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OK guys.....some of the comments here are not very constructive.  Frankly, part of the reason why there may be a decline in certain aspects of this hobby is because of the lack of support for providers of product and services.  But that is a whole different thread.  If you all want high quality models in 2-rail, then you are going to pay.  Manufacturers have to produce models that will sell and so if you are not willing to pay thousands of dollars (several thousands) for an accurate to the last rivet model, then manufacturers are not going to produce it.  You will instead see less detailed and somewhat compromised models at prices that more folks are willing to pay.  Anyway, it would be a better thread if some of the "experts" here would make constructive comments with how they would bring a model to market, how much, etc.  While your are at it, think about supporting another segment of this hobby....OGR magazine.  We welcome both 3 and 2 rail modelers and would love to have more submissions of 2-rail modeling!

Some thoughts here:

Re: lack of support for providers - I don't just buy any product because it exists or its of new tooling. I support manufacturers [and importers] who make/import quality pieces that fit my modeling interests. And I actually think the vast majority of 2R modelers don't insist on perfection, just dimensionally-correct and accurately painted bodies/details, with an attempt at road-specific spotting-feature details, all with quality mechanisms underneath. Sunset Models is currently probably the closest to achieve that minus some hiccups.  Same for rolling stock. Lionel has primarily been the only game in town (with exceptions) for bringing out new RTR rolling stock prototypes. While there looks like there has been some recent QA issues with their choice of paint colors, they have also been bringing out quality rolling stock since about 2003, and 2R-converted cars are floating all about the secondary market.

AtlasO's covid-era 2R offerings are interesting. With the purchase of the MTH tooling, it looks like AtlasO has finally woken up.  IMHO, there's just two issues with their strategy. First, they released 2 new tools, but according to what I've read and heard, they are of less desirable prototypes. I'm not sure who chose these and why, but maybe more market research is required going forward to avoid a possible dud.  Second, I've read on this forum they are basing any future 2R offerings on the success of them offering 2R SKU's on the 10-15 year old MTH tooling, now offered with 2R trucks and couplers from the factory. I imagine most 2R modelers that have been in the hobby for more than 3 or 4 years would have bought the 3R versions by now and converted them to 2R with the MTH 2R trucks that were available and kadee mounts that MTH added to most of their line. It is possible they're doing some paint schemes not offered before and hopefully it'll be a hit, but if not, is it the duty of the 2R modelers to chip in and buy them anyway just to support Atlas' attempt to please the 2R market? The free market will decide.  I hope for the best, but I'm not entirely convinced this will go the way Atlas hopes it does. I do appreciate them for trying and hope the new tools are successful as well. If they aren't as successful as they'd hope, I do hope Atlas doesn't throw in the towel on 2R, but do a better job at listening to what the marketplace thinks and work around that.

Re: constructive comments on bringing models to market - Importers need to figure out how to embrace enterprise-grade resin/urethane casting to make new prototypes going forward. 3D Printing can play a part, but probably isn't quite there yet for mass-production. This will remove their dependency on $100k+ tools and allow for smaller-runs of unique well-detailed prototypes. Today's resins are as strong and stable as injection plastic.  The rest of the RTR model manufacturing process can remain the same WRT detail parts, assembly, and painting.  Also, need an idea of prototypes to do next?  Maybe start with what was a success for the likes of ScaleTrains, ExactRail, Rapido, and even Atlas(HO).

Re: OGR 2R submissions - I'll bite...I'm about to move away from my workshop and layout for what may be a long time...can't promise you anything, but can you give five examples of 2R-based article submissions that aren't a layout feature that you'd actually want to publish in OGR magazine?

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@DaveJfr0 posted:

Re: OGR 2R submissions - I'll bite...I'm about to move away from my workshop and layout for what may be a long time...can't promise you anything, but can you give five examples of 2R-based article submissions that aren't a layout feature that you'd actually want to publish in OGR magazine?

Dave....contact Allan Miller for your submissions.  You would be best to email him as well as call our 800 number and wait for his extension.  Thanks!

@DaveJfr0 posted:

Some thoughts here:



But can you give five examples of 2R-based article submissions that aren't a layout feature that you'd actually want to publish in OGR magazine?

