Wish list for the next Lionel catalog

What I really want is Lionel to acquire MTH's steam engines and produce the PRR A5.  That I would buy in a heartbeat.

Other than that, I'll keep to models that have already built:

-BN #1876 SD40-2 in Bicentennial colors. To run with Lionel's earlier Legacy BN #1776 U30 release.  This pair actually pulled the American Freedom Train when the steamers were in maintenance, so I think it would be neat to have both for my AFT set.

-The new MoW cars in PRR gray.  They were not painted yellow until the mid-50s, and many stayed gray for a lot longer.

The American Flyer 57' mechanical reefer they cancelled in 2014.

Rusty

@Madockawando posted:

Its never to early to put a bug in Lionel's ear for the upcoming catalogs.

Chances are they already finished 2021 volume 2 so I suspect they'll be looking at 2022 Volume 1 for any ideas.

Very true! So let’s call this the Lionel 2022 volume 1 catalog wish list. 😁

A set of 21 inch PRR congressional passenger cars including the specialty cars with correct interiors

I know this is probably totally unlikely, but LionChief or LionChief+ retrofits.  A TMCC/Legacy to Lionchief bridge device to allow control of older LC and LC+ locos via the cab-1 or cab-2.

Down the road a TMCC/Legacy to TIU bridge to control PS2 and PS3 locos for those who are going to eventually be orphaned by the end of MTH. Even better, find a way to directly control PS2 or PS3 locos without a TIU by making some sort of emulator device.

A LionChief controllable culvert loader and unloader that works from the App and/or the universal remote.

How about a updated postwar Seaboard switcher with LionChief or LionChief +2.0? 

Great ideas! I love where you are going with this Landsteiner.

Big reach but if you don’t reach for the stars....l want Standard Tinplate. C’mon Lionel. Make nice with Mr. Wolf. Even if you don’t sell many of these gems, it makes for a cool catalog and a big showroom draw at shows and LHS like the Corvette accomplishes for Chevrolet dealers.

2 Rail

I want a chessie system sd70ace to go with my b&o sd70ace. I would say a chessie es44, but the fixed pilots would require curves that are too wide for me. I know mth did one a while back, but I would love to see one in Lionel to potentially lash up with the b&o one.

@Landsteiner posted:

I know this is probably totally unlikely, but LionChief or LionChief+ retrofits.  A TMCC/Legacy to Lionchief bridge device to allow control of older LC and LC+ locos via the cab-1 or cab-2.

Down the road a TMCC/Legacy to TIU bridge to control PS2 and PS3 locos for those who are going to eventually be orphaned by the end of MTH. Even better, find a way to directly control PS2 or PS3 locos without a TIU by making some sort of emulator device.

A LionChief controllable culvert loader and unloader that works from the App and/or the universal remote.

How about a updated postwar Seaboard switcher with LionChief or LionChief +2.0?

BINGO!!!

How about some GP9's in Adrian & Blissfield or Black River & Western? The Providence & Worcester paint scheme looks nice too!

Or...

• Scale RS-3 with Legacy (WM or PRR Hammerhead RS-3 too)
• Legacy F3
• Return of the Rail bonder motorized unit
• Flatcar w/ Wedge Plow
• Scale Postwar or Prewar-inspired Legacy train sets
• Porter or Plymouth switchers
• EMD BL2

@Lionel2056 posted:

How about some GP9's in Adrian & Blissfield or Black River & Western? The Providence & Worcester paint scheme looks nice too!

Or...

• Scale RS-3 with Legacy (WM or PRR Hammerhead RS-3 too)
• Legacy F3
• Return of the Rail bonder motorized unit
• Flatcar w/ Wedge Plow
• Scale Postwar or Prewar-inspired Legacy train sets
• Porter or Plymouth switchers
• EMD BL2

Has Lionel ever offered a scale rs3? My first engine was a Christmas rs3, but I’ve never seen a scale rs3 from Lionel, only mth.

here's my wishlist

LC 2.0 GP20

LC2.0 GP38

more tier 4's

updated semi scale s2 turbine

semi scale sd40-2

more types of light up track

lionchief Fortnite train set

ghostbusters train set

ghostbusters fire station with operating ecto 1

Nerf train set complete with nerf dart firing cannon car

Teenage mutant ninja turtles subway set that plays the theme song

GI JOE train set

@Csxcellent posted:

Has Lionel ever offered a scale rs3? My first engine was a Christmas rs3, but I’ve never seen a scale rs3 from Lionel, only mth.

I think they offered one ages ago under 'K-Line by Lionel', but I could be wrong. They were originally K-Line models so its likely not going to happen, but they are sold under the Williams by Bachmann name now. Just would like one with the same level of detail as K-Line or Weaver, but with Legacy.

@Lionel2056 posted:

I think they offered one ages ago under 'K-Line by Lionel', but I could be wrong. They were originally K-Line models so its likely not going to happen, but they are sold under the Williams by Bachmann name now. Just would like one with the same level of detail as K-Line or Weaver, but with Legacy.

If they could get the k-line tooling back, it would be a great fit for lc+2.0. However I can’t see full legacy going into it unless it’s entirely new tooling. If an lc+2.0 is produced in b&o or western Maryland I might be interested.

I would love to see the return of the Legacy 2-6-0 Moguls, they would fit in nicely with the one small steam locomotive Lionel does per catalog (Ten-Wheeler, Camelback, etc.)

• Strasburg 89 comes to mind as one I would like to see made but between the Camelback and SW8 last catalog, that is a lot of Strasburg stuff to release in a short time.

As for diesels I am hoping for another run of the H16-44.

• Hopefully, Nassau hobby would do a custom run of some LIRR units with Lionel.

Lastly, the return of the GLa hoppers, I have two of them and love them!

A rock island gp40 or gp35 in the rout rock blue and white paint scheme. An amtrack seimens charger like the new bachmann model.

Trolley and/or streetcar Legacy or Lionchief 2.0

I’d really like to see one of these....in a true olive-drab, not Kelly green.

@mike.caruso posted:

I’d really like to see one of these....in a true olive-drab, not Kelly green.

I think Canadian Pacific and its subsidiaries will be very popular in the next few Lionel catalogs now that CP is the largest railroad in North America.

I think we are due for a LC+ 2.0 City of Los Angeles UP set.

The SOO LINE PC&F 57' Mechanical Refrigerator cars

Made in the USA LionScale versions

Made in China with opening doors.

Andrew

Subways with doors that open and close on command complete with legacy

Accurate Canadian Pacific and CP Rail insulated box cars and refrigerator cars have yet to be made in the LionScale line and the imported O scale line.

Andrew

The brackets and brakeline details that are missing on the TankTrain cars.

The backs of the brackets need self adhesive film so they can be stuck on the bottom of the TankTrain tank cars.

Andrew

Canadian National CN Piggyback O scale 40' Trailer pairs

Grand Trunk Western REAZ  O scale 40' Trailer pairs

ROCK ISLAND O scale 40' Trailer pairs

SOO LINE 1960's and 1970's schemes on the O scale 40' Trailer pairs

UNION PACIFIC  We can handle it. 1976 scheme on the O scale 40' Trailer pairs.

VERMONT RAILWAY O scale 40' Trailer Pairs

Western Pacific 1970-1980 era schemes on the O scale 40' Trailer pairs.

Andrew

@FJI posted:

A set of 21 inch PRR congressional passenger cars including the specialty cars with correct interiors

TO get the correct window patterns an interiors, it is more likely GGD would do this as potential rerun.  They did them correctly fist time and have the correct extrusion tool for the Congo to do them in aluminum.

Just a simple scale RS3 in DL&W black would make me very happy, in LC+2.0.

Artie

@Csxcellent posted:

Has Lionel ever offered a scale rs3? My first engine was a Christmas rs3, but I’ve never seen a scale rs3 from Lionel, only mth.

The only mass produced close to scale RS3 has been the Weaver version and the Atlas version is a close second. 

To change to the topic and provide a positive contribution, I'd like to see:

• Real 2 rail offerings with fixed pilots and DCC
• Runs of individual 21" cars so we aren't stuck with the traditional 4 car set and a 2 car add-on pack.  The 21" generic Budd style cars are well done for the price point, but it would be nice to be able to add-on some 10-6's and coaches for a longer train.
• A re-run of F40PHs less the quality control issues of the original runs.  Yes, it is a "classic F unit" now, but they did do a nice job with theirs on capturing the details correctly.  For me this locomotive and all the -40 series EMDs are the epitome of quality and Longevity.   
• CNJ Atlantic 592 - the one in the B&O museum.  It pulled the Blue Comet often during the later years and served another 10 years in service.  It is not the same body casting as the overdone 10 wheeler as the steam dome is behind the cab and there is more space between the Wooten firebox and the cab.  The proportions of that one .  Preferably in 2 rail for me on that one.
• CNJ GP40-P.  I would purchase this in at least two to three of the 5 paint schemes it ended up in through NJT and I don't see this coming from anyone else at any time.

Otherwise for now I don't really have anything else on my bucket list that I don't see coming from my preferred manufacturer.

Maersk Legacy intermodal set will husky cars.

O scale Grand Trunk Western Extended-Vision Caboose.

O scale Grand Trunk Western flat car with bulkheads.

GTW 616400-616499 series

O scale Grand Trunk Western double-door 50' box car with end doors repainted in the 1960's paint scheme

Andrew

O scale THE ROCK 89' automobile carrier in the 1975-1980 era paint scheme

example:

https://www.springcreekmodeltr...to-rack-rock-island/

Andrew

It’d be nice to see another run of the Legacy Norfolk & Western Y6b’s (the #2174 and #2190 in particular!) or the Legacy New York City Subway sets

What some people might want, but they have not said it yet is that they would like to get:

O scale models of the Greenbrier/Gunderson MAXI-STACK five-unit, 40' wells intermodal cars in various railroad paint schemes.

Andrew

How about a Legacy F3 in Southern green and white livery.  The last one Lionel offered was back in MPC era (1980's).

I have been hoping since they offered the scale F3's about 18 years ago.

One can hope,

Don

This is a pretty much a repeat of what was on my wish list for 2021 V1 as none of my wishes made the catalog:

- Strasburg 90:  would be nice to finally have in O scale. I don't think this would be as 'niche' of an engine to make as Strasburg is considered one of (if not the) most quintessential tourist railroad in the US. Many have fond memories there and I can see this being a good seller. The MTH SRC coaches sold out in just 2 days at my LHS (they ordered 20+ in addition to preorders). I could see the 8618 and camelback not being the best sellers as many are waiting for 90 as it has been teased here and on other sites.

- PRR P5: (did MTH ever manufacture the ones that they advertised in their 2020 V1 catalog? Haven't seen them advertised on any LHS websites ) I would like someone to produce this again (with or without the MTH tooling), unlikely that it will be Lionel though. Yes, 3rd rail has offered these before but I wasn't as involved in the hobby during their latest offering.

- PRR MP54: an old K-line tooling that Lionel made years ago under the K-line by Lionel name. It would be nice to see these be produced again with some upgrades.

- PRR K4s with short haul tenders: the same ones they did in 2011. Prewar, also not a fan of the long haul tendered ones they have made in the last few years. Given it's been 10 years now, I could see them reissuing this in the not-so-distant future, if not this year.

- PRR M1s (anyone starting to notice a certain theme here?? ): same as they have done in 2014. Like the K4's it's been a while since so I could see these on Lionel's "to-do list".

- I would also be interested in another run of the VL GG1's in a few years (similar to how they did a re-run of the 2-10-10-2's) as they are really nice but hard to find now in the 5 strip DGLE.

Well let’s hope Lionel pays attention! Are you listening Lionel? Lots of good ideas here! 😁

A command control clamshell crane. Intermodal crane. Vision line caboose with sounds and a camera. Legacy New Haven EP-5. Amtrak chargers. Lighthouse. New bascule bridge, swing bridge, lift bridge with a way to make signals work on the approaches.

O scale TTGX TRAILER TRAIN 89' flat car, Denver & Rio Grande Western orange auto rack with a white interior

O scale TTGX TRAILER TRAIN 89' flat car, SOO  'the Soo Line Railroad Company' red auto rack

Andrew

@Prr7688 posted:

This is a pretty much a repeat of what was on my wish list for 2021 V1 as none of my wishes made the catalog:

- Strasburg 90:  would be nice to finally have in O scale. I don't think this would be as 'niche' of an engine to make as Strasburg is considered one of (if not the) most quintessential tourist railroad in the US. Many have fond memories there and I can see this being a good seller. The MTH SRC coaches sold out in just 2 days at my LHS (they ordered 20+ in addition to preorders). I could see the 8618 and camelback not being the best sellers as many are waiting for 90 as it has been teased here and on other sites.

- PRR P5: (did MTH ever manufacture the ones that they advertised in their 2020 V1 catalog? Haven't seen them advertised on any LHS websites ) I would like someone to produce this again (with or without the MTH tooling), unlikely that it will be Lionel though. Yes, 3rd rail has offered these before but I wasn't as involved in the hobby during their latest offering.

- PRR MP54: an old K-line tooling that Lionel made years ago under the K-line by Lionel name. It would be nice to see these be produced again with some upgrades.

- PRR K4s with short haul tenders: the same ones they did in 2011. Prewar, also not a fan of the long haul tendered ones they have made in the last few years. Given it's been 10 years now, I could see them reissuing this in the not-so-distant future, if not this year.

- PRR M1s (anyone starting to notice a certain theme here?? ): same as they have done in 2014. Like the K4's it's been a while since so I could see these on Lionel's "to-do list".

- I would also be interested in another run of the VL GG1's in a few years (similar to how they did a re-run of the 2-10-10-2's) as they are really nice but hard to find now in the 5 strip DGLE.

The PRR MP54 set from 1992 is actually a better source for tooling than the K-line tooling that is not at all close to an MP54.   I have owned both K-line MP54ish offerings in 18" and 15".

While the old Lionel tooling lacks some details, when I compared it to my Custom Brass BM54, it scales out properly and has the correct proportions and the key details.  I am planning on converting my old Lionel set to 2rail at some point as it really isn't that big of a project to make it into a decent scale model. New steps, A few added details, scale brass pantographs, scale couplers and pilot fabrications, interiors in lieu of window figure strips, and adding a DC motor, scale wheels, and maybe DCC.  Granted it's 30 year old tooling and likely lost somewhere, but it's still good.

Which P5a are you are you looking for?  Modified or box-cab?  MTH did make both as has 3rd Rail.  I have the box-cab in 3rd Rail and an MTH version of the modified.  As much of a shill I am for 3rd Rail, my Overland P5a modified made by Ajin is better than all of them combined.  If I ever get to going through my MTH one to make sure it still runs properly, I'll be selling it as I don't model PRR in 3 Rail anymore.

However, now that we are on a PRR theme, I'd like to see an accurate model of PRR D16sb 1223.  That is the locomotive I rode behind when I was last on the Strasburg.  It was a long time ago.  In 2 rail of course.

"wish list..."

A LC+ 2 AEC glow in the dark GP9 would be nice, I have the 2001 TMCC version but a second one with updated electronics would be great.

I would love to see some new road names (Akron, Canton, Youngstown if anybody specific is reading this haha).

It would be cool to see some steel industry offerings but I would imagine sales are way too small for that because it's such a niche thing.

A consolidation of control systems or no new systems would be good in the next catalog. I mean that lightheartedly but it would be good to let the dust settle from LC, LC 2.0 +, Legacy. Just stick with something for a little while.

I probably won't buy any locomotives unless something REALLY fantastic is brought out. I guess that would have to be an Allegheny, triplex, Y6b, or a specialty locomotive that I just gotta have. I pretty much maxed out the railroad budget in the first catalog release.

I definitely will be excited to see what they come up with!!

It is well past tonner for a scale Tier IV ES44. They have been on the rails for 5 years now and all class 1s except Canadian Pacific have them.

How about some add on cars for the recently announced new Hop & Ivy Land Set?  A matching steamer would be nice as well!

If you have a GE/WABTEC ET44AC diesel-electric locomotive you are going to need matching freight cars such as

new Greenbrier 5188 and 5200 3-bay covered grain hoppers

new Greenbrier Plate F 60' box cars

Andrew

A definite ET4400AC would be great. The back of that monster looks like a starship. ET call home!

some more Reading scale passenger cars.

@John Pignatelli JR. posted:

A definite ET4400AC would be great. The back of that monster looks like a starship. ET call home!

some more Reading scale passenger cars.

I didn’t realize there was much of a difference in appearance from the es44. For me, the back of the sd80mac was always awesome.

Streamlined Commodore Vanderbilt scale

NYC Streamlined Mercury loco and scale length passenger cars

C&O L1 scale

RDC's scale including length

scale length Amfleet and viewliners with kinetic coupling

Susquehanna E8's

NJTransit scale length bilevels.

Charger locomotives

CalTrains "Baby bullet" locomotives

New York and Greenwood Lake Geep

Delaware Coast Line (not sure if it was a C420 or an RS something)

South Shore MU's

Metra scale bilevel electrics

Center beam lumber flats scale length with proper truck placement and kinetic couplers

Open auto racks scale length with proper truck placement and kinetic couplers

tourist railroad gondolas with bench seating and steps at both ends to the adjoining passenger cars.

Dining cars without sounds

Hoppers used as buffer cars.

Ringling Bros Circus train offer one or two scale cars each year.

That's enough for now.

I’d also love to see a Ma&Pa engine.

Command control Burro crane.

@jonnyspeed posted:

2 Rail

I am kind of on the fence with this one. If Lionel were to do 2 rail right meaning in locomotives they have fixed pilots, full length handrails, no high water pants, fully flanged proper sized/flanged drivers to 2 rail standards, and DCC/sound. With their scale freight cars they should have Kadee coupler pads and please sell a 2 rail truck that simply screws on. I don’t even understand the complicated way to 2 rail a Lionel car (using Lionel wheel sets) and only certain cars can be 2 railed with their wheelsets. If yes to all that then by all means it would be great if Lionel would jump into the 2 rail side but I seriously doubt it will happen.

Canadian trains- GO Transit, Via Rail,  CN, CP

JohnA

@John A posted:

Canadian trains- GO Transit, Via Rail,  CN, CP

JohnA

Yes to this! I would love a series with the Canadian Pacific and all its subsidiaries

@GG1 4877 posted:

The PRR MP54 set from 1992 is actually a better source for tooling than the K-line tooling that is not at all close to an MP54.   I have owned both K-line MP54ish offerings in 18" and 15".

While the old Lionel tooling lacks some details, when I compared it to my Custom Brass BM54, it scales out properly and has the correct proportions and the key details.  I am planning on converting my old Lionel set to 2rail at some point as it really isn't that big of a project to make it into a decent scale model. New steps, A few added details, scale brass pantographs, scale couplers and pilot fabrications, interiors in lieu of window figure strips, and adding a DC motor, scale wheels, and maybe DCC.  Granted it's 30 year old tooling and likely lost somewhere, but it's still good.

Which P5a are you are you looking for?  Modified or box-cab?  MTH did make both as has 3rd Rail.  I have the box-cab in 3rd Rail and an MTH version of the modified.  As much of a shill I am for 3rd Rail, my Overland P5a modified made by Ajin is better than all of them combined.  If I ever get to going through my MTH one to make sure it still runs properly, I'll be selling it as I don't model PRR in 3 Rail anymore.

However, now that we are on a PRR theme, I'd like to see an accurate model of PRR D16sb 1223.  That is the locomotive I rode behind when I was last on the Strasburg.  It was a long time ago.  In 2 rail of course.

Interesting about the '92 tooling being more accurate! I've never gotten a close look at either in person but was turned off by the 'silhouette windows' on the older version compared to interiors on the newer one. Question: isn't the headlight in the wrong position as well? I seem to recall a video of it being mounted at the base of the door. Do you have any opinion on the MTH MP54's? I've been looking for those, they look nice from what I've seen on Youtube.

In terms of P5a, I would go for the boxcab... I've given up looking for the 3rd rail version as it's impossible to find. I've seen a few MTH boxcab versions on Ebay but they all had Zinc rot.

I second your request for 1223! MTH dropped the ball when they did the D16d over the D16sb. While we're at it, we might as well add PRR E7s 7002 (8063, not the original E2 7002) to the list as well!

Personally, I would like to see Lionel produce a UP DDA40X or a New York Central Mercury but both will most likely never happen.

A return of F40s. New liveries like (NJ Transit, Metro-North, Grand Canyon RR, Rio Grand Ski Train, Coaster, Metra, MBTA) and many others would be surefire sellers............... If only acquiring the logo licensing could be as easy as rattling off ideas...

I'm in for a return of the Legacy Moguls. A legacy Strasburg 89 would be awesome.

These items don't require toolings to be made from the ground up, so I think these could be more probable than let's say an "acs-64"

No price increase....

@John A posted:

Canadian trains- GO Transit, Via Rail,  CN, CP

JohnA

Can you please be more descriptive about what that means.

Andrew

WESTERN PACIFIC exterior-braced 50' double door boxcars

WP 38000 series built by FMC in 1977 and 1978

Western Pacific exterior-braced 50' double-door boxcars

WP 38100 series built by FMC in 1979 and 1980

Andrew 

A prototype SD70ACU model with a paint scheme like this that is actually correct in color.

@@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

A return of F40s. New liveries like (NJ Transit, Metro-North, Grand Canyon RR, Rio Grand Ski Train, Coaster, Metra, MBTA) and many others would be surefire sellers............... If only acquiring the logo licensing could be as easy as rattling off ideas...

I'm in for a return of the Legacy Moguls. A legacy Strasburg 89 would be awesome.

These items don't require toolings to be made from the ground up, so I think these could be more probable than let's say an "acs-64"

The F40s will be coming soon. Ryan said this in the latest catalog show.

SOO 517000 series automobile carriers with CP scheme

SOO 519000 series automobile carriers with CP scheme

Andrew

Re-run of the Legacy Berkshires.

A NYC Mercury would be cool.

Some smaller/earlier engines, like a 2-8-0, 4-8-0, or Decapod.

I saw a picture of some N&W F-units (ABA) for sale online that took me by surprise; I thought N&W never bought them. They had a blue/yellow color scheme (same colors as N&W GP7s). No idea the history behind them but models of those would be interesting. Also pretty much anything N&W.

A Legacy module or adapter that can interface with Bluetooth, so we can control LionChief and LionChief Plus (with electro coupler functionality) trains. Maybe something like the Legacy PowerMaster, which allows the Legacy remote to control conventional engines.

A Legacy or LionChief 2.0 conversion/upgrade kit. I can dream!

Wow! Such great ideas. Here's a few of mine:

-Vision Line Wabtec Battery Electric Loco and BNSF ET44C4 set and some modern freight cars

-Vision SD70ACe-T4s

-ET44ACs

-Vision Siemens Chargers and matching passenger car sets

-Vision Triplex

-ATSF/BNSF SD75M/I

-Fastrack Turntable

-Fastrack 2-track truss bridge

-More accessories w/ Command-Control or Bluetooth

-Legacy-controlled scale Intermodal Crane

-Vision Modern Reefers, Boxcars, and Tank Cars

-TankTrain Cars w/ Sounds

-F45/FP45 Locos

-The AEC Geep is a great idea. I also want the Phantom locos and passenger cars. Maybe the Phantom locos could have separate-sale freight sets that match the locos.

-Fastrack Bascule Bridge (1 and 2 tracks) based on the truss bridge design

-ATSF Super Chief and El Capitan passenger sets

Anything A C & Y (Akron, Canton & Youngstown)

Legacy Santa Fe F3 red and silver War Bonnet, Legacy SP mt5 with correct tenders and Skyline casing, Legacy SP GP 7 or 9 Black Widow correct lighting package.

@Dylan the Train Man posted:

Wow! Such great ideas. Here's a few of mine:

-Vision Line Wabtec Battery Electric Loco and BNSF ET44C4 set and some modern freight cars

-Vision SD70ACe-T4s

-ET44ACs

-Vision Siemens Chargers and matching passenger car sets

-Vision Triplex

-ATSF/BNSF SD75M/I

-Fastrack Turntable

-Fastrack 2-track truss bridge

-More accessories w/ Command-Control or Bluetooth

-Legacy-controlled scale Intermodal Crane

-Vision Modern Reefers, Boxcars, and Tank Cars

-TankTrain Cars w/ Sounds

-F45/FP45 Locos

-The AEC Geep is a great idea. I also want the Phantom locos and passenger cars. Maybe the Phantom locos could have separate-sale freight sets that match the locos.

-Fastrack Bascule Bridge (1 and 2 tracks) based on the truss bridge design

-ATSF Super Chief and El Capitan passenger sets

I was thinking of that too. It’s time for a LC2.0 reissue of the Phantom locomotives. Perhaps in black.

