@Norm Charbonneau posted:

Legacy upgrade kits would be dreamy.

Have they ever done that?

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Have they ever done that?

No and I doubt they will.  Why sell you the electronics when they can sell you a new engine with electronics.  While some of the folks here that are comfortable doing the needed work to install existing Legacy electronics into older engines and are able to perform these transplants, I doubt Lionel would produce an upgrade kit that would make it consumer friendly.  Just my opinion.

Like Marty said, no and probably not ever. I'd bet mostly due to the customer support time sink that would come along with it. It would still be cool though, and I'm thinking basically packaged like a Legacy ERR setup.

They no longer stock the early Legacy parts, so we can't even repair oem stuff.

No way in **** they would offer an upgrade kit.

Besides, need an upgrade??? Just buy a newer model!😉

Amtrak's Siemens Charger • I shot these at Pontiac Station, Michigan

I was at a friends house last week and he has a HO Layout and he has this in HO Scale. What's up....?

Hope to see you out rail-fanning: Gary 🚂

@MartyE posted:

No and I doubt they will.  Why sell you the electronics when they can sell you a new engine with electronics.  While some of the folks here that are comfortable doing the needed work to install existing Legacy electronics into older engines and are able to perform these transplants, I doubt Lionel would produce an upgrade kit that would make it consumer friendly.  Just my opinion.

Yeah, I wouldn't think they would. The only way they would do any sort of stuff similar to that would be like a warranty repair or replacement where you have to provide proof of purchase or such.

@RickO posted:

They no longer stock the early Legacy parts, so we can't even repair oem stuff.

No way in **** they would offer an upgrade kit.

Besides, need an upgrade??? Just buy a newer model!😉

@MartyE posted:

No and I doubt they will.  Why sell you the electronics when they can sell you a new engine with electronics.  While some of the folks here that are comfortable doing the needed work to install existing Legacy electronics into older engines and are able to perform these transplants, I doubt Lionel would produce an upgrade kit that would make it consumer friendly.  Just my opinion.

Still though, this could be profitable for them.

I'm guessing they own all the IP, layouts, and other things for the circuit boards, so they could probably take the manufacturing of them anywhere they want. In quantity those boards can't be that expensive. I'm sure someone here with EE experience could do a BoM on them and get a rough idea of parts cost in quantity. I would guess those boards cost under $30 in quantity to Lionel. They could easily charge $200 for them (RCMC + RSLite, smoke unit, pigtail harnesses, speaker, and microswitches, etc.) and do it without any warranty, and wash their hands of it.

Hmm. Then again, for a brief period of time they marketed ERR stuff in their catalog. Even had a Lionel p/n.

Pepperidge Farm remembers:

http://www.lionel.com/products...mmandertrade-6-elrr1

So, for at least a brief moment in time, they weren't averse to offering command control upgrades.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Yeah, we all want that scale T1 Duplex as well, considering how the real life project is coming along, they have to be moving towards bringing one back to the small rails.

I've been hoping this is how it goes down. 

@Brian DeFazio posted:

Scale rs-3 with legacy.   How has this never been done???

I just bought my LC+2.0 RS3's but it sure would be cool to have some done in Legacy. I've also wondered how it hasn't been done. Maybe there's less real estate in the shell for the electronics? I'm planning to just upgrade my RS3's. The LC+2.0 RS3 has been awesome for me.

An "install at your risk" Legacy upgrade kit would be awesome!!

If Lionel no longer stocks legacy parts, what happens if your $1600.00 Legacy engine bites the dust, it can’t be fixed?

@trainroomgary posted:

I was at a friends house last week and he has a HO Layout and he has this in HO Scale. What's up....?

Hey, everything exists in HO scale and there's a lot of stuff you'd assume to already be in O but has never been (and maybe never will).

If I had a nickel for each time I saw something in HO and wished it was also in O, Bill Gates would be shining my shoes right now.

Most of the modern Legacy stuff I look up seems to have full availability of parts on the support site. I remember some of it being listed as 'call for availability' in the past. It's the vintage TMCC stuff (save for an odd LCRU or two) that's been taken out.

@ironman1 posted:

If Lionel no longer stocks legacy parts, what happens if your $1600.00 Legacy engine bites the dust, it can’t be fixed?

@Norm Charbonneau posted:

Most of the modern Legacy stuff I look up seems to have full availability of parts on the support site. I remember some of it being listed as 'call for availability' in the past. It's the vintage TMCC stuff (save for an odd LCRU or two) that's been taken out.

What's not available any longer is modular electronics (both TMCC and Legacy). All of the RailSounds 4.0, 5.0, 5.5, 6.0 as well as R4LC, DCDS, DCDS-J (Odyssey 1 and 2 motor controllers) and associated smoke regulators are NLA. They were in-stock one day, and gone the next. I think I probably got one of the last RS 6.0 boards they sold because I've been working on a scale T1. Literally like a few weeks after I received my board, they disappeared, right before the warehouse sale.

Legacy repair parts are still available for newer generations. The BEMC, RCMC are still available.

Not to mention all the nice RS4 motherboards for mounting the audio boards and power supplies. So now's their chance to make up for it. Legacy upgrades with RR-specific RS Lite boards. Keep it simple, motor control could be BEMC style.

@Norm Charbonneau posted:

Hmm. Then again, for a brief period of time they marketed ERR stuff in their catalog. Even had a Lionel p/n.

