What is the correct type of Coal cars to run behind a Class A? I currently run 4 Bay MTH Premiers and I would like to see if 2 Bays are acceptable...
(This is for the Lionmaster Class A just released from Lionel)
Thanks
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What is the correct type of Coal cars to run behind a Class A? I currently run 4 Bay MTH Premiers and I would like to see if 2 Bays are acceptable...
(This is for the Lionmaster Class A just released from Lionel)
Thanks
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Class A's were built in the 1940's and ran until 1959 so any hopper that saw service during those years would be fine. 2 bays would be fine. 4 bays maybe but not those built in the 1960 up for sure. Just check years of service for any hopper you are considering.
I believe, for Class A prototypical operation, there were very few 4-bay hoppers in its days. You would be safer running 2-bay hoppers. Let the experts comment further.
Two bay hoppers would be correct for Class A and Y-6B,Lionel,Atlas and MTH make nice ones.
Mikey
Two bay is a solid choice.
N&W had unique asymmetrical ends on their hoppers....
Unfortunately none of the mass producers of 3-rail made any prototypically correct 2-bay H9 and/or HL hoppers. I am only aware of Yoder making them in brass at as I recall $300.00 a pop!
Now MTH has made 2-bay hoppers that are reasonably close. MTH marker them as HL's. Roanoke between 1949 and 1952 rebuilt the approximate 12,200 surviving hoppers into the H9 class.
Here is a snap of one of these MTH hoppers.
If you look for these keep in mind that MTH made them as pictured and also with the "hamburger" herald. BUT the hamburger herald did not come into use until 1964, long after the steam fires had been dumped.
Ron
Check the N&W Historical Society for info. Here's a link to the archive.
https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/
Jan
The atlas h21 4 bay hopper would be correct but not the mth 4 bay as they are too new. Atlas did 8 numbers of the h21 in n&w
bluelinec4 posted:The atlas h21 4 bay hopper would be correct but not the mth 4 bay as they are too new. Atlas did 8 numbers of the h21 in n&w
Now the H21's were actually Pennsy hoppers leased from the Pennsy!
PRRronbh posted:bluelinec4 posted:The atlas h21 4 bay hopper would be correct but not the mth 4 bay as they are too new. Atlas did 8 numbers of the h21 in n&w
Now the H21's were actually Pennsy hoppers leased from the Pennsy!
Yes they were. And they would be right at home behind a class a. Virginian had a number of them too. Atlas also did them in that scheme
Thanks you everyone, When I ran 4 Bay hopper cars it looked it little weird. I saw a video on YouTube with the real one pulling 100 cars in 87. It looked like 3 bays??? Thanks I will start the search for 2 bays (Railroad won't matter)
I believe that video from 87 was a break in run for 1218 prior to excursion service.
Heres "steam era" video of a N&W coal drag. I think there are two "A"s on the point:
RickO posted:I believe that video from 87 was a break in run for 1218 prior to excursion service.
Probably right.
Heres "steam era" video of a N&W coal drag. I think there are two "A"s on the point:
Helper locomotive on the point is a Y6b, while the road locomotive is a Class A. The pusher on the rear end is another Y class. Also note ALL the 2-bay N&W loaded hoppers.
RickO posted:Heres "steam era" video of a N&W coal drag. I think there are two "A"s on the point:
Nope, that's a Y6b on the head end.
Thanks Hotwater and Jim, I could make out the cab number on the second loco, wasn't sure about the first. Also noted the "point" and "road" terminology.
RickO posted:I believe that video from 87 was a break in run for 1218 prior to excursion servic
"87" like 1987, so where did all the operating steam engines come from in 1987??????????!
PRRronbh posted:RickO posted:I believe that video from 87 was a break in run for 1218 prior to excursion servic
"87" like 1987, so where did all the operating steam engines come from in 1987??????????!
I'm not sure what you mean, but that "1987" video does not show proper/older "steam era" hoppers for the N&W.
87 was the year(1987), sorry
You might want to consider a couple early 20th century GLa coal hoppers. Some ran into the early '60's. Lionel made them a couple years ago.
A lot depends on just what era you are trying to model/duplicate. Regular service steam era would be pretty much all 2-bay N&W type hoppers (which I don't believe have been correctly produced in 3-Rail O Scale, to date), or the 1987 "excursion" era operations with #1218, which is the ONLY Class A remaining.
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