@The Pullman posted:I agree, seeing more obscure locomotives or pieces of rolling stock would be a fresh change.
some different road names would also be neat... why not some SD40-2s from shortline railroads for a change?
while the original NS didn't have SD40-2s It did have gp38s and a few baldwin engines anyway since i live about a mile from an original NS main how about some stuff from the original Norfolk Southern or Carolina Coastal for that matter
I bet shortlines are more likely than new items because I imagine it's easier to purchase permission to use a color scheme and logo than it is to make new tooling. There is no shortage of shortlines to pick from either!
How about a software upgrade to TMCC and Legacy to allow 3 digit capacity for engines and switches and accessories.
We really ought to have 4 digits so you can do the full road number. I don't have a crazy amount of engines, but I have a handful that overlap ie 4014 and 6914.
It gets harder when you belong to a train club with nearly 100 members and the possibility of over 1000 locomotives. A lot of overlap of numbers. We had to reprogram the Legacy controller with specific numbers assigned to certain "classes " of locomotives. Ie. TMCC diesels, TMCC steam, Legacy diesels, Legacy steam, TMCC accessories, Legacy accessories, etc. Each class has a specific block of numbers that members program their engines to irregardless of the road number. For example my TMCC 611 J has a road number of 611 but I had to program it to 18 because 1 through 17 are reserved for TMCC diesels.
@third rail posted:It gets harder when you belong to a train club with nearly 100 members and the possibility of over 1000 locomotives. A lot of overlap of numbers. We had to reprogram the Legacy controller with specific numbers assigned to certain "classes " of locomotives. Ie. TMCC diesels, TMCC steam, Legacy diesels, Legacy steam, TMCC accessories, Legacy accessories, etc. Each class has a specific block of numbers that members program their engines to irregardless of the road number. For example my TMCC 611 J has a road number of 611 but I had to program it to 18 because 1 through 17 are reserved for TMCC diesels.
For clubs I definitely. An see the need for four digit locomotive IDs. Perhaps we can wish it will show up in a future Lionel catalog
I’m probably the only one interested in Lionel offering an 0-4-0 Steam Switcher, in Legacy with all the cool features and Steam whistle, a great smoke system, high quality can motor, possibly in several famous road names, and capable of negotiating long Ross turnouts, just my want. Great thread.
@leapinlarry posted:I’m probably the only one interested in Lionel offering an 0-4-0 Steam Switcher, in Legacy with all the cool features and Steam whistle, a great smoke system, high quality can motor, possibly in several famous road names, and capable of negotiating long Ross turnouts, just my want. Great thread.
Nope. I would like this too. I like the small steam for my switching operations. That last bit about the Ross turnouts is tricky as heck though. I'm picturing the old slope back tenders though and I bet it would tough to stuff a full Legacy outfit in the locomotive and tender.
I also like smaller steam in general. The Y6b and Alleghenys are cool but the small steam has more play value for me because it can head out on the mainline and do switching.
Remake the KATY SD70ACE.
For us non-scale guys, how about an LC+2 equipped Pacemaker Hudson in red and gray like the Legacy scale version catalogued recently. And, while they're at it, with the old Lionmaster Hudson or K-Line semi-scale Hudson tooling.
I'd be a buyer at $500.
I'm surprised none of the NS heritage units have been offered since the initial release in 2012-13.
Same with Union Pacific's heritage units as well, they were all great sellers too
would like to see an FL9
@leapinlarry posted:I’m probably the only one interested in Lionel offering an 0-4-0 Steam Switcher, in Legacy with all the cool features and Steam whistle, a great smoke system, high quality can motor, possibly in several famous road names, and capable of negotiating long Ross turnouts, just my want. Great thread.
Seconded, if Lionel decided to drop one of the Baltimore and Ohio "Little Joe" docksiders on us this January, that would get an immediate order from me too. They'd probably have to do the same thing they did with the tie-jector and create a companion car to go with it but nevertheless it would be an awesome little engine to have.
since we're getting a lot of norfolk and western stuff and my wallet is gonna be scared how about to really scare my wallet lionel puts out an N&W boxcar that plays "Cargo Movin' People" that song is my jam and if this happens and the boxcar is in my budget my wallet will probably never forgive me
@leapinlarry posted:I’m probably the only one interested in Lionel offering an 0-4-0 Steam Switcher, in Legacy with all the cool features and Steam whistle, a great smoke system, high quality can motor, possibly in several famous road names, and capable of negotiating long Ross turnouts, just my want. Great thread.