Pepperidge Farm remembers:

http://www.lionel.com/products...mmandertrade-6-elrr1

So, for at least a brief moment in time, they weren't averse to offering command control upgrades.

You mean when Dr. ZW @SantaFeFan was working for them?  The man behind ERR?  I think Lionel bought the business when Jon came to work for them but I'm sure Jon can tell us for sure if he wishes.

" I think Lionel bought the business when Jon came to work for them but I'm sure Jon can tell us for sure if he wishes."

That's my memory of those events.  Pretty much simultaneous in time.

Back on the subject of future locomotives, I would also love to see a New Haven I-5 Hudson. They could do a variety of detail variations such as the block lettering or large script on the tender. Combined with the features like whistle steam and legacy railsounds it would be a great choice to bring to the O scale market! Lionel has been good to the New Haven fans recently and hope that continues!

Interesting thread.   Yes, Lionel purchased Electric RR in its entirety, Technology, Patents, and Dr ZW too!  A very vibrant time at Lionel in those years, when I joined (2005); with Lou Kovach and Neil young heading the Legacy Charge!  Loved the Videos with Clyde, Magneta, and the "System".  My participation in the Legacy development was a once in a lifetime event to experience.  Legacy forever changed the landscape of train control, and everything since has been limited to incremental improvements.  Lionel had originally planned a Legacy upgrade business, however, time did not permit my development of the code to include into the Cruise Commander, etc.  There was an R4LC upgrade part, but it never was offered for sale.  It was intended to replace the R4LC and run TMCC locos in Legacy mode.  Lou  demo'd the upgrade in a trade show (I think in Chicago?),  A busy time for sure, with Legacy, then Vision, and building up teams to meet the aggressive schedules...

Good 'ol Days!

@p51 posted:

Hey, everything exists in HO scale and there's a lot of stuff you'd assume to already be in O but has never been (and maybe never will).

If I had a nickel for each time I saw something in HO and wished it was also in O, Bill Gates would be shining my shoes right now.

Hi p51 - True:

Here is the HO version. Notice the Destination Board says: “Pontiac” - Pontiac is about ten miles from my train room. Like to ride my bicycle in the summer to check out the trains.

Hope to see you out rail-fanning: Gary 🚂

@trainroomgary posted:

Hi p51 - True:

Here is the HO version. Notice the Destination Board says: “Pontiac” - Pontiac is about ten miles from my train room. Like to ride my bicycle in the summer to check out the trains.

Gary, I live around 10 miles from the BNSF/UP/Amtrak mainline between Vancouver BC (Canada) and LA. The Amtrak Cascade trains have these Chargers and I've seen several HO scale models of them at hobby shops.

I've talked with a couple of Amtrak engineers who hate running these units. They give the same alarm for everything, requiring them to look away from the front end. I've also been told the suspension bottoms out below the height of the tops of rails. On bumpy tracks, the pilot on one could dig into grade crossings.

There's Amtrak 1402, the Charger which took a ride down the embankment at Dupont, WA in the fatal '501 crash' from 5 years ago. I wouldn't imagine anyone would want to make a model of that one. I caught that unit originally being delivered to Seattle for service in this photo.

It's all moot, as I model the 1940s, so nothing like this would be anything I could use.

i wonder if lionel still has that chonky oversized dash 9 tooling like what was used for SP 8228 and the GE demo unit

i would like to see it come back with lionchief plus 2.0 and also the old 90s era SD60M and SD50 models too

A bump and go trolley that can run on fixed voltage. 

Alright I’ll jump in…how about a chop nose GP9? Something a little different.
Honestly, with all of the custom runs and some lucky finds in the 2nd hand market, my wish list of stuff is getting low. Possibly a blue comet rerun? That’s overdue.

It’ll be interesting to see what Mth tooling they roll out. We haven’t seen a unique electric in a while and Mth had tooling for some good ones.

Legacy version of the Warhorse Hudson, from the VL Hudson tooling but with disc drivers.

Also, an unlettered option.

Dave

there's a workbench wednesday tonight i wonder if Ryan will tease any catalog stuff

me on the 12th be like-

a clear diesel with LEDs all inside of it

I think I had said in one of the other catalog drop topics from a few years back, a Pennsy Torpedo. I know that there have been some other manufacturers that have done this, and I believe done well. It would be interesting to see them do one. Granted, I think it may be a bit before they would do this with the load of Pennsy K4's that have popped out in recent years. Maybe just down the road, what do you all think?

@SantaFeFan posted:

Interesting thread.   Yes, Lionel purchased Electric RR in its entirety, Technology, Patents, and Dr ZW too!  A very vibrant time at Lionel in those years, when I joined (2005); with Lou Kovach and Neil young heading the Legacy Charge!  Loved the Videos with Clyde, Magneta, and the "System".  My participation in the Legacy development was a once in a lifetime event to experience.  Legacy forever changed the landscape of train control, and everything since has been limited to incremental improvements.  Lionel had originally planned a Legacy upgrade business, however, time did not permit my development of the code to include into the Cruise Commander, etc.  There was an R4LC upgrade part, but it never was offered for sale.  It was intended to replace the R4LC and run TMCC locos in Legacy mode.  Lou  demo'd the upgrade in a trade show (I think in Chicago?),  A busy time for sure, with Legacy, