I agree. If Lionel isn't going to make any more LionMaster Legacy engines, I'd like to see the LionMaster Hudson with LC+.

I'm not familiar with the LionMaster Hudson. How would it differ from the current LC+ Hudson?

paigetrain posted:

here are my ideas

MK5000C

ET44AC this one seams most plausable because of the BNSF tier 4 set released in C1

AC4400CW

AC6000CW traditional o sized

DD35 A Units and matching B units

really anything CSX Southern Pacific UP DRGW CNW that has not been done in LC+

Oh and some chessie system motive power would be good too

All great choices. I'd like to see some contemporary locomotives.

Ted S posted:

Easy-peasy.  The "traditional-sized" PRR K4 that came out in the early 2000s.  It's about the same size as a RailKing K4.  Pretty sure Lionel still has the tooling, this would make a great additiont to the LC+ fleet!

My 2nd choice is a bit more obscure... how about a 2037 clone?  Always liked the styling of this loco, and the size is perfect for O27, O31, Plasticville, etc.  But the originals all run much too fast, and struggle to maintain a constant speed.  Lionel made a LionChief Plus+ version of the postwar-styled 726 Berk this year, so why not a 2037 next!?

A 2037 is a very interesting suggestion. It was probably Lionel's least expensive steam locomotive and many boys had one. 

Tuscan Jim posted:

Country Joe posted:

Tuscan Jim posted:

Another scale steamer like an atlantic or mikado (larger than the camelback and A5)

Considering that Lionel did a scale SD-60 LC+ I think it's possible that they may offer a bigger scale steam locomotive. Do you think LC+ would appeal to the scale guys? I only run semi-scale/traditional/Post War size trains.

I really do. I love LC+, and I also run some legacy scale stuff.  I'll bet there are a lot of folks who feel the same way.  I think LC+ offers a really nice feature set that a lot of folks are quite happy with and I think some larger, scale size steam offerings would sell really well. 

I also love LC+, especially the new bluetooth engines. 

Ted S posted:

LionChief Plus has one key advantage over TMCC / Legacy:  Radio control direct to the loco avoids the ground plane / track signal issue that sometimes causes TMCC locos to hesitate or stop dead in tunnels, bridges, yard tracks that are too close together, over & under layouts, etc.  Going a bit off-topic here, but I never understood why Legacy locos don't have an optional parameter that tells them "keep going at the same speed until signal is restored."  I mean, if things really get out of control you can always turn off power to the track!

But the current LC+ controller is too simplistic and toylike for the premium price point usually associated with scale locos.  Honestly, sometimes I'm embarrassed to hand it to an adult!  If Lionel can come up with something that has a more sophisticated and precision feel, then I'm in!

I agree Ted. LC+ is simple to use and very reliable. 

Ken-Oscale posted:

Thinking about this great question:  the LC+ fleet is already decently broad, so what is missing?   Sure, favorites like the GG1 (doesn't everyone already have one or two?) or a turbine, I get that.

So far, there are no articulated steamers.  The Challenger is a favorite of mine.   Lionel cataloged a Challenger in 2001 in the LionMaster line.  It is semi-scale and operates on O-31.   Lionmaster Challenger  The tooling has been long since paid for, so the costs would be to set up the production with the existing tooling and modifying the LC+ electronics.   As semi-scale, if would fit with the existing fleet of LC+ locos.   

I have been eyeing MTH's RailKing Challenger for a couple of years, but have held back as the proportions just didn't seem right to my eyes.

This is a great suggestion Ken. If Lionel could keep the price competitive with the Railking Challenger I think it would be a great seller. I would love an LC+ Challenger.

Joe, a Lionel LC+ Lionmaster competively priced with the MTH RailKing would be awesome!   I am in for one for sure.

Here is a great video on Youtube Challenger running fast

Here is the link to the MTH Imperial RailKing MTH challenger

Thanks for the links Ken. I have been thinking about getting a Railking Imperial Challenger for a while. The details and sounds of an Imperial loco are better than LC+ but I really like the simplicity and reliability of LC+. Plus I greatly prefer the LC+ drawbar to the MTH. It's much easier to connect and disconnect and I think it's more durable. 

Country Joe posted:

Interesting suggestion Dave. These type of locomotives (Disney, Peanuts, etc) and sets seem to sell well for Lionel as LC. I wonder if they would be successful as LC+.

I'm looking for something a step up from a starter set type of engine.  I'm looking for a bit more pulling power.  Figure something that could pull around 20 or maybe even 30 high cube boxcars (or less if there were operating cars such as aquarium cars or chase gondolas mixed in).

If Lionel doesn't do this, some day (though I've been saying this for years) I'll explore trying to learn some elementary custom painting on my own.  I've purchased some old 6-18226 GE Dash-9s over the recent years with the express intent of maybe someday painting them up for either Disney or Warner Brothers to pull all the rolling stock that's been made with no motive power produced to pull the cars.  Those things can pull plenty with the dual Pulmors, and they are TMCC.

-Dave

Why not some different road numbers of what they already HAVE released??  I have a LC+ PRR RS3 that is a favorite.  I also have a Berkshire- same thing would be a sale to me for sure,  using a different road number and its own remote would be great.  OR-  give us a way to have two of the same ones, but with separate control??

I like the GG1 & CHALLENGER suggestions.

A GS4 Daylight & ATSF Northern , NW J will also get my vote.  I believe there are more hobbyist who run on less than 072 and want classic motive power.

A SP CAB FORWARD & UP BIG BOY are pipe dreams in LC+, I'm thinking.

Modern diesel, AC4400 & SD 70

How about M10000 or a Silver Streak Zepher

The list could go on......

I think a GG1 is over due in this line as well as a Big Boy.  Lionel could get a lot of mileage out of those Lionmaster toolings.

Marty, with UP's continuing work on the Big Boy and upcoming run, a LC+ Big Boy based on the Lionmaster tooling would surely be a hit!

Jushavnfun posted:

I like the GG1 & CHALLENGER suggestions.

A GS4 Daylight & ATSF Northern , NW J will also get my vote.  I believe there are more hobbyist who run on less than 072 and want classic motive power.

A SP CAB FORWARD & UP BIG BOY are pipe dreams in LC+, I'm thinking.

Modern diesel, AC4400 & SD 70

How about M10000 or a Silver Streak Zepher

The list could go on......

All great suggestions. I think the Daylight and the J would be big sellers as would the GG1.

I believe there are more hobbyist who run on less than 072 and want classic motive power.

I agree 100%. My curves are O31 on the upper main and O36 on the lower. Not everyone has a basement or other very big space for a layout and must use tighter curves.

MartyE posted:

I think a GG1 is over due in this line as well as a Big Boy.  Lionel could get a lot of mileage out of those Lionmaster toolings.

Excellent suggestions.

Ken-Oscale posted:

Marty, with UP's continuing work on the Big Boy and upcoming run, a LC+ Big Boy based on the Lionmaster tooling would surely be a hit!

The timing seems perfect for a LC+ Big Boy.

I wish you guys luck with the big steam scaled down models (Big Boy, etc.), but I would have to suspect that the market dynamics for that would be similar to the previous LionMaster models, for which I seem to recall a discussion a few years ago (possibly at a TCA Museum open house during York week) that said there was far too much investment required for far too few sales.

Somehow I doubt the change in control system from TMCC (or Legacy) down to LC+ would alter that too much.

If Lionel doesn't mind fishing, they could put one in the catalog and see what kind of orders it creates, I guess.

-Dave

I am curious to hear from the guys after scale LC+ locomotives. Why not go after the latest Legacy offerings? Legacy locomotives now come with bluetooth just like the current LC+ engines, this makes them compatible with the universal remote also.

Ken-Oscale posted:

Thinking about this great question:  the LC+ fleet is already decently broad, so what is missing?   Sure, favorites like the GG1 (doesn't everyone already have one or two?) or a turbine, I get that.

So far, there are no articulated steamers.  The Challenger is a favorite of mine.   Lionel cataloged a Challenger in 2001 in the LionMaster line.  It is semi-scale and operates on O-31.   Lionmaster Challenger  The tooling has been long since paid for, so the costs would be to set up the production with the existing tooling and modifying the LC+ electronics.   As semi-scale, if would fit with the existing fleet of LC+ locos.   

I have been eyeing MTH's RailKing Challenger for a couple of years, but have held back as the proportions just didn't seem right to my eyes.

"Lionel cataloged a Challenger in 2001 in the LionMaster line." 

They also cataloged it in different paint schemes in 2003, with improved Odyssey among other things, and in 2015 they did a line of Legacy-equipped LionMaster Challengers. These are really nice. Whistle steam and everything. So I doubt they're going to do a Challenger in LC+ anytime soon.

(Yes, there's pretty uniform agreement that the Lionel LM Challengers are much better proportioned than the MTH RailKing versions.)

SGP posted:

I am curious to hear from the guys after scale LC+ locomotives. Why not go after the latest Legacy offerings? 

Well, I suspect because they're more expensive.    

In addition to the other engines, if Lionel can't do a LionMaster version (please consider it!), then a J is way up on the LC+ want list.

SGP posted:

I am curious to hear from the guys after scale LC+ locomotives. Why not go after the latest Legacy offerings? Legacy locomotives now come with bluetooth just like the current LC+ engines, this makes them compatible with the universal remote also.

Because the LC+ are cheaper and I don't need/want Legacy features.  But like you asked, I have preordered some Legacy with Bluetooth engines simply because they aren't available in LC+.  

Grand Canyon Railway

Many have said it before, including me, but come on Lionel, do a LC+ GG-1, I will be a buyer!