Since these are all wishes…
It would be nice to see a scale and accurate replica of the Strasburg station and Tower.
I know that they had a traditional station labeled for Strasburg, but I’m being greedy and I want scale and accuracy. 😁
There is a company that makes a scale model version of the J Tower, but a cheaper and assembled version would be nice.
Just incase tonight on Lionel's workbench Wednesdays Ryan said next Friday the 14th for the new catalog drop and later that day they will have a live show to go over the new catalog.
i don't know if i mentioned this before but how about a lionel set compatable with Lego bricks
like you could have flat cars with studs so kids could use included lego or lego they already have to build their own rolling stock
best part they can run these "custom" trains with all their other o gauge stuff
I always enjoy catalog day. Let's hope for that PW 671 with LC+2.0!
I do remember Ryan saying that this upcoming catalog was going to be the biggest one in quite a while. I am hoping that whatever is in there besides the Class A is not on my list of engines and such. Being that my main interests are NYC & PRR, I really don't need any more K4's or Hudson's, which shouldn't be in this catalog.
That being said, I would imagine that as usual there will be a great number of diesel offerings which I'm not really into all that much, and most of the NYC PRR diesels I would want, I maybe have already. I doubt that whatever would pop up on that list of diesels, I could wait for another catalog.
On the steam side, definitely getting one of the Class A's and depending on what cars they are going to offer with it, may get those. Whatever other steam is going to be in the catalog is really going to be pressing as I can only think the majority wouldn't be NYC or PRR, thinking more west coast engines, but who knows. I do hope that is the case.
On December 21st my car blew up(engine went), so I'm still shopping for a car. Yeah, priorities as they say. Thing that stinks is I had so much work done on my car last year(2021) that I could have easily bought a VL Big Boy that was overpriced 3-4 times what it should be. Yeah, no good, but as I said somewhere else, 2021 was a good year for my buying of stuff I really wanted/missed out on the first shots(or older stuff). Here's hoping to a glorious 2022 of great railroad dreams.
P.S., hopefully 844 Northern is not in the catalog.
Well just one week away from release date.
Tick....tock....tick....tock.....
I’m fascinated by Rotary Snowplows. I know it probably wouldn’t sell well, but a Vision Rotary would be super cool for a future catalog. Give it features like moving “wings”, whistle steam, and steam smoke effects. Offer with either a tender or a B unit, just like the real thing.
Now that would be coll and different .
@GenesisFan99 posted:I’m fascinated by Rotary Snowplows. I know it probably wouldn’t sell well, but a Vision Rotary would be super cool for a future catalog.
I didn't know the rotary plows were steam powered. I would be interested in this just because it's interesting.
@GenesisFan99 posted:I’m fascinated by Rotary Snowplows. I know it probably wouldn’t sell well, but a Vision Rotary would be super cool for a future catalog. Give it features like moving “wings”, whistle steam, and steam smoke effects. Offer with either a tender or a B unit, just like the real thing.
YES, great idea!!!!!
@BillYo414 posted:I didn't know the rotary plows were steam powered. I would be interested in this just because it's interesting.
All of SP’s (now UP’s) Rotary Plows were originally steam powered, but not self-propelled. Eventually they were rebuilt to be diesel powered. A traction motor turned the blades, and F7 B units were turned into slugs to power said motor. My understanding is some of the steam parts were kept intact on the rebuilt rotaries to make sure nothing freezes, as in they still can make steam.
@GenesisFan99 well now that I think of it... you would have needed something to spin the blades haha I think this could be a great model for Lionel. I would say it's too specific (like hot metal cars) but I feel like the smoke, sounds, and animation would make it a bit with people. It would have a lot of action.
All sorts of railroads used to have rotaries so you could do a number of "close enough" paint schemes plus some generic MoW ones in black, silver, red, or yellow. I would absolutely love a UP one. The MTH rotary is just cheap looking and not even remotely to scale.
@N&WGuy posted:It’d also be awesome to see if Lionel got the MTH Premier tooling for the Pennsylvania Railroad 2-10-0’s. Some Legacy Pennsy I1s class locos equipped with whistle, smoke stack, and pop off valve steam effects with short and long haul tender versions would be pretty sweet!
