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It appears that the "new" GP38 from WBB is not new tooling nor tooling from the K-Line model.  I thought, when I saw the catalog listing with the HO models displayed, that the new GP38 would have more detail and wire railings.  In fact, it is the old model with stamped steel railings.  Bachmann reintroduced the SD90 in the same way, with upgraded sound and an upgraded price, but no other changes.  Have any of you purchased the new GP38 or the new SD90?  If you have, how was the upgraded sound in those units?  Was it low volume, as in the RS3?  Do you think the new sound was worth the new price?

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To be honest, I've stopped browsing their site or advertisements. If I wanted more expensive engines with better sounds and more scale-like details, I had those options from Lionel, MTH and Atlas. I used to buy Williams because I liked their rugged, postwar-like engines, which came at a fair price for what you got. Nothing new from WBB interests me. I'm mainly shopping the secondary market for the older stuff. 

On the whole, I stay with the used market as well.  The NS Heritage NYC SD90 did appeal to me at first, but I thought I would ask if anyone had purchased it (or the new GP38) and could comment on its sound and value.

 

I am somewhat disappointed that Bachmann did not change the tooling for the GP38.

 

This leads me to believe that the return of the E7 (as promised at the TCA presentation by Bachmann) will have upgraded sound and upgraded price only.

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It appears the new upgrade might just be the sound board. Which is not all bad as we would like WBB to offer Williams like it was. At least a lot of us would. Upgrades mean higher price. The sound board is not bad but the volume is low. One of the Reps at York says it has a volume pot on the board but I could not find it.

I have 2 pairs of Williams GP38's and GP9's. I do wish the rail's were wire but love them anyway. What I am more excited about is the new GP38 blue and yellow Santa Fe. I hope they sell the shell because I will certainly buy some. I'm also liking the plus sound system which was not bad on YouTube. I put a Lionel sound card in one of my dummy's and it works very well. The engines are easy to work on and look pretty good and run great, no complaints here.

Gary    

Gary, I have an old Williams Chessie GP38 with electronic horn only and an old pair of Williams Canadian National GP9 engines (horn only).  As you say, they all run great.  I bought these at bargain prices, so I am a bit hesitant about paying a lot more only for a sound system that might end up annoying me.  I usually end up turning off engine sound in my MTH diesels, but the new Williams has no such option to use the horn without the engine sounds.

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