I agree, something like a legacy A5 or B&O C16
Train set
MILWAUKEE ROAD GP38-2 diesel-electric locomotive
3 each of MILWAUKEE ROAD open frame bi-level auto racks on TRAILER TRAIN flat cars
3 each of MILWAUKEE ROAD open frame tri-level auto racks on TRAILER TRAIN flat cars
MILWAUKEE ROAD bay window caboose
If possible have the auto racks loaded with 1970's era HOT WHEELS automobiles and trucks.
Andrew
I'd be in the market for another run of Conrail 86' auto parts box cars, 4 or 8-door versions.
Perhaps use of the SD40 tooling to produce some CR SD40-2Rs rebuilt from SD40s in 1993, or B&P SD40-3s.
SD60M tooling could be offered in Carload Express and B&P schemes. Those RRs are running some sharp-looking exCon SD60Ms and SD60Is.
As far as any new models, I would love to see scale 34,000 gal LPG tank cars.
@falconservice posted:Train set
MILWAUKEE ROAD GP38-2 diesel-electric locomotive
3 each of MILWAUKEE ROAD open frame bi-level auto racks on TRAILER TRAIN flat cars
3 each of MILWAUKEE ROAD open frame tri-level auto racks on TRAILER TRAIN flat cars
MILWAUKEE ROAD bay window caboose
If possible have the auto racks loaded with 1970's era HOT WHEELS automobiles and trucks.
Andrew
i too would like my autoracks to fit HOT WHEELS so i can add them to my lionel hot wheels set
When's this catalog come out anyway?
@BillYo414 posted:When's this catalog come out anyway?
I think it's slated for January 14
1. A Tesla auto-carrier car.
2. A Tesla-themed boxcar.
3. Spy v. Spy ... anything!
4. Some scary - and new - Hallowe'en stuff.
5. Accessories!
COIL CARS, COIL CARS AND MORE COIL CARS from the KLine Tooling. First choice Penn Central in three road numbers please.
@2012ford posted:I think it's slated for January 14
thats 17 days away and those 17 days are gonna creep by like molassis
waiting for the catalog is like the longest wait ever.
how do you know that catalog day is the 14th?
@BillYo414 posted:When's this catalog come out anyway?
January 19th at 9:00am it’ll be up to view on Lionel’s website is what Ryan Kunkle from Lionel has said 👍
@paigetrain posted:thats 17 days away and those 17 days are gonna creep by like molassis
waiting for the catalog is like the longest wait ever.
how do you know that catalog day is the 14th?
The days usually don’t creep until after New Years. After that, they creep until daylight savings. However, the catalog will be something to look forward to.
@paigetrain posted:thats 17 days away and those 17 days are gonna creep by like molassis
waiting for the catalog is like the longest wait ever.
how do you know that catalog day is the 14th?
I can't say 🤫
@N&WGuy posted:January 19th at 9:00am it’ll be up to view on Lionel’s website is what Ryan Kunkle from Lionel has said 👍
when did he say this?
probably gonna be in class that day or in Joyner library at ECU when i see it
hopefully there is something for me in that catalog that i can persuade my god parents into letting me order whatever it is probably a genesis locomotive or something Amtrak related like a set with amfleets or superliners
@paigetrain posted:when did he say this?
probably gonna be in class that day or in Joyner library at ECU when i see it
hopefully there is something for me in that catalog that i can persuade my god parents into letting me order whatever it is probably a genesis locomotive or something Amtrak related like a set with amfleets or superliners
He’s mentioned it a few times, most recently in the live stream Lionel did with TrainWorld a few weeks ago.
There’ll be a lot in the catalog for sure! Can’t wait to see it!! 😁
@N&WGuy posted:He’s mentioned it a few times, most recently in the live stream Lionel did with TrainWorld about a week ago.
There’ll be a lot in the catalog for sure! Can’t wait to see it!! 😁
1/14 came from a reliable source today at Lionel. He said barring anything crazy.
There are 2 trains (sets) I would love to see offered:
1) From the movie Unstoppable, a GE AC4400CW AVWR 777, along with the EMD SD40-2 1206. I've seen some videos that feature custom painted versions of these.
2) The train from Back to the Future III along with a 1:48 scale Delorean complete with blinking LED lights. I'm not sure how they would make the smoke change from green to yellow to red, but either way they would sell a million of these sets!!!!!!
@GG1 4877 posted:Here are some FL9s!
Thanks for the pics...one of my favourite loco's
How about the CSX crazy 8’s. I’ve always wanted one, but I’ve heard CSX will not license it.
@TheRambles posted:How about the CSX crazy 8’s. I’ve always wanted one, but I’ve heard CSX will not license it.
This is a Lionel wanted list, but just in case you didn’t know, MTH offered this locomotive.
https://mthtrains.com/20-20995-1
So I am assuming CSX will license it, it’s up to Lionel to make it.
@Carl Peduzzi posted:This is a Lionel wanted list, but just in case you didn’t know, MTH offered this locomotive.
https://mthtrains.com/20-20995-1
So I am assuming CSX will license it, it’s up to Lionel to make it.
Wow, thank you for this. I had no idea.
The biggest challenge with doing that particular road number correctly is that it is a former Conrail unit and has Flexcoil trucks in lieu of the standard SD40-2 HT-C trucks.
@GG1 4877 posted:The biggest challenge with doing that particular road number correctly is that it is a former Conrail unit and has Flexcoil trucks in lieu of the standard SD40-2 HT-C trucks.
And, of course the MTH model has the standard HT-C trucks. Cuts down on model tooling costs. Thanks for the info Jonathan.
how about a lionchief dash 8 wide nose engine from old railking tooling or a lionchief GS4
As a traditional toy train operator i hope lionel puts the traditional goodies up front and the scale expensive stuff in the back this time
@Carl Peduzzi posted:And, of course the MTH model has the standard HT-C trucks. Cuts down on model tooling costs. Thanks for the info Jonathan.
I have a Weaver SD40-2 that I stole most of the parts out of. I am going to use the side-frames on one of my MTH FP45s that is painted in Amtrak as the SDP40F had HT-c trucks. Part of my quest to make it a slightly more accurate model.e
When I did the work on the 3rd Rail / Sunset SD40-2s I was going to use the Conrail details for the CSX version, Flexcoil trucks and all, but interest wasn't there so the CSX ones are former B&O units.
Back to your Lionel wish list!
I would be interested in seeing more 21" passenger car offerings, but I have a LOT of passenger cars as it is. 
@Will Ebbert posted:Surely another run of F40s is in order soon. People need power for their Ski Train cars and I wouldn't mind a Cascades cabbage.
The Lionel F40PH is an excellent model if they fix the issues with the first run. While I am saturated with F40PHs from MTH and K-Line, I would consider that upgrade.
i'm still confused about the release date
i hear the 14th and 19th
now which is it?
@paigetrain posted:i'm still confused about the release date
i hear the 14th and 19th
now which is it?
The 14th came from a conversation with Ryan yesterday.
@2012ford posted:The 14th came from a conversation with Ryan yesterday.
i guess the 14th at 9am then
Has Lionel decided to release the catalog a few days early because of the new command system leak I wonder? 🤔
my biggest wish is a lionchief SP GS-4
The GS4 is like the Shailene Woodley of locomotives both being from Cali and both being absolutely beautiful
i can't own a vision line one so i'm holding out for lionchief or LC2.0
Amtrak motive power 1970's and 1980's with LionChief. Nostalgia decades are marching forward!
I very much like the Amtrak and New Haven versions of the FL9 diesels pictured a few posts earlier. Does that mean they are already recently built rather than "wished for" in the 2022 catalog? They'd sure look good next to the AA set of New Haven Legacy PA diesels I opened Christmas morning! (and the matching 6 New Haven passenger cars scheduled to ship to me in May 2022).
Newly returning to model RRs after 40+ year lull, I am first interested in the trains I have seen the most in real life. But probably as years go by and I read more RR history, I will also look to steam power. Now back to building my track!
@Will Wilkin posted:I very much like the Amtrak and New Haven versions of the FL9 diesels pictured a few posts earlier. Does that mean they are already recently built rather than "wished for" in the 2022 catalog?
Those FL9's were offered by Sunset/3rd Rail a while ago.
Rusty
Thanks Rusty, and funny enough, as new as I am returning to RRs, I had already taken notice of the Third Rail brand and imagined someday getting one of their steam engines. Lots of finely detailed metal and lots of money, that's my impression so far.
16 days until my second christmas
i can do this
I truely understand that the 3rd Rail locomotives are great models and very true to the prototype. At the same time, they are marketed to a higher end group of modelers. While Lionel can be pricey, they are still cheaper then most of the 3rd Rail models, and offer features that 3rd Rail does not (Bluetooth and whistle steam as an example).
I don’t want this to derail the thread. What I am trying to say is that the O Scale market is probably capable of supporting the same or similar models from both manufacturers. I don’t believe Lionel and 3rd Rail are necessarily competing for the same buyers.
Just my two cents.
@Carl Peduzzi posted:I truely understand that the 3rd Rail locomotives are great models and very true to the prototype. At the same time, they are marketed to a higher end group of modelers. While Lionel can be pricey, they are still cheaper then most of the 3rd Rail models, and offer features that 3rd Rail does not (Bluetooth and whistle steam as an example).
I don’t want this to derail the thread. What I am trying to say is that the O Scale market is probably capable of supporting the same or similar models from both manufacturers. I don’t believe Lionel and 3rd Rail are necessarily competing for the same buyers.
Just my two cents.
Agreed. Most of the 3rd rail have fixed pilots, which require o72, which most of us don’t have.
@paigetrain posted:16 days until my second christmas
i can do this
And people say that "Catalogs don't matter anymore." Ha 
@Madockawando posted:And people say that "Catalogs don't matter anymore." Ha
the catalogs have always mattered to me atleast
sometimes i actually take them to school and show them to my friends and teachers too
Despite the digital catalogs being convenient anywhere, there is always something nice about turning the pages of a physical catalog.
Even when I look at the catalog online first, I still look forward to getting the physical copy from my local hobby shop.
@Madockawando posted:And people say that "Catalogs don't matter anymore." Ha
The catalog/digital catalog is my favorite format followed by menards teasers. The mth format creates no suspense.
@Carl Peduzzi posted:Despite the digital catalogs being convenient anywhere, there is always something nice about turning the pages of a physical catalog.
Even when I look at the catalog online first, I still look forward to getting the physical copy from my local hobby shop.
Me too! I love paper catalogs as well!
RPO car for O36 track layout
@Madockawando posted:Me too! I love paper catalogs as well!
I love paper but being at the point of saturation I recently recycled all my Klambach train magazines going back to the 1940's and purchased a digital subscription. I just don't have the room for it!
i plan on getting a hard copy shipped to my house since my shop is in Raleigh
15 days to go
i will be calling my hobby shop after i view the catalog on line
13 days to go
i suspect the catalog will be live at 9am
hopefully i can actually preorder something even if its small
@paigetrain posted:13 days to go
i suspect the catalog will be live at 9am
hopefully i can actually preorder something even if its small
My first pre order went well. If they make North Pole central scale caboose or a chessie sd70, I’ll have to bite. A rerun of the polar railroad sd80, but in lionmaster size is something else I’d probably purchase.
Southern Pacific MT5 with Skyline casing and correct tender. SP GP 7 or 9 Black Widow with correct SP lighting package.
I'd love to see a New Haven I-5 and/or a streamlined B&O P7.
My list
Alco Century 628
DS 4-4-1000
GP 38-2
U 33B
Scale Budd cars
Number 4 or 6 fast track switches
Tom 41miles
I'd like the Legacy 2-6-0 (without problems.... lol) or FM H16-44 re-catalogued. Love small legacy steam. Wouldn't say no to something new in small steam either.
Another Mogul would be awesome!
100% agree with SIRT. Not a hater but the last 14 Lionel boxcars I purchased have couplers that will not couple or stay coupled, many have detail parts just laying in the box or falling off. Quality Control PLEASE!