While on the topic of acquired MTH tooling, it would be neat if Lionel acquired MTH's 3460 class Santa Fe Baldwin 4-6-4. The 3460 class was the basis for Lionel's smaller 4-6-4 locomotives. If Lionel acquired MTH's 3460 class tooling they could come out with postwar scale #665 Lionel Lines, #685 Lionel Lines, #2055 Lionel Lines, #2065 Lionel Lines as well as the MPC Famous American Railroads set #1. They can change boiler fronts for the particular postwar locomotive that they are making scale versions of.
@WBC posted:While on the topic of acquired MTH tooling, it would be neat if Lionel acquired MTH's 3460 class Santa Fe Baldwin 4-6-4. The 3460 class was the basis for Lionel's smaller 4-6-4 locomotives. If Lionel acquired MTH's 3460 class tooling they could come out with postwar scale #665 Lionel Lines, #685 Lionel Lines, #2055 Lionel Lines, #2065 Lionel Lines as well as the MPC Famous American Railroads set #1. They can change boiler fronts for the particular postwar locomotive that they are making scale versions of.
I would love scale sized versions of Lionel’s classic steam engines. In fact, let’s see Lionel Lines versions of other scale locomotives.
@Madockawando posted:I would love scale sized versions of Lionel’s classic steam engines. In fact, let’s see Lionel Lines versions of other scale locomotives.
This is a good idea. I’m surprised they haven’t tried this with the vision line. Lionel is producing fantasy schemes for each of these and a lot of the bigger locomotives, why not add a Lionel Lines to each one too?
To add to my wishes for future catalogs…
More sound cars. I don’t mean special Station Sounds, I mean just basic rail sounds. They have done this in various cars, and I have a set of their modern tank cars that have sounds, but I would love to see some modern box cars or hoppers with sounds. Just a few so they can be placed throughout the train for a little more effect.
If someone has already said this in this long thread, sissy, didn’t mean to repeat.
MTH tooled Legacy versions of the 0-4-0 Switcher, 2-8-0 H9 and 2-10-0 Decapod in PRR paint please. Surely Lionel realized their tooling for the 0-4-0 and 2-8-0 was inferior and they acquired the Premier tooling for these.
It will be live at 10am est Friday
Aluminum ACF Centerflow hoppers...I haven't seen these in awhile.
how about a plug and play Wolfe Manor with detachable hospital wing
since 2022 marks 100 years since the mansion was built in Clovis California
@catnap posted:Aluminum ACF Centerflow hoppers...I haven't seen these in awhile.
The production of their freight cars was apparently moved around several times in the past 20 years.
The ACF CENTER FLOW 4650 3-bay covered hoppers and 5250 4-bay covered hoppers made out of aluminum were produced to compete with the K-LINE models. Once the K-Line production stopped, then these covered hoppers vanished. There might be a connection.
Could the tools or molds for them be lost?
There were some more railroad schemes that needed to be applied to the ACF CENTER FLOW 5250 4-bay covered hopper such as SCL FAMILY LINES and WC WISCONSIN CENTRAL.
Andrew
Wolfe Manor? Cody, you must be thinking of it being a Halloween accessory. Before that decrepit old nursing home was torn down a decade ago, it was advertised as a ghost mansion.
@paigetrain posted:i had a dream last night lionel released the dd40ax in a military scheme and a santa fe yellow bonnet as well as several UP versions
Ok a Centennial with the same treatment that Lionel did to the turbines would look amazing, I could never afford that but I could see that selling well
LionScale versions of the ESCANABA & LAKE SUPERIOR modern 50' box cars with the correct doors.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hunter1828/2929286120
Andrew
Falcon Service
O Scale McCloud River Railroad exterior-braced 50' double-door box car with roller bearing trucks.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/...5247/in/photostream/
Andrew
Falcon Service
After a fairly robust 2020, I bought exactly zero from last year's catalog. No pre-orders, no follow up purchases. Ready to wade into the 2022 catalog and find some things that will catch my eye.
Lionel has teased new Amtrak items for months now (beyond what they cataloged last year), including anniversary liveries, new passenger cars and maybe even a set or two.
Looking forward to Friday's release.