Dave,

I have been an OGR subscriber for about 20 years.  I can't give you any examples off the top of my head.  Over the years, however, OGR has published many articles on how to build O gauge buildings, lay track, construct scenery, convert 3-rail wheels and couplers to 2-rail, etc.  The techniques for laying and ballasting track is the same in both 3 and 2 rail.  

The late Jim Barrett's articles about layout construction are universal whether a layout is built in 3 or 2 rail.  Jim wrote about how to construct a lift bridge to cross a doorway at a layout's entrance and how to construct a curved wood trestle, for example.    Bill Bramlage has written extensively about how to build sky scrappers and how to detail buildings.  I am sure that Allan Miller will be able to give you other examples.  NH Joe

2 Rail-Scale • Metro Detroit

I live near two first class 2-Rail Scale Layouts. Detroit Model Railroad Club & Chi-Town Union Station. They both have open houses from October thru April. If you are ever in the area check them out. We also have P&D Hobby Shop that promotes 2-Rail Scale. These are both popular layouts & they use local TV News & News Papers to promote 2-Rail Scale.

The DMRC started in 1935 & in 1975 they purchased the old Holly Theater in downtown Holly, Michigan. They have been building the layout at this location and plan to stay here for many more years. A lot of the members have home layouts. The track is all hand laid & looks great.

Chi-Town is owned by Paul Gribble a retired Ford Motor Executive. Paul got his start with Lionel Trains as a kid and he used to be the President of the DMRC. He owns the building and the building used to be a grocery store. His favorite part of the hobby is running passenger Trains.

Detroit Model RR Club is about a ten mile drive and Chi-Town is about a two mile drive from my train room. Below are two videos from my YT Channel.

https://youtu.be/zfLXSp_ibHI    https://youtu.be/okTYf1tWlbU

🇺🇸 Gary 🇺🇦

@marty track posted:

MENARDS COULD EASILY SWAY  PEOPLE FROM 3 TO 2 RAIL WITH INEXPENSIVE INTRO SETS    YES ???    NO  ???

@Brendan posted:

Look at their offerings; their market is clearly 3R.  I can't see any reason that would motivate them to go in any other direction.

I can see this from both sides.  Yes, pretty much everything that Menards offers is in the realm of "traditional" O gauge items, or at best equivalent to say Lionel's "Standard O" offerings.  That said, when you are getting into a hobby you have to start somewhere, and a RTR starter set in 2-rail, even if it has rolling stock with fantasy schemes and less than accurate dimensions could lead to more interest in 2-rail O overall.

The entry-level offerings from the HO manufacturers were not all that accurate, prototypical, or otherwise... My first set was from Tyco, but that didn't stop me from eventually moving up to Athearn, Bachmann Spectrum, etc.

I understand the thought behind this idea, that Menards could produce 2 rail O train sets akin to HO starter sets that many scale HO ppl started with ( heck N and 2 rail O gauge too started w ho sets as kids), where realism isn't the big deal.

The thing is the HO train sets are produced by the same ppl who make the rest of the HO scale stuff, they are feeding their own market.

Menards main market is the semi scale/affordable/toy train market, so if they built 2 rail O sets they would be acting as a feeder for a market they aren't and most likely won't go into ( 2 rail O as a hobby is scale, detailed stuff..put it this way,Menards doesn't make 3r scale equipment, which is more natural than 2 rail O in a sense for them,so really,really unlikely they would go into 2r O if they don't do 3 r scale even).

Dave,

I have been an OGR subscriber for about 20 years.  I can't give you any examples off the top of my head.  Over the years, however, OGR has published many articles on how to build O gauge buildings, lay track, construct scenery, convert 3-rail wheels and couplers to 2-rail, etc.  The techniques for laying and ballasting track is the same in both 3 and 2 rail.  

The late Jim Barrett's articles about layout construction are universal whether a layout is built in 3 or 2 rail.  Jim wrote about how to construct a lift bridge to cross a doorway at a layout's entrance and how to construct a curved wood trestle, for example.    Bill Bramlage has written extensively about how to build sky scrappers and how to detail buildings.  I am sure that Allan Miller will be able to give you other examples.  NH Joe

Where can I find your article on lift bridges for doorway entrances? Interesting topic for me as I plan on needing it in the future.

Many thanks in advance.

Where can I find your article on lift bridges for doorway entrances? Interesting topic for me as I plan on needing it in the future.

Many thanks in advance.