Not to deviate off topic, but it seems to me the recent boxcars such as the roof hatch cars are made of styrene instead of ABS. I think it's old Weaver tooling, so that makes sense, but it just feels flimsy, QC issues aside.
11 days to go
how about some vert a pac auto racks
Great northern sky blue FP45
Would love some Reading Railroad trailers on a flatcar or even separately.
Reading and Northern SW8.
A Reading Crewsounds caboose.
Some new-tooled Strasburg passenger cars including the open air Hello Dolly.
Too soon? ;-)
A lionchief CXS 3194 law enforcement locomotive and matching set would be cool! I think lionel could really have some fun with that and accessories to match.
I also think it would be wonderful to see some older MTH tooling reused in Legacy locomotives in the new catalog.
@N&WGuy posted:Or perhaps some Legacy New Haven EP-5 electrics using old MTH Premier tooling (if acquired too) with catenary arching effects on the pantographs!
The challenge with the MTH tooling is that it is not proportioned correctly. I do not think MTH sold the tooling for their electrics yet. The K-Line EP5 was nearly spot on. Sadly, that tooling is either gone or sitting in the corner of the Kader factory
A durable, low tech 2-8-0.
Almost every railroad had them.
JohnA
I suspect we will see one former MTH engine and a couple cars per catalog. Any more than that and it would just be an MTH catalog for all interns and purposes.
How about some new engine sound sets for EMD diesels. This one-size-fits-all sound set used for like 10 years now on everything from the SD70ACe to the SD40 was never even close to as accurate as what MTH put in their PS3 1970s - present EMDs. The shame is that for all the money and effort Lionel has put into some great tooling for newer EMDs, they seriously hurt the appeal with poor or inaccurate sounds.
I know not everyone cares about this, but if you can't hear the clear difference between the 710 prime mover in a 70Ace and a 645 in an SD40, you need to get your ears checked! MTH knew the difference and the 2-rail O/HO/N/DCC guys are downright spoiled on sound accuracy.
Surely it wouldn't be too difficult to find a short line or museum with an operating SD40 or GP40 that a sound set could be recorded off of for a generic 645. A 710 might take a little more work, being newer, but there are plenty of 60/70 model EMDs around.
I could point out that the SD45 and SD80mac (both excellent models from Lionel) have 20 cylinder variants of their 645 and 710, respectively, and sound a bit unique compared to the more common 16 cylinder models, but I don't want to ask for too much...
An even cheaper option would be to allow the end user to change sounds like DCS and DCC allows.
And on the topic of sounds, why in the world when Lionel had a fantastic and accurate ES44-style K5HL horn in their die cast and heritage ES44 runs did they not put this horn on any of their later runs??
@N&WGuy posted:Or perhaps some Legacy New Haven EP-5 electrics using old MTH Premier tooling (if acquired too) with catenary arching effects on the pantographs!
I originally expected them to use the K-Line tooling of that engine.
Woody, I fully agree about the sounds. The decoders available in other scales these days are unbelievable. In addition to having the correct prime mover it would be neat to have a broader selection of horns and bells. The recent 5 option horn/ bell is a start, but a lot of them are just the same recording at a different pitch. It would be amazing to be able to select various real horns (K5LLA, P5, RS3L, etc). With Bluetooth you could do it all from your phone on the app. Would be a game changer.
All Union Pacific Steam 4014, 3985 and 844 with the water tenders and 21" Passenger Cars
@Catonsville Central Railway posted:How about some new engine sound sets for EMD diesels. This one-size-fits-all sound set used for like 10 years now on everything from the SD70ACe to the SD40 was never even close to as accurate as what MTH put in their PS3 1970s - present EMDs.
IIRC, a podcast that discusses trains interviewed OGR Forum's very own @Hot Water about that and he was instrumental in helping MTH get accurate recordings - with turbocharged and non-turbocharged engines getting the correct sounds.
I will say that the Legacy F3s I have sound quite good - especially when creeping along slowly with all the environmental squeaks, groans, and rattles.
@rplst8 posted:IIRC, a podcast that discusses trains interviewed OGR Forum's very own @Hot Water about that and he was instrumental in helping MTH get accurate recordings - with turbocharged and non-turbocharged engines getting the correct sounds.
I will say that the Legacy F3s I have sound quite good - especially when creeping along slowly with all the environmental squeaks, groans, and rattles.