I would like to see those nice wooden, clerestory, cars that Lionel and MTH did, like the Strasburg cars or Penn. BUT LET'S See them in Milwaukee Road (CMStP&P) orange and maroon or C&NW or SOO Line etc.
how about another updated TITANIC set sinc we're coming up on the 110th anniversary of the sinking
2 and a half days to go
Anyone see, or hear anything? Has it started to show up in any stores yet? The last couple years, we would have started hearing/seeing things by now.
Bill
I think Lionel is trying to keep leaks a lot tighter this time around. Everyone that has seen something isn’t going to say anything specific about it.
@NSBill posted:Anyone see, or hear anything? Has it started to show up in any stores yet? The last couple years, we would have started hearing/seeing things by now.
Bill
From a very brief conversation with my local hobby shop owner, he has reviewed a pricing sheet packet reflecting expected higher prices. Since I have a DOD Veranda coming, I did not pursue any additional comments.
@NSBill posted:Anyone see, or hear anything? Has it started to show up in any stores yet? The last couple years, we would have started hearing/seeing things by now.
Bill
I was at the train shop today. Be prepared for sticker shock is all I was told
@Will Ebbert posted:All sorts of railroads used to have rotaries so you could do a number of "close enough" paint schemes plus some generic MoW ones in black, silver, red, or yellow. I would absolutely love a UP one. The MTH rotary is just cheap looking and not even remotely to scale.
Totally agree. A Vision version of a rotary would destroy MTH’s version in every category.
Lionel pretty much has the tech to make a Vision rotary work already.
Prices went up a little bit before the catalog and in the catalog itself. The new CW-80s used to cost dealers $95 ish, now they cost $110.
What I can say about the catalog is many people’s wallets will be in for a world of hurt, and not just because of the prices...
I assumed prices would jump. Everything else has gone up.
I'm pumped to see what they offer regardless! I feel like a lot of people get excited for the catalog because they'll have something new to complain about but even if everything is too expensive for me, I'll be excited to see what's new, and what's being made again.
@GenesisFan99 posted:Prices went up a little bit before the catalog and in the catalog itself. The new CW-80s used to cost dealers $95 ish, now they cost $110.
What I can say about the catalog is many people’s wallets will be in for a world of hurt, and not just because of the prices...
It sounds like you are saying that the catalog is full of very expensive and very desirable trains. A wallet killer for sure.
One thing that I don't think I considered was a yard goat or some steam switcher for the NYC. I do have one of the TMCC offerings that I do have to figure out how to fix the sensor line up as the drawbar was slightly bent. I just haven't gotten around to fixing that yet.
@GenesisFan99 posted:Prices went up a little bit before the catalog and in the catalog itself. The new CW-80s used to cost dealers $95 ish, now they cost $110.
What I can say about the catalog is many people’s wallets will be in for a world of hurt, and not just because of the prices...
oh dear this is not good for me who always wants something
already heard that some of my favorite railroads are gonna be featured
just don't know how to ask my godparents to help me pre order if i do especially if the prices are higher
I'd love to see a Spokane, Portland, and Seattle kitchen car. They did a bunk car several years ago but never the kitchen car.
@GenesisFan99 posted:Prices went up a little bit before the catalog and in the catalog itself. The new CW-80s used to cost dealers $95 ish, now they cost $110.
What I can say about the catalog is many people’s wallets will be in for a world of hurt, and not just because of the prices...
Not surprised on the price increases. If my grocery store is any indicator, it was only a matter of time.
Did the catalog come early in the mail for you?
Also, I love how a catalog release is like a mini-holiday in the hobby 
@0-Gauge CJ posted:Also, I love how a catalog release is like a mini-holiday in the hobby
It's a good time! I especially love seeing people's ideas for what could be made.
It’s surprising that there’s only two days to go and seemingly no leaks anywhere yet!
Unless Lionel has tooled up an ATSF steam locomotive that hasn't been done in 3 rail before I'm safe. I don't need anymore locomotives unless it's something that hasn't been done before.
But I'm in for some ATSF rolling stock.
More SW8 and NW2s and all early diesels in Pennsy, B&O, Reading, and Pennsylvania & Reading seashore line.
Pull out a 10 year old catalog, then look at the prices... One reason my collection is very small.
