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The title says it all. Bessemer and Lake Erie Texas Type 2-10-4 #643 has not been discussed much on this forum, compared to others, and that's not a bad thing. The Locomotive still sits down in the Rocks. So what does everyone think will happen to it in the end? Scrap?, Preservation? What would be your "ideal," resolution for B&LE 643?

 

This is just a hunch, but I think that in the end #643 will be preserved, somehow.

 

Ideally, I'd see her moved back to Greenville, PA. IMHO, 643 never should have left Greenville, PA to begin with.

 

 

 

 

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Sam, I'm in with you on this old engine, but it takes a lot of money to anything with it. I was hoping that Jerry Jacobson would take another look see. My wife and I were by there a few months back visiting friends/family in the area. I went down to look it over and very sad to say the least. It would be bad, deteriorating in a bld somewhere, but out in the elements, . There is hvy equipment to get it back to the rails for shipment, but then there is the CSX, and unless it would go out on a special car capable of handling that engine, and tender. But anything is possible ......................Brandy! 

Ideally, it would be nice if BLE 643 was moved from McKees Rocks to Ohio for restoration, and ideally someone would have the guts to take on CSX or CN to operate excursions on their mainlines.

 

Practically, however, Hot Water is right: We're beating a dead horse. 643 is physically disconnected from the rail network and unable to be moved out via road. No one with an interest in BLE 643 (save possibly Mr. Jacobson) has the money or facilities to restore her even if 643 could be moved out of Mckees Rocks. Mr. Jacobson, if he still thinks the whole endeavor is practical, is still biding his time.

 

So to answer your question, Bessemer Sam, unless you or someone else out there starts a fund drive to raise the MILLIONS required to ensure a safe future for 643, we'll not by seeing her move anywhere for at least 5-10 years. And even if Mr. Campbell has a change of heart, you still have to talk to CSX.

Originally Posted by PAUL ROMANO:

I don't know what the legal issues are but eventually a person or a group with the proper funding should move it and restore it.

Nice idea but, the current owner has previously rebuffed any and all attempts from individuals that DID have the money, and the wherewithal, to retrieve poor 643. Thus, as stated on the previous thread/threads about BLE 643, until the owner finally passes, nothing will happen with 643. 

Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by PAUL ROMANO:

I don't know what the legal issues are but eventually a person or a group with the proper funding should move it and restore it.

Nice idea but, the current owner has previously rebuffed any and all attempts from individuals that DID have the money, and the wherewithal, to retrieve poor 643. Thus, as stated on the previous thread/threads about BLE 643, until the owner finally passes, nothing will happen with 643. 

Even after the owner passes, it still could go the way of CB&Q 5632 and GTW 5629.

 

Rusty

It's been along time since I've seen her, but at the time I knew the owner. My impression is that it will be the subject of several more ill concieved id3as to run it on branch lines that are too small, with no money to actually make it happen. In the meantime it will continue to rust away until it becomes basically unsalvageable.

Mike CT posted:

Scrap at probably less than $100/ton.  Even that would probably be subject to expensive asbestos removal.  IMO.    

The asbestos should have been removed a long time ago.  If it was still on the locomotive, it would probably be wrapped in plastic and the site sealed off.

Asbestos hasn't been used in locomotive preservation for decades.

Rusty

Even if that Ebay listing had been real, there are one too many zeros in the price. At roughly 500 tons and $100 ton scrap price, at best it's worth $50,000. It has no intrinsic value beyond what it's worth as scrap.

Remember that this steam locomotive is not a good candidate for an excursion engine. It is a heavy, ponderous, drag-era freight engine that has likely never been run faster than 30-35 mph.

I also think it will eventually be scrapped where it sits. The current owner simply will not listen to reason and thinks it is worth many times more than it actually is. He turned down two legitimate offers from the Age of Steam Roundhouse to purchase the locomotive and move it to their site. When he passes on and it falls to his relatives and family to do something with it, the easiest thing for them to do is sell it for scrap and cut it up where it sits. Sad, but true.

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