I didn't know that, but I must commend them on getting it right! I'm with you on the F3s. For that matter, Lionel has a few EMD 567 sound sets that are great that they use on the early EMD power.
Will, I agree with you on the horns as well. It's one thing when they would have to go take a fresh recording, say an actual K5LLA for their SD70ACe. But it's a whole different head-scratching matter when they already possess perfect recordings and choose to use terrible computer-generated or just inaccurate ones instead.
I already gave the example of the great K5HL from the die-cast and NS Heritage ES44s being dumped for the genset horn. Another would be using that awful, weird horn on the AC6000s when they had a near-perfect CSX K5LA they used on the SuperBass AC6000 back in 2011:
LionChief Plus 2.0 N&W J.
Jon 
I’d like to see a 2-8-0 Consolidation in New Hope & Ivyland #40 livery.
These will never happen but I’d love to see…
Milwaukee Road Hiawatha 4-4-2 that runs on O-36 curves. Passenger cars too!
F59 - fantasy themed - Santa Fe, Milwaukee Road Hiawatha, Blue Comet, Union Pacific, NASA, etc.
Disney Railroad 4-4-0 passenger set based on Disneyland and Walt Disney World railroads.
Valley Railroad LionChief Plus 2.0 Set:
1. LionChief Plus 2.0 2-8-2 "Baby Mike" coupled with the tender from the 0-8-0 starter sets lettered "NEW HAVEN".
2. Two green Baby Madison coaches lettered "Connecticut Valley"
3. One green Baby Madison Observation Car lettered "Pullman", named "Great Republic" under the windows.
Jon
@TTOCMike posted:These will never happen but I’d love to see…
Milwaukee Road Hiawatha 4-4-2 that runs on O-36 curves. Passenger cars too!
F59 - fantasy themed - Santa Fe, Milwaukee Road Hiawatha, Blue Comet, Union Pacific, NASA, etc.
Disney Railroad 4-4-0 passenger set based on Disneyland and Walt Disney World railroads.
Count me in for the Disneyland/Disney World Railroad sets! Considering all the Disney starter sets, I’m surprised they’ve never done an authentic Disney park train.
@TTOCMike posted:These will never happen but I’d love to see…
Milwaukee Road Hiawatha 4-4-2 that runs on O-36 curves. Passenger cars too!
..
Disney Railroad 4-4-0 passenger set based on Disneyland and Walt Disney World railroads.
Tooling aside, I don't think the Hiawatha is farfetched. Especially because it could achieve juggernaut like the postwar 6-8-6 Turbines status if they cut the length down a bit and keep it simple. An 0-36 capable LC+2.0 Hiawatha seems like a win (especially when you take my lack of business experience haha).
I bet the Disney train would sell too. It's not my think but Disney has some big fans across tons of demographics.
I think these are actually great ideas to be honest.
I'd love a Disney park style train. I'd go for it scale or not. MTH almost did one years ago but didn't get proper licensing.
i had a dream last night lionel released the dd40ax in a military scheme and a santa fe yellow bonnet as well as several UP versions
@paigetrain posted:i had a dream last night lionel released the dd40ax in a military scheme and a santa fe yellow bonnet as well as several UP versions
I like your dreams!
@Jdjones24 posted:All Union Pacific Steam 4014, 3985 and 844 with the water tenders and 21" Passenger Cars
I'd love to see Lionel release a LC+ 2.0 version of the UP 3985 or UP 844 steam locomotive!
@Madockawando posted:I like your dreams!
yeah i have a lot of dreams about lionel stuff that doesn't exist yet and sometimes in those dreams i own that particular train
for example in my dream last night i had bought that Army DDa40x and 2 Santa Fe units
there's two sides to this coin though
the cool side is sometimes 1 to 3 years after the dream of a particular train lionel will come out with a train extremely similar to the train i dreamt about like maybe just a few details off but still very close
The frustrating side is when that dream train comes out i can't afford it or i miss out on it and can't find it anywhere when i can afford it
or like the shark research set it gets cancelled
Oh, and I would love to see some Back to the Future sets. Lionel could do the Clock Tower building, Delorean vehicle, the old west train and Doc Brown’s time machine locomotive!
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