@0-Gauge CJ posted:Not surprised on the price increases. If my grocery store is any indicator, it was only a matter of time.
Did the catalog come early in the mail for you?
Also, I love how a catalog release is like a mini-holiday in the hobby
I love how it’s a mini-holiday too! I can’t say how I saw a bit of what’s in the catalog, only that you’ll enjoy it.
@Jeff T posted:Pull out a 10 year old catalog, then look at the prices... One reason my collection is very small.
I get it completely, but to respectfully push back a little, Lionel does not control inflation of the dollar. $500 in 2012 is equal to just over $600 today. Going back to 2005, $500 then is equal to over $700 dollars today!
In other words, if an engine was $500 ten years ago and a rerun of the model today still sells for $500, there have almost certainly been cost cuts...hmm, maybe explains a lot.
I will enjoy looking through the catalog but I m sure there won’t be any postwar remakes or Western Maryland.
@Terrance posted:I will enjoy looking through the catalog but I m sure there won’t be any postwar remakes or Western Maryland.
That is very likely true. I don't think the 120th Anniversary F3 Postwar set was a big seller.
@Jeff T posted:Pull out a 10 year old catalog, then look at the prices... One reason my collection is very small.
Back in the 1980's, people were complaining about $250 for Hudsons using postwar tooling...
Rusty
@Madockawando posted:That is very likely true. I don't think the 120th Anniversary F3 Postwar set was a big seller.
Yes, unfortunately, agree. For years I used to lobby for traditional stuff/PW remakes on these "wish" threads but I think that ship has sailed.
The last two were the green UP Alco Set and the Santa Fe Anniversary Set. I bought the Alco Set but passed on the latter. I literally had it in my shopping cart but the price was just too steep. I took what I would have spent and got a beautiful Santa Fe PW 2343 AA pair. And some rolling stock. With $$ left over!
@Rusty Traque posted:Back in the 1980's, people were complaining about $250 for Hudsons using postwar tooling...
Rusty
Mean $250 in 1980 is worth about $850 today which...is about where some of the engines are. Interesting.
@BillYo414 posted:Mean $250 in 1980 is worth about $850 today which...is about where some of the engines are. Interesting.
Well if you adjust the price of Lionel's original 700e J1e..... it works out to a little over 1,500 bucks today......so yeah lionel has consistently been expensive. That said, yes the prices are still a lot for the wallet to handle.
@Brian DeFazio posted:Well if you adjust the price of Lionel's original 700e J1e..... it works out to a little over 1,500 bucks today......so yeah lionel has consistently been expensive. That said, yes the prices are still a lot for the wallet to handle.
There's a difference. Most technology get's cheaper over time. TVs, computers, etc.
@rplst8 posted:There's a difference. Most technology get's cheaper over time. TVs, computers, etc.
But there have been a lot of upgrades over the years. The 700e didn't have Bluetooth, whistle steam, Legacy Railsounds, etc.
@rplst8 posted:There's a difference. Most technology get's cheaper over time. TVs, computers, etc.
Not sure technology is driving the price up. It's the production of the actual model that is going up. Lionel left the US a number of years ago because it got too expensive. We are basically back of those prices while manufacturing overseas. A boxcar is basically 75% more than what it was 20 years ago with nothing inside of it.
Every time high prices come up in conversation its always Lionel that is expected to lower prices. No other manufacture is held to the same standard even though their prices are essentially the same as Lionel's.
Well all I can say about it that sometimes you do get what you pay for. Yes trains can be expensive but the current level of technology and detailing is far beyond anything that any Lionel engineer ever could have imaged back in the postwar era. We are not just paying for the trains, but our dollars go towards the research and development of new trains and technologies to enhance our hobby. It also costs money to maintain the facilities of Lionel. Selling trains undervalued below what they should be sold for would slowly starve a company to bankruptcy. K-Line is a prime example. So as far as I am concerned, yes trains are expensive, but I do feel I am getting all that I pay for and by spending money on new trains, I hope that I am doing my small part in keeping the hobby going.
Look at vehicle prices. A new truck can be up to $100k. Rising prices are just a fact of life.
Somebody spill something, preferably scale and steam. It's time for a leak! Need a morsel to get me to Friday.