Andrew- what I meant was Canadian roadnames, especially the four that I listed as what would interest me (and many other modelers), I think. JohnA

Please Lionel, no more "new" scale Polar Express passenger cars.  I'd rather see some scenery or accessories now.

I'm not much of a joiner in these frequent "what should they make" threads. The list of locos are endless and, unfortunately, the vast majority never see the light of day.  But I do like the idea that's been mentioned several times about Lionel producing some fun accessories. Seems like a great untapped area especially in the category of Postwar remakes. How about it, Lionel?

1.  FasTrack Gantry Crane Sections.

2.  Die Cast ALCo Trucks on the LionChief Plus 2.0 RS3's.

3.  LionChief Plus 2.0 PRR L1s using the Baby K4s boiler casting.

Jon

If I may add, LionChief 2.0 "Lionel Lines" K4 with the old Postwar road number like 2035 or 675.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=...2O8CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

Since this is a wish list:

Chicago Great Western 3 car McKeen Bluebird passenger train

Chicago Northwestern  3 car gas-electric Namekagon passenger train

I'd be intrigued by a new turntable also.

Not that I'd buy it but I am expecting someone to make Back To The Future themed trains at some point. In any scale.

@Madockawando posted:

Its never to early to put a bug in Lionel's ear for the upcoming catalogs.

Wish List …

You do realize many items are already planned years in advance.

@SIRT posted:

SIRT, please put your comments outside of my quote box.

@Madockawando posted:

SIRT, please put your comments outside of my quote box.

Just an FYI and something I would like to be fixed.  When using an iPad to reply while quoting a previous post, if anything is changed inside the quote (for example, text and pictures are deleted), I have found it impossible to get the cursor back out of the quote box.  I have had to cancel reply’s and make certain to type my reply before deleting anything from the quote box.  Maybe this is what happened with SIRT’s reply.

@GregM posted:

Just an FYI and something I would like to be fixed.  When using an iPad to reply while quoting a previous post, if anything is changed inside the quote (for example, text and pictures are deleted), I have found it impossible to get the cursor back out of the quote box.  I have had to cancel reply’s and make certain to type my reply before deleting anything from the quote box.  Maybe this is what happened with SIRT’s reply.

Same exact thing happens to me. I have to do the same thing as you. It can be frustrating.

I'd like to see a Reading 2-8-0 camelback.

I'd love the UP Heritage SD70ACes to be made again with updated sounds and electronics. Also, I'd like some matching freight cars to go with them.

To deliver correct and accurate units that work out of the box

@Bossman284 posted:

To deliver correct and accurate units that work out of the box

I hope you got room for all of that!

I would definitely buy a Dreyfuss

I wouldn't mind a steam locomotive with a fallen flag roadname from Canadian history.  PEI, Intercolonial, Canadian Northern (or any of its vast inventory of railways), Northern Alberta, or even Dominion Atlantic.

Canadian National, Canadian Pacific, and BC Rail are basically defaults on the market when it comes to Canadian pickings and VIA Rail is scarcely done by Lionel (if at all).

But at least sell interchangeable road plates/tendercar sides (either blank or pre-printed) as that's an easy close second to do

@DylTrains posted:

I wouldn't mind a steam locomotive with a fallen flag roadname from Canadian history.  PEI, Intercolonial, Canadian Northern (or any of its vast inventory of railways), Northern Alberta, or even Dominion Atlantic.

Canadian National, Canadian Pacific, and BC Rail are basically defaults on the market when it comes to Canadian pickings and VIA Rail is scarcely done by Lionel (if at all).

But at least sell interchangeable road plates/tendercar sides (either blank or pre-printed) as that's an easy close second to do

I love all Canadian road names. I'm not Canadian but being half French Canadian I have strong emotional ties. Besides that,  many of these past and current Canadian lines and their subsidiaries cross over into the New England area where I live.

I would be in for a NYC Dreyfuss too.  Would like to see a VL updated model of the 2002 TMCC version, 6-28084, but I'd be happy even with just a re-release of the 2002.

Chicago Central & Pacific three-bay open-top hoppers in O scale

plastic body versions

Fine-detailed aluminum body versions

https://www.railcarphotos.com/....php?SxSeriesID=2961

Andrew

Grand Trunk Western 8-door high-cube 86' boxcars

Original paint scheme

Later GTW schemes with 'the Good Track road' slogan 

Built in 1966 by Thrall Car

GTW 378115-378217

Andrew

SOO LINE three-bay open-top hoppers in O scale

plastic body version

aluminum body version, instead of the heavy zinc body version.

SOO 60631-60729

Andrew

SEABOARD SYSTEM three-bay, open-top hopper in O scale

SEABOARD SYSTEM 65' gondola in O scale

SEABOARD SYSTEM auto rack on a TTGX TRAILER TRAIN 89' flat car

Andrew

Chessie System three-bay open-top hoppers

B&O

C&O

WM

plastic body version

aluminum body version, instead of the heavy zinc body version

Andrew

NW Norfolk and Western 1970's scheme three-bay open-top hoppers

plastic body version

highly-detailed aluminum body version, instead of making them out of the too heavy zinc.

Andrew

NEW YORK CENTRAL

NYC 8 door High-Cube 86' boxcar

Andrew

A modest proposal ... a caboose to accompany the existing freight cars that bear LIONEL STEEL décor. Bay window model preferred, but a work caboose would be a satisfactory option.

Mike Mottler     LCCA 12394

                                       Lionscale Wood chip cars?

My wish for the next catalog are as follows.

1. Works correctly out of the box, no loose pieces floating around in the box

2. Correctly painted, accurate representation of what they are trying to model

3. Knuckle couplers that work

4. No cheap *** assembly like what we got from that factory in Vietnam with the two bay hoppers

5. Back to paint, no chipping paint like what we got with the milk cars on the door hinges.

Is that to much to ask for????

DL&W H16-44, Legacy 2-6-0s in DL&W or Strasburg paint (I missed the last release), a baldwin style 2-8-0 in various schemes (not the harriman or h10)

@superwarp1 posted:

Is that to much to ask for????

Nope, so I'll add a Western Maryland 4-8-4 Potomac and I'd like to second SIRT's request for the wood chip hoppers and falconservice's 65' gondola idea.

The Lionel 2021 volume 2 can’t get here fast enough. Please include the Central Maine and Quebec Railway. S’il vous plait!

Vision line centennial dd40ax

Smoke fluid #83277 (PINE SCENTED) ?

Please Lionel, a Canadian Pacific SD70ACU in the CORRECT military tribute camo paint scheme. Please DON"T make it in the hideous day-glo florescent colors that the other train company did.

As a military veteran and Canadian Pacific fan, I would be proud to own this locomotive.

@Madockawando posted:

Please Lionel, a Canadian Pacific SD70ACU in the CORRECT military tribute camo paint scheme. Please DON"T make it in the hideous day-glo florescent colors that the other train company did.

I second that!

On the topic of accessories:

How about the American Flyer "Cow on the Tracks" accessory?
I think a modern one with command control and a mooing cow would be a great seller.


This video is from highballpainting on YouTube.


Bryce

Long Island RR tichy scheme H16-44. (With Modified handrail tooling)

Long Island RR blue & yellow alco S2 & grey/ orange

Long Island RR “steel thruway to the fair gateway” 21” worlds fair cars

Long island 18” “cannonball” blue & grey parlor cars with station sounds diner

Vision 700E Hudson re-issue with boiler speaker & reciprocating cylinders.

Vision Dreyfuss Hudson w/ multiple drive wheel configurations, normal & PT tenders w/ water scoop effect & correctly tooled 20th century Ltd cars 1938 & 1940

Vision CC2 re-issue with boiler speaker & a fantasy Tuscan scheme. Yes I think a Tuscan CC2 would be amazing!

Vision line PRR T1 (new tooling 6110 & 6111 skirted prototypes, unskirted w/ portholes & unskirted W/O portholes.

PRR K4 in multiple variations & Brass Hybrid PRR K5 (add swinging bell)

SP AC12 cab forward re-issue. SP/ SP lines & SP grey boiler with red cab roof. (Maybe add some vision features like a speaker in the boiler & road specific crew talk)

Vision (or at least road specific crew talk & a speaker boiler) Y6b with brass hybrid y6a, vision coal hopper cars (freight sounds, loading/ unloading sound sequence) & die cast water tenders with freight sounds & engine maintenance dialog, plus a very nicely detailed caboose.

I don’t want all this in the next catalog, just one or 2 pieces, but this is my long term 5 year Lionel wish list.

Bonus: Vision line Thomas the tank engine!!!

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Vision 700E Hudson re-issue with boiler speaker & reciprocating cylinders.

Using ALL of the K Line tooling this time.

Since Lionel came out with the "triclops" SD60M, how about the EMD/BN SD60MAC triclops.

Also the Alco Plant switcher "5"

How about the ALCo RS11 demonstrator trio?

And speaking of ALCo's, Lionel brought out the ALCo S4 switcher so where is the PRR ALCo S4 version?

@Madockawando posted:

Please Lionel, a Canadian Pacific SD70ACU in the CORRECT military tribute camo paint scheme. Please DON"T make it in the hideous day-glo florescent colors that the other train company did.

As a military veteran and Canadian Pacific fan, I would be proud to own this locomotive.

100% agree. I also hope if Lionel does make these, they use the SD90MAC long hood rather than the SD70ACe like MTH did. I'll also throw in a vote for the CN military tribute units. I know Lionel has the ET44AC model in traditional size, but it would be nice to see one made in scale size as well.

Rob

@robmcc posted:

100% agree. I also hope if Lionel does make these, they use the SD90MAC long hood rather than the SD70ACe like MTH did. I'll also throw in a vote for the CN military tribute units. I know Lionel has the ET44AC model in traditional size, but it would be nice to see one made in scale size as well.

Rob

Double plus plus YES!

1. Legacy F40 and Cabbage re-run

2. Legacy Hudsons w/whistle steam that aren't New York Central. So much to choose from. ATSF 3460s would get orders, as would New Haven I5 Shoreliners and Milwaukee F7s. Wabash P1s and Lackawanna M1s could be a surprise success.

3. Legacy Santa Fe 3400 class heavy Pacifics w/whistle steam, based on their later appearance as rebuilt with disc drivers (see ATSF 3415)

Just a general comment, if there are two Road names I am tired of seeing, it’s the NYC and the Pennsylvania.

Sound in all powered units. No more just in 1 A of an AA set, there both powered now anyhow.

@RickO posted:

Using ALL of the K Line tooling this time.

Ouch that would hurt the wallet, but yes! I agree, I would love to see Lionel utilize all the k-line tooling.

@superwarp1 posted:

My wish for the next catalog are as follows.

1. Works correctly out of the box, no loose pieces floating around in the box

2. Correctly painted, accurate representation of what they are trying to model

3. Knuckle couplers that work

4. No cheap *** assembly like what we got from that factory in Vietnam with the two bay hoppers

5. Back to paint, no chipping paint like what we got with the milk cars on the door hinges.

Is that to much to ask for????

And, of course, articulated couplers. BTW, this is not a wish. It is absolutely essential.

Pat

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Since Lionel came out with the "triclops" SD60M, how about the EMD/BN SD60MAC triclops.

Also the Alco Plant switcher "5"

How about the ALCo RS11 demonstrator trio?

And speaking of ALCo's, Lionel brought out the ALCo S4 switcher so where is the PRR ALCo S4 version?

PRR alco S4... I would reserve one, also any legacy Penn Central switcher would have my reservation.

Agree with previous post that whatever is proffered, better attention is paid to quality control.

The Duluth, Winnipeg & Pacific 'Spirit of '76' Bicentennial RS-11 locomotive and matching DWP 'Spirit of '76' wood caboose.

DWP ore car or ore cars.

Andrew

True 1:48th scale sidewalk with figures of people moving around the sidewalk using moving magnets below the sidewalk for use at a train station or in a city.

Andrew 

Detroit & Toledo Shoreline 8-door 86' high-cube boxcar

D&TS 5772

The Grand Trunk Western acquired them.

Andrew

Detroit & Toledo Shoreline 1976 Bicentennial GP7 diesel-electric locomotive

Detroit & Toledo Shoreline 1976 Bicentennial center-cupola steel caboose

Detroit & Toledo Shoreline blue O scale 50' double-door boxcars

Andrew

Great idea!! It looks sharp!

