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Interiors are fairly easy to make. Scale City has a lot of interior parts. Northeastern scale lumber sells wood seats. Local hobby chain stores such as Michael's and Joanns sell wood, plastic, paper, and all kinds of cheap stuff you can use to build with. Hennings Trains sells the overhead light conversions.

I usually figure roughly $30.00 a car. A little expensive, but more unique than a molded plastic interior.

GGD (Sunset 3rd Rail) did heavy weight pullmans in the paint jobs for the RRs but lettered PULLMAN and in PUllman Green just lettered PUllman.  

They did a !2-1 and I think an 8-1-2.    The 12-1 is 12 sections and 1 drawing room.   I think the 8-1-2 is 8 sections, one drawing room and 2 bedrooms.   

These are full scale cars done in both 2 rail and 3 rail.   There is a photo below.

Golden Gate Depot Model Trains

And if you want to build  your own model, you can still find Walthers Kits at train shows in both full scale and "Shorty" versions that you can build and paint letter specifically to your wants.  

Also on the Walthers, you can easily find "junquers" at train shows that you can rebuild and repaint at very reasonable prices.

 

After reading this thread it seems that there are more Pullmans available than first thought.   I have the set of Pullmans from the 90's Commodore Vanderbilt set, and I have always admired them.  Silhouettes don't both me (after all, at this age I'm just a shadow of myself anyway).  They are sturdy, well made and heavy.

I would think that passenger sets that match the cars to the engine would sell better.  Also, making cars that you can run with any road name would be a disincentive to  a manufacturer.

Alan 

There were two pullmans by the way.    Originally it was all one company until the government made them divest or split.     One part operated the first class cars on the through trains.     These cars were generally the sleepers and parlor cars.     These were the accomodations that the more wealthy travelers used.    The employees that staffed these cars worked for Pullman, not the RR.     I think they still operated cars into the lightweight era.  Pullman operated no coaches or baggage cars or mail cars. I am pretty sure they did not operate diners.

The second business they had was building cars.    They built all kinds of cars I think even in the heavy weight era.    In the lightweight/streamline era they built all sorts of things that included, coaches, diners, sleepers, baggage, mail etc.    These cars were bought by the various RRs.    Pullman had two major competitors that I am aware.   The bigger one was Budd and the smaller I think was ACF.    If you read the history of the building of the streamliners,  you will often see Pullman or Budd listed at the builder of the train cars, and sometimes ACF.

So if you thinking of cars built by pullman, it could be lots of kinds of cars, but if you are thinking of the nice first class cars operated by Pullman, it should only be Sleepers and Parlour cars.

@prrjim posted:

 One part operated the first class cars on the through trains. These cars were generally the sleepers and parlor cars. These were the accomodations that the more wealthy travelers used. The employees that staffed these cars worked for Pullman, not the RR. I think they still operated cars into the lightweight era.

I was quite sure I'd seen Pullman cars from the lightweight era, and just checking real quickly, I found photos of steamlined Pullman cars operating on the Union Pacific and the Pennsylvania. They operated on other roads as well. Interestingly, the Pennsylvania photo I looked at was a Pullman observation car on a Fleet of Modernism train.

I just did a little research and found the first fleet of modernism cars were built for the PRR Flagship trains in 1928 - specifically the Broadway.    the Pullman car operations was spun off to the RRs in 1947 and the last Fleet of Modernism design cars were built in 1949.     In both cases the style of cars built seems to be sleepers and parlour-Lounge cars.    The original observation cars in 1938 had sleeping compartments and observation lounge at the back.

I'm intrigued that Pullman cars were green in the US. British Pullman cars were chocolate brown and cream

Pullmans over here were largely the color Pullman Green for the entirety of the heavyweight era, and across nearly all railroads.  When streamliners were introduced streamlined Pullmans escaped the green and went with the colors and livery of the host railroad and the train to which they were assigned.  As @Artie-DL&W mentioned the Pullman name was redone in smaller letters and was moved to a position still on the sides of the car, but near the ends of the car, instead of large and in the middle.

Finally, as rail passenger service declined, and Pullman exited the business, these multicolored streamlined cars could be found, through reassignments, spread across other railroads and trains, at times even if the colors didn't match.

Mike

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Lets just say the Pullman Company got real huffy when ATSF had Budd build the sleepers for the '37 Super Chief and refused to crew them.   Pullman and ATSF negotiated and the '38 Super Chief had Pullman sleepers and everything else Budd.   Add to that the CB&Q who continued to have Budd build their streamlined trains and crew the sleepers themselves.   Pretty much all the railroads were ****ed at Pullman but they had so much power and influence few crossed them; except ATSF.

I've had the same lack of Pullman car gripe.  If MTH made a new release of scale ones I'd jump all over them.  But in the meantime I found a complete set of the Lionel Baby Madisons a couple of years ago and nabbed them.  It may not be prototypical, but it's nice to leave a set of passenger cars on the layout and pull them with whatever power you have at hand.

@sinclair posted:

I've had the same lack of Pullman car gripe.  If MTH made a new release of scale ones I'd jump all over them.  But in the meantime I found a complete set of the Lionel Baby Madisons a couple of years ago and nabbed them.  It may not be prototypical, but it's nice to leave a set of passenger cars on the layout and pull them with whatever power you have at hand.

I believe Atlas now has the MTH heavyweight molds. Try emailing them. I asked about a 44 tonner and got a reply the next day.

I think MTH has done at least three sets of heavyweights lettered for Pullman and K-Line has done a set plus some single issues.

Pete

Golden Gate depot did a set of heavyweight cars in Pullman Green and TTG as well as the Pullman Standard smooth side streamlined cars that were also TTG.

As mentioned previously in this thread, outside of cars with sleeping compartments and dining cars the Pullman name in the letterboard is fantasy.  Coaches and head end cars would have been lettered for the railroad.  Of course there is the REA equipment for universal head end cars.  However, I can see the appeal of a "generic" set of cars that one could run with any railroads locomotives.

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I have thought about getting some of the "Pullman" lettered cars I have seen, but

with modeling a short line, I am wondering how many shortlines in Beebe and Clegg's

"Mixed Train Daily", ever saw a Pullman car except at their Class 1 interchange...?

It was not unusual for a South Shore passenger train to have an 8-1-2 or 12-1 pool car in a train.  California football fans could ride to a USC-Notre Dame game with the car routed SF-Chicago-C,SS,&SB-South Bend. The car would be spotted in South Bend and used for sleeping accommodations during the week-end then reverse route to California.  John

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