It can be one of those fuzzy images that look like they came from the first iPhone, etc. It can be a rumor that articulated couplers are returning, for example.
@Randy_B posted:Somebody spill something, preferably scale and steam. It's time for a leak! Need a morsel to get me to Friday.
The spillage will occur on Friday. Knowing a couple of days in advance won't get anything produced any faster. Besides, the indicated "sticker shock" will probably cool some folks off.
Rusty
less than 2 days to go guys
we can do this. i know its hard like i can not wait to see the traditional stuff but we can do this
I'm just optimistic since they have some of the MTH tooling now. I'm not too interested in the same old, same old at any price.
@rplst8 posted:There's a difference. Most technology get's cheaper over time. TVs, computers, etc.
Trains are not just technology.
Of course, TVs, computers, et.al., are sold in the millions. When was the last time a loc from Lionel sold several million?
I'm honestly shocked there haven't been more leaks other than the 2 lionel intended. This is maddening lol 😆
I think it's kind of nice. Like the old days when you had to wait for the catalog to arrive at the hobby shop.
i atleast want to see the front cover nothing else until friday
anyone know how thick this catalog is like how many pages
@paigetrain posted:i atleast want to see the front cover nothing else until friday
anyone know how thick this catalog is like how many pages
In a recent video I saw, they said Lionel was changing up the physical book. Apparently, they are only printing the Scale items. Not the whole digital document.
@Randy_B posted:I'm just optimistic since they have some of the MTH tooling now. I'm not too interested in the same old, same old at any price.
Lionel making stuff with MTH tooling is the same old, same old. Only difference is now it comes in an orange instead of purple box and costs twice as much as it used to.
I like Orange better than Purple I guess.
@Randy_B posted:I like Orange better than Purple I guess.
I usually throw the box out, so I don't care what color it is .
@TheRambles posted:In a recent video I saw, they said Lionel was changing up the physical book. Apparently, they are only printing the Scale items. Not the whole digital document.
that must be a thick catalog if they're not printing the entire book
@paigetrain posted:that must be a thick catalog if they're not printing the entire book
It is about the same as the 2021 V1 Catalog. It is more of a cost-saving measure than an indication of how big the book is.
@RJ I posted:It is about the same as the 2021 V1 Catalog. It is more of a cost-saving measure than an indication of how big the book is.
i wonder if this is gonna hurt the visability of the traditional stuff since its only gonna be online
@Lou1985 posted:Lionel making stuff with MTH tooling is the same old, same old. Only difference is now it comes in an orange instead of purple box and costs twice as much as it used to.
Does it really cost twice as much?
Everyone is at a different place in this hobby, and I still get excited for these catalogs and are thankful for them. I have all Lionel engines to this point. There have been some previously made by MTH that I liked but would not have considered before and hopefully that will come to fruition at some point.
Okay. Let me throw one last wish out there. Chessie Sd70ace set with modern freight cars with multiple csx fallen flags (wm, b&o, c&o, etc).
@Randy_B posted:Everyone is at a different place in this hobby, and I still get excited for these catalogs and are thankful for them. I have all Lionel engines to this point. There have been some previously made by MTH that I liked but would not have considered before and hopefully that will come to fruition at some point.
Randy, I’m of the same mind. My layout is Legacy. There are a few former MTH models (cough, Dreyfuss, cough) that I would love to see released in Legacy. It will make no difference to me that MTH already released them a few times over the years because I wouldn’t have bought them in DCS. Plus, I personally really like whistle steam and it would be great to get some former MTH models equipped with that feature as well.
@Madockawando posted:Does it really cost twice as much?
Yes. Yes it does. MTH from 2018, Lionel 2021 V2. Same tooling, same paint, double the price. But now it comes in an orange box instead of purple.
how about a traditional version of a Southern Pacific oil can train
I'm curious if the Class A will be talked about in the catalog broadcast in regards to the steam turret being covered for the excursion version, but being uncovered for other versions? BigJim contacted Ryan about this a bit ago after seeing some of the pictures on the Class A post from York pictures.