Digital Subscribers can find the article in back issues of OGR.  The article is probably in Jim Barrett's book Building A Layout that can be purchased on this forum.  I don't have the book so I don't know for sure it is included in the book.  NH Joe

Where can I find your article on lift bridges for doorway entrances? Interesting topic for me as I plan on needing it in the future.

Many thanks in advance.

Digital Subscribers can find the article in back issues of OGR.  The article is probably in Jim Barrett's book Building A Layout that can be purchased on this forum.  I don't have the book so I don't know for sure it is included in the book.  NH Joe

It is.  It's Chapter 5. 

@Strummer posted:

Agreed; plus, I don't see any "self-respecting" 2 railer using the UFO or some such other thing...🙄 😄

Mark in Oregon

You may not want to hear this feedback but this definitely plays a role.  I get to talk to lots of folks about the hobby - many who are new to it and looking for advice.  At least half who are debating 2-rail vs 3-rail make some type of comment concerning the perception they have of 2 railers being curmudgeonly rivet counters. The other common comments relate to the cost and space requirements.

-Greg

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@Greg Houser posted:

It is.  It's Chapter 5. 

You may not want to hear this feedback but this definitely plays a role.  I get to talk to lots of folks about the hobby - many who are new to it and looking for advice.  At least half who are debating 2-rail vs 3-rail make some type of comment concerning the perception they have of 2 railers being curmudgeonly rivet counters. The other common comments relate to the cost and space requirements.

-Greg

I am relatively new to the OS2R side of the hobby (2-3 years)...having been in HO most of my life to 3 rail and now OS2R.  Yes, O scale any variation is primarily more expensive than HO on a loco to loco comparison.  However, is OS2R really that much, if any, more expensive than 3 rail?  Maybe if you are comparing true scale for the curmudgeons versus standard non scale 3 rail offerings...but I paid $1000 for a Lionel Legacy Steam Scale engine used a few years ago and just paid $750 for a used Sunset Brass steam loco with DCC...so I don't understand the cost aspect.  I haven't seen any cost difference in 3 rail vs OS2R.  If I buy brass freight cars, I expect to pay more than plastic freight cars doesn't matter if it is 3 rail or 2 rail.  I just don't see the cost aspect.  Just my opinion, that and a $1 will get you nothing in today's world!

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I am relatively new to the OS2R side of the hobby (2-3 years)...having been in HO most of my life to 3 rail and now OS2R.  Yes, O scale any variation is primarily more expensive than HO on a loco to loco comparison.  However, is OS2R really that much, if any, more expensive than 3 rail?  Maybe if you are comparing true scale for the curmudgeons versus standard non scale 3 rail offerings...but I paid $1000 for a Lionel Legacy Steam Scale engine used a few years ago and just paid $750 for a used Sunset Brass steam loco with DCC...so I don't understand the cost aspect.  I haven't seen any cost difference in 3 rail vs OS2R.  If I buy brass freight cars, I expect to pay more than plastic freight cars doesn't matter if it is 3 rail or 2 rail.  I just don't see the cost aspect.  Just my opinion, that and a $1 will get you nothing in today's world!

Don't get me wrong - I'm not 'arguing' it is more expensive - I'm only reporting on what folks have commented on.  Regardless of the accuracy, if these perceptions are preventing folks from going 2-rail they must be changed for the hobby to grow at the desired rate.

Most folks enter the hobby with the purchase of a starter set for a child.  They want affordability, reliability, easy to set up (plug and play) and variety of add-ons.

-Greg

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I am relatively new to the OS2R side of the hobby (2-3 years)...having been in HO most of my life to 3 rail and now OS2R.  Yes, O scale any variation is primarily more expensive than HO on a loco to loco comparison.  However, is OS2R really that much, if any, more expensive than 3 rail?  Maybe if you are comparing true scale for the curmudgeons versus standard non scale 3 rail offerings...but I paid $1000 for a Lionel Legacy Steam Scale engine used a few years ago and just paid $750 for a used Sunset Brass steam loco with DCC...so I don't understand the cost aspect.  I haven't seen any cost difference in 3 rail vs OS2R.  If I buy brass freight cars, I expect to pay more than plastic freight cars doesn't matter if it is 3 rail or 2 rail.  I just don't see the cost aspect.  Just my opinion, that and a $1 will get you nothing in today's world!

I can’t even say “I’m new” to 2 rail… as I never even heard of it till recently (despite having been “training” off and on since the 60’s).  But, cost is a factor.  I can buy cheap used (post war) lionel and used tube track and be in business at a reasonable cost. The gateway drug to O gauge.  But there is NO new stuff (2 or 3 rail) that is inexpensive really and I haven’t seen any “old” reasonably priced 2 rail despite aggressively looking for O gauge model railroading stuff for the last six months as I jump back in.  Now I admit, I could live in the wrong area (western PA to OH border) as i never heard of 2 rail as a kid, nor now 50 years later and I never saw it then nor do I see it now for sale at local auctions.  Might be coincidence but regardless, lack of availability plus all the new tech does drive up cost should I want to jump in.  Of course, I guess I could join a group (if there were one) and not buy in at all….  ???  Just my two cents which, as you say will get me nothing.

I guess I equate it to the same as anything in today's world,  you can pay as much or as little as the market will allow at any given time.  I have many hobbies and none of them "cheap" hobbies.  I like cars, trains, golf, antiques, etc etc.  A quick search for "o scale 2 rail locomotives" on the Bay of E, I found about 9 locomotives under $300 and most of those 9 under $250.  The same search for "o scale 3 rail locomotives" I found 10 under $300.  For both searches I then drilled down to lowest first.

I am not arguing that either is more expensive than the other...I think they are comparable in price pound for pound.  I equate our hobby to the car hobby (my other passion)  I can get a nice 2 rail engine a daily driver if you will for under $500 including adding DCC to it or I can pay $3000 for a (name an expensive brass mfg) just like I can buy a nice daily driver used Porsche cayenne for $24k or a new Porsche Cayenne for $100k+.  Pick your poison.  Sometimes the hunt or chase is just as important and as fun as just going and buying it no matter the price.

Last example, I promise.  I recently sold some old HO equipment.  Couldn't give one piece away at $18+free shipping.  I waited a week and relisted it and sold it for 5 cents plus $18 shipping....do you think the person told his friends he bought it for $18 or 5 cents?  It's about perception and we need to stop the narrative that OS2R is the most expensive train variation.  My opinion is getting worth less and less.   I have enjoyed reading all the comments.

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In the mid 1990s when I had much less invested in 3rail I had met a few local 2 railers who told me they were in a local 2 rail club. I expressed interest but was shunned as a 3 railer and told I would have to have a 2 rail layout before becoming involved with their club.  In my area there were no train shops offering 2 rail and the products in 2 rail were just not around.  In recent years I have met some nice 2 railers but previous experiences found snobs with snide comments and a closed group.  For me, it was the 2 rail hobbiest and lack of outlets for product that ended interest.   I hesitated to post this but this is frankly my honest experience.

In the mid 1990s when I had much less invested in 3rail I had met a few local 2 railers who told me they were in a local 2 rail club. I expressed interest but was shunned as a 3 railer and told I would have to have a 2 rail layout before becoming involved with their club.  In my area there were no train shops offering 2 rail and the products in 2 rail were just not around.  In recent years I have met some nice 2 railers but previous experiences found snobs with snide comments and a closed group.  For me, it was the 2 rail hobbiest and lack of outlets for product that ended interest.   I hesitated to post this but this is frankly my honest experience.

That was definitely dumb of them.  They should have taken that opportunity to bring you into the fold and away from that middle rail *gasp*.  As a 2 railer, I have gone to shows and when talking to a vendor I say I model OS2R and they almost immediately walk off instead of saying..."here is a nice freight car and some wheelsets and Kadee couplers to convert it over."  Most people unfortunately lack the communication skills or they lack the temerity to be able to communicate intelligently about things that they don't understand/have interest in.  I just enjoy talking to a 3 railer, 2 railer, or someone in HO.  We are all passionate about the same thing...how we get there shouldn't matter. 

That was definitely dumb of them.  They should have taken that opportunity to bring you into the fold and away from that middle rail *gasp*.  As a 2 railer, I have gone to shows and when talking to a vendor I say I model OS2R and they almost immediately walk off instead of saying..."here is a nice freight car and some wheelsets and Kadee couplers to convert it over."  Most people unfortunately lack the communication skills or they lack the temerity to be able to communicate intelligently about things that they don't understand/have interest in.  I just enjoy talking to a 3 railer, 2 railer, or someone in HO.  We are all passionate about the same thing...how we get there shouldn't matter.