@FJI posted:

A set of 21 inch PRR congressional passenger cars including the specialty cars with correct interiors

I asked Ryan Kunkle for this set about 2 years ago and his reply was "That would be very cool to make!" So I'm optimistic we will see it eventually. Probably when they are ready to produce GG1s again.

The 1950's era design of the 50' double-door boxcar that is modernized post-1966 and has one or two plug doors on each side to represent boxcars from railroad such as the Akron, Canton & Youngstown, Norfolk & Western, RF&P, DR&GW, British Columbia Railway, and Canadian National.

The new National Steel Car covered hoppers built for the Canadian National and the Canadian Pacific are a distinct design that has to be made in 1:48th Scale, 1:64th scale, and in Traditional O gauge proportions.

https://www.cn.ca/en/stories/2...ar-fleet-innovation/

https://www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=15501

Andrew

Legacy reissue of the 2010 Vision Hudson, same tooling.
With some different road names and non-spoked drivers available (like the 1997 Santa Fe #3447).

Dave

I would like to see some reissues as well, Lionel can differentiate the locomotives with new road names and numbers.

I would love to see Legacy RS3's with smoke, not sure if the K-Line tooling would have the internal room, but it would be a definite must buy for me in a bunch of roads.

How about some Amtrak stuff for their 50th Anniversary!

I'd like to see reissued amfleets & Cab cars. It would be better if Lionel produced them in phase III since they only made phase IVb amfleets, circa 2010 (the last time they were sold). I don’t know if this would be possible, but a model of #1001 (Beech Grove) would be a welcomed addition. If Lionel keeps the 0-36 minimum, that allows people with smaller layouts to order these cars too!

It would also be nice for a re-issue of the legacy F40PH.
Final thought: a legacy version of the HHP-8?

Please let me know your thoughts on these product ideas.

Bryce

@3 rail alco doctor posted:

I would love to see Legacy RS3's with smoke, not sure if the K-Line tooling would have the internal room, but it would be a definite must buy for me in a bunch of roads.

The people at LIONEL would have to make a scale version of the RS3 using the former Weaver Models RS3.

Andrew

texas and pacific 2-10-4

M1a.

Pat

How about a ma and pa nw2 in lc+2.0?

My big wish is that Lionel stop changing the paint schemes on locomotives between catalog photos and production. This goes especially for high end BTO items that people have to preorder.

When you order this..........................

and get this.............................

or ordered this...........................

and get this........................

something went wrong somewhere. At some point someone made the decision to paint the smoke box a different color. Why does this happen? I wish it would stop! It is just not right to do this to your customers who pay a premium up front, and deserve to get what they paid for.

Vision NYC Dreyfuss Hudson with whistle and other steam effects and accurate passenger cars.  

Amtrak phase 1 E8s.

@Johnny Winkler posted:

Amtrak phase 1 E8s.

They did.

Yeah,but try to find any now.

@Johnny Winkler posted:

Yeah,but try to find any now.

If they run e8s again. Find a dealer to do a custom run . I talked Mr muffins into doing those.  Maybe you can't get him to do them again next time e8s show up in catalog.  Or maybe Lionel will offer them.

I was very disappointed I missed the MrMuffins run. Thought I might have more than a month to buy a set but no extras were available. The first train I ever got as a kid was the Lionel Lake Shore Limited so I would like a Legacy version of the Amtrak phase 1 paint scheme sometime in the future. I would be happy with fantasy F3s too like the old Lionel ones. It looks like the O scale business truly is built to order now or you miss out.

highly-detailed O scale Grand Trunk Western extended-vision caboose

Grand Trunk Western blue Theater Car

Andrew

See, I want a GTW caboose, but one that feels more steam era appropriate.  Although with how everyone complains about Lionel's trucks lately, I don't know if I would want one of theirs.

i forgot to add these in my original post  but how about a lionchief reissue of the maritime exploration titanic set as well as a redo of the operation eagle justice set. perhaps lionel could give that cancelled new haven ft trailer van lionchief set another try as i think what killed it was lack of orders caused by an incorrect name for the set. It was labeled as an alco set when the art showed an EMD FT diesel. what a pitty because that set was beautiful and would have looked great hauling freight as main for the Allegheny City local train AC077.

An O scale wood caboose with the 1930's and 1940's era paint scheme of the Grand Trunk Western for the GTW steam locomotives that have been released in the past 10 years would be good.

An O scale wood caboose with the 1950's era paint scheme of the Grand Trunk Western to run behind trains with GTW early diesel locomotives has not been done yet.

Andrew

LC2.0 alco FA AA

another stab at some LC2.0 FT units

Legacy - Fp7’s

Legacy - ACS 64

Legacy - Strasburg 2-10-0

@paigetrain posted:

LC2.0 alco FA AA

another stab at some LC2.0 FT units

If they could get the ft 2.0s down to 500 (what I think the first run of 1.0s were priced at), I’d be very interested in a b&o.

@N&WGuy posted:

"It’d be nice to see another run of the Legacy Norfolk & Western Y6b’s"

Yep!!! This is the item to produce!

@tom21pa posted:

Sound in all powered units. No more just in 1 A of an AA set, there both powered now anyhow.

MTH finally saw the light, sadly maybe too late, and got rid of the slave A unit with it's horrid cable connection.  Yes, now that Lionel finally powers both units, they need sound in all powered units like Atlas and Sunset do.

LionChief Plus 2.0 RUTLAND starter set with RS-3 (Alco trucks, natch), Operating Milk Car, flat with marble load, and wood-sided NYC caboose painted for the RUTLAND.

Jon

A kit to convert Lionchief and Lionchief+ engines to Lionchief+ 2.0

Believe I posted this request once before, but cant remember when... But

I would like to see 21" UP Generator car to round out the George Bush Funeral train. It's the only one I'm lacking.

I'll make my usual plug for Lionel to let us have some fun with foreign trains like a Gresley A4 or the Orient Express.  The Flying Scotsman actually ran on American rails for at least a year or two - maybe start there?

I also think it would be really cool for Lionel to make double use of its S-gauge and HO-track and its O-scale lineup to make narrow gauge engines.  Maybe Durango & Silverton or Cumbres & Toltec to start?  Lionel could do a gorgeous Legacy version of some of those old steamers and run them on its own track, to O-scale proportions.

As far as features, I think the effects - like cylinder steam and whistle steam and swinging bells - are amazing and one of the reasons I love O gauge.  Just as whistle steam has gradually spread across the whole Legacy line, I hope cylinder steam and other special effects will find their way outside the Vision realm and into more and more locomotives.  The reciprocating smoke effect on the GS-series looks awesome.

I also want to take a minute to compliment Lionel on what seems like a fantastic improvement to the smoke units.  I got one of the Lionmaster Big Boys and it smokes like a chimney!  It's great!

I almost forgot: an operating/uncoupling track that responds to command control.  This can't be more difficult than putting Legacy into the switches (which was a watershed upgrade for me).

Gosh Guys. 

Is the ink on the last catalog even dry.  :-)

Mannyrock

@Mannyrock posted:

Gosh Guys.

Is the ink on the last catalog even dry.  :-)

Mannyrock

Next catalog comes out in two months! I say keep’em coming!

Oops,  sorry.  I thought it came out in December.

Mannyrock

Given how highly coveted the Atlas O engine house is - I wish Lionel would make a two stall engine house in a similar fashion.

I would love to see lionel come out with the 4-4-2 A class hiawatha with scale passenger cars either in the 1935 or 1938-40s(?) Livery as that hasn't been done in a while.

It would also be cool if they did a  NYC hudson with the J1e, Dreyfuss, Commodore Vanderbilt(even though I have one).

Lastly with extremely high prices on ebay and many other places it would be cool to see a Vision Line Big Boy maybe of both tooling versions of the Wilson afterccoler?

I hope that list is OK and not an exact copy of everyone else's posts

Best,

Gino Fabbricante

I would be happy with a Dreyfuss.  I could then run my problem child (another brand) with it's centipede tender down the road.  It abhours turnouts.  I could add blind wheels, but should I have too?

A UP F series ABBA, or run the E series again would be wonderful.  As nice as my UP & NYC ALCOs  are, I thinkI am an EMD fan.  MY NYC E-8s look better to me.  I will move the ALCOs and Dreyfuss down the road if and when.....

O scale SOO LINE gondola with covers in the 1963-1968 Colormark paint scheme.

Andrew

GREAT NORTHERN big sky blue, plug-door, 7-Post 50' boxcars

SOO LINE plug-door, 7-Post 50' boxcars 

Andrew

Great Northern big sky blue, rib-sided wood chip gondola

Andrew

more MPI / Morrison Knudsen lease locomotives. perhaps they could do some in the lionchief plus 2.0 line because i did see an MK locomotive on google that looked a lot like a gp20 without the dynamic brake hatch

Next PRR steam engine, I would like to see it have the sound of a pneumatic operated bell such as heard here.

@Madockawando posted:

I would like to see some reissues as well, Lionel can differentiate the locomotives with new road names and numbers.

Unfortunately it seems most of their engine re-runs duplicate previous numbers.

@GenesisFan99 posted:

1. Legacy F40 and Cabbage re-run

2. Legacy Hudsons w/whistle steam that aren't New York Central. So much to choose from. ATSF 3460s would get orders, as would New Haven I5 Shoreliners and Milwaukee F7s. Wabash P1s and Lackawanna M1s could be a surprise success.

3. Legacy Santa Fe 3400 class heavy Pacifics w/whistle steam, based on their later appearance as rebuilt with disc drivers (see ATSF 3415)

Would all these require new tooling? Heard MTH dropped the I5 because orders didn't justify new tooling cost. They said the 3460 frame wouldn't appease the rivet counters and a new frame was too much $$$.

Any takers on the odds Lionel purchased some MTH steam engine tooling?

@GenesisFan99 posted:

2. Legacy Hudsons w/whistle steam that aren't New York Central. So much to choose from. ATSF 3460s would get orders, as would New Haven I5 Shoreliners and Milwaukee F7s. Wabash P1s and Lackawanna M1s could be a surprise success.

Why wait for Lionel to make an ATSF 3460 class Hudson? MTH has made them twice. I own 4 of them. Great models.

Manufactures don't need to make things that have already been made, they need to make things that haven't been made before.

@Lou1985 posted:

Why wait for Lionel to make an ATSF 3460 class Hudson? MTH has made them twice. I own 4 of them. Great models.

Manufactures don't need to make things that have already been made, they need to make things that haven't been made before.

Why wait for Lionel to make an ATSF Hudson? Well for one it will have Legacy, secondly this thread is the Lionel next catalog wish list. I suppose that you can add it to the “Next MTH catalog Wish List” thread. 😉

@Madockawando posted:

Why wait for Lionel to make an ATSF Hudson? Well for one it will have Legacy, secondly this thread is the Lionel next catalog wish list. I suppose that you can add it to the “Next MTH catalog Wish List” thread. 😉

Because it's been done. Wish for new models. We don't need every manufacture to make everything. Both MTH and Lionel make overlapping steam models (SP GS, LIMA Berks, Challenger, Big Boys, on and on). Lionel needs to make NEW stuff. Don't make a ATSF 3460 class Hudson, it's been done. Lionel should make something new, like an ATSF 3400 class Pacific. Never been done in 3 rail. That would be something to wish for.

I want NEW products. Not something that has been made before. I could care less if it has DCS or TMCC/Legacy. Just give me something that hasn't been made before.....

"I could care less if it has DCS or TMCC/Legacy."

While I can see your point, I think there is a substantial segment of the Lionel market that simply doesn't consider anything made by companies that don't use TMCC/Legacy as suitable for their collection/layout.  Some folks will not buy MTH as a matter of principle or preference; the proportion of the market feeling this way is unknown. There are, of course,  those who will not buy Lionel for whatever reason, such as it doesn't have PS3/DCS.

Conventional only folks would presumably be just as happy with a PS3 loco as one from Lionel in many instances. However many Lionel customers use only TMCC/Legacy/Lionchief so that they want the same loco MTH made with their preferred control system(s). Speaking personally, I rarely buy a PS3 (and almost never a PS2 or PS1) loco no matter how beautiful or interesting.  I made an exception for one of the 44 ton locos from MTH. But that's uncommon for me.  Nothing personal, just don't want a roster with numerous locos using another control system.  Now that DCS may be on the fade, that preference is even stronger, at least for me.