If you have no idea exactly what I'm talking about, don't worry, I didn't know what it was all about until BigJim explained. During 1218's service, it had gotten a cover over the steam turret only for a little bit and put back on(I believe) for a bit during the excursion runs. Ryan had told Jim that the catalog art was already done so it won't be shown with the details that should be there(for the other models).
So I'm just curious if Ryan will touch on this subject a bit while discussing the model in the catalog. I do know that Ryan has done similar things when noting differences between versions of the same engine.
I'm extremely curious as to what will be offered to go with these Class A's as one would expect some coal hoppers, and for the excursion version some sort of passenger cars. I'm not going for the excursion version, so I have a raised eyebrow on this particular topic.
That being said guys, why yack about prices? I guess to stay on topic, you could say you "wish for lower prices'. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
Erie Lackawanna E-8's with correct colors, stripes, and a different horn and headlight configuration like Lionel did with the early E-8's of Amtrak paint schemes. One numbered 810-819 (DL&W acquired A units) with Mars light, nose door headlight, and correct front and rear facing horns on each side of cab and the other one numbered 820-833 (Erie acquired A units) with correct multi-chime horn of engineer's side of cab with single headlight. Maybe different sets of road numbers for each set would make a nice AAAA set to replicate how they were used as freight engines in the 70's. I've seen Lionel do several paint schemes on steam engines so why not offer 2 AA sets with different road numbers?
@Gpritch posted:How about some add on cars for the recently announced new Hop & Ivy Land Set? A matching steamer would be nice as well!
The Mew Hope and Ivyland has an add on car available on their site !
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:I'm extremely curious as to what will be offered to go with these Class A's as one would expect some coal hoppers, and for the excursion version some sort of passenger cars. I'm not going for the excursion version, so I have a raised eyebrow on this particular topic.
Another thing I'd like to add to my wishlist, correct peaked-end hoppers for N&W (without the hamburger logo)! Preferrably plastic so we can run long coal trains I have several from Atlas and they are nice, but I would love to have more!
@0-Gauge CJ posted:Preferrably plastic so we can run long coal trains
Sounds like somebody needs moar powahhhhh!!
For real though, I run a string of 30 die cast hoppers, mostly Atlas with some Lionel offsets, throw a little light oil on the axles and it proves an pretty easy task for a Lionel Allegheny or EM1. Plus I find the extra weight helps prevent derailments through curves and crossovers. I suppose if you were shooting more for 80+ cars that would prove more challenging!
You don't find string lining to be an issue through curves? @Catonsville Central Railway
@BillYo414 posted:You don't find string lining to be an issue through curves? @Catonsville Central Railway
Never has happened to me with an all-metal train. I've had it happen with lighter plastic cars with a lot of weight tugging behind them, so I always make sure to put lighter cars at the back. If your trucks are up to snuff, the downward weight of each car shouldn't have too much impact on train weight (save for on hills). Simple physics. In practice though, heavier cars tend to exhibit more friction in the trucks making them harder to pull, but a little very light oil helps a lot in my experience.
Downward weight does help a lot in resistance to string lining imho, however.
@Madockawando posted:That is very likely true. I don't think the 120th Anniversary F3 Postwar set was a big seller.
I loved that set! I didn’t buy it because it was so expensive and because I’m all DCS but boy I sure would love that set!
The die-cast metal O scale open-top hoppers need to be made out of ALUMINUM instead of ZINC .
Andrew
less than 24 hours until we see if our wishes came true
either way i'm excited and i probably won't sleep a wink tonight thinking about what lies in the traditional and christmas section of the catalog
If you want somewhere to hangout and talk about the magazine live tomorrow morning, I will be streaming starting Just before 9AM.
Well, at least they didn't leak any of the items.
@Catonsville Central Railway posted:Sounds like somebody needs moar powahhhhh!!
For real though, I run a string of 30 die cast hoppers, mostly Atlas with some Lionel offsets, throw a little light oil on the axles and it proves an pretty easy task for a Lionel Allegheny or EM1. Plus I find the extra weight helps prevent derailments through curves and crossovers. I suppose if you were shooting more for 80+ cars that would prove more challenging!
I had heard that running with more than 10 or so would be a challenge, but I assume that's only if you don't grease the wheels a bit - 30 uniquely-numbered hoppers sound nice
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