Well stated!

-Greg

I guess I equate it to the same as anything in today's world,  you can pay as much or as little as the market will allow at any given time.  I have many hobbies and none of them "cheap" hobbies.  I like cars, trains, golf, antiques, etc etc.  A quick search for "o scale 2 rail locomotives" on the Bay of E, I found about 9 locomotives under $300 and most of those 9 under $250.  The same search for "o scale 3 rail locomotives" I found 10 under $300.  For both searches I then drilled down to lowest first.

I am not arguing that either is more expensive than the other...I think they are comparable in price pound for pound.  I equate our hobby to the car hobby (my other passion)  I can get a nice 2 rail engine a daily driver if you will for under $500 including adding DCC to it or I can pay $3000 for a (name an expensive brass mfg) just like I can buy a nice daily driver used Porsche cayenne for $24k or a new Porsche Cayenne for $100k+.  Pick your poison.  Sometimes the hunt or chase is just as important and as fun as just going and buying it no matter the price.

Last example, I promise.  I recently sold some old HO equipment.  Couldn't give one piece away at $18+free shipping.  I waited a week and relisted it and sold it for 5 cents plus $18 shipping....do you think the person told his friends he bought it for $18 or 5 cents?  It's about perception and we need to stop the narrative that OS2R is the most expensive train variation.  My opinion is getting worth less and less.   I have enjoyed reading all the comments.

Good Chat Andy.  Again, I am learning about 2R so not attempting to posit any opinion beyond my local exposure (and lack there of).  There are 3 “hobby shops” within 30 mins of my house.  NO 2 rail (and again… I had never heard of it so didn’t even realize the absence).  As I am jumping back in (to build a new layout from scratch for the grand babies), I have been aggressive in visiting various estate auctions within an hour of here (both the online and in person versions) and stumbled across NO 2 rail there either (and again, didn’t realize it was absent till all of this discussion).  Lots of HO and O gauge.  A little S gauge.  No G or N or O scale 2 rail at all.

As to cost, you are right it is about perception and my perception is “HOLY CRAP” O gauge/scale model railroading is expensive now that they added all the electronics, etc. (regardless of 2 or 3 rail).  Luckily I am experienced with and enamoured with post war lionel.  I have purchased 4 lionel engines and over 3 dozen cars as well as an entire “modern” (cheap plastic) lionel set and an entire scout set… all for less than $500 (less track).  So when I say availability has made O gauge reasonable… that is what I am talking about.  IF there had been any 2 rail at all, perhaps I’d have looked into it… but it isn’t about whether I can do an online search and find some to buy, it is that there was none being sold locally.  Also, what was available I have purchased over the course of a few months at very reasonable prices as folks either didn’t bid or couldn’t figure out how to fix a coupler, etc. so devalued the sale item.  

I’m really enjoying this whole forum (it is new to me as well) and this discussion in particular.  Learning lots about 2 rail with a slew of questions but… I’ll just keep reading and learning before asking the simple questions that I should already know.  Carry on friends!

@Greg Houser posted:

It is.  It's Chapter 5. 

You may not want to hear this feedback but this definitely plays a role.  I get to talk to lots of folks about the hobby - many who are new to it and looking for advice.  At least half who are debating 2-rail vs 3-rail make some type of comment concerning the perception they have of 2 railers being curmudgeonly rivet counters. The other common comments relate to the cost and space requirements.

-Greg

Greg

That's why I put "self respecting" in quotes; to show it was meant as a (more quotation marks here) "tongue in cheek" remark.

Didn't think I would have to explain, but I guess we read into these comments what we want to... 😐

Mark in Oregon

@Strummer posted:

Greg

That's why I put "self respecting" in quotes; to show it was meant as a (more quotation marks here) "tongue in cheek" remark.

Didn't think I would have to explain, but I guess we read into these comments what we want to... 😐

Mark in Oregon

I know you meant it as tongue in cheek.  If there was any doubt your follow-up post removed it.  But your comment does allude to the fact there is a segment of the 2 rail community that comes across as being standoffish and closed to outsiders - heck, some of the posts on this thread are evidence of the fact.  This is a turnoff to any potential new members.  I realize your community is not alone in folks like this.   I always run the tipple at our shows because I like to interact with folks and there's at least one person at every show who makes a comment about something not being prototypical.  When I engage in conversation with these folks, with one exception, the person making the comment was either a 3RS or 2-rail hobbyist.  The lone exception was an actual 1-1 railroader.

-Greg

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@bigkid posted:

I understand the thought behind this idea, that Menards could produce 2 rail O train sets akin to HO starter sets that many scale HO ppl started with ( heck N and 2 rail O gauge too started w ho sets as kids), where realism isn't the big deal.

The thing is the HO train sets are produced by the same ppl who make the rest of the HO scale stuff, they are feeding their own market.

Menards main market is the semi scale/affordable/toy train market, so if they built 2 rail O sets they would be acting as a feeder for a market they aren't and most likely won't go into ( 2 rail O as a hobby is scale, detailed stuff..put it this way,Menards doesn't make 3r scale equipment, which is more natural than 2 rail O in a sense for them,so really,really unlikely they would go into 2r O if they don't do 3 r scale even).

As I have both 2 and 3 rail O Scale  I am just as happy that Menards  Has produced a Great line of Buildings in Scale at an affordable price.  Their cars are too "undersized " for me, but their FP9 /7  (with a little work) will make a great addition to the Hiawatha Fleet   As far as Menards doing 2 rail , just let Menards do what it does  best .     There are  two other Companies that   could produce 2 rail a  O scale Starter , both in expertise and tooling  , ( Bachmann Spectrum/ Williams and  Atlas) , But without  guarantied sales, or a huge  influx of cash, I dont see that happening.   But there is always hope.

I know it will be hard to find an accurate number, but does anyone know how popular model railroading is (any scale) compared to other hobbies such as R/C cars/planes/boats...or how many people are approximately in the Model Railroading hobby?  Is the hobby in general declining or are other scales growing steadily?  Just curious for my own knowledge. 

I know it will be hard to find an accurate number, but does anyone know how popular model railroading is (any scale) compared to other hobbies such as R/C cars/planes/boats...or how many people are approximately in the Model Railroading hobby?  Is the hobby in general declining or are other scales growing steadily?  Just curious for my own knowledge.

Wonderful questions that I was just articulating to my wife…

Roll the dice and Chills, there are statistics in every thing . When I had my Train shop, I had access to trade publications, that listed demographics , trends ,, ect.  and did it without a computer or the internet , To day with a computer you should be able to access  the information.    You cand also pick up a model railroader from the 90's and a current issue , and compare the amount of advertising  , and the list of listed Hobby shops , then and now , and I think you will see the trend!

@Greg Houser posted:

I know you meant it as tongue in cheek.  If there was any doubt your follow-up post removed it.  But your comment does allude to the fact there is a segment of the 2 rail community that comes across as being standoffish and closed to outsiders - heck, some of the posts on this thread are evidence of the fact.  This is a turnoff to any potential new members.  I realize your community is not alone in folks like this.   

-Greg

"My" community?  Anyone who cares to look at my interests will see that, (like a lot of us here) I have interests in multiple scales; 2R, 3R, S, HO...heck, I even just last week picked up my first Standard Guage loco! 🙂  So as far as I'm concerned, "my community" is really all of us...

I understand the different approaches of "serious" 2railers and the often more "relaxed", sometimes fanciful 3rail people. What I don't understand is the division in O; we're all in this together...I think (hope).

Mark in Oregon

I TOTALY AGREE  THERE SHOULD BE NO DIVISION        WE 2 RAILERS HAVE WHAT WE CURENTLY HAVE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE 3 RAILERS       SCOTT @ 3RD RAIL, MTH ,   COULD NOT PRODUCE THE GREAT MODELS THAT WE HAVE AT THE PRICES WE PAY IF IT WASNT FOR THE 3 RAIL GUYS INTERESTED IN THESE PRODUCTS ALSO    SO WE SHOULD WELCOME AND THANK AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER TO GET PROJECTS DONE AND PERPETUATE THE LOVE OF OUR HOBBY   IM 70 I HAVE BEEN A 2 RAILER SINCE I WAS 15 AND ALL OF THE GREAT ADVANCEMENTS IN 2 RAIL RECENTLY HAVE COME WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE 3 RAIL COMUNITY LETS KEEP IT GOING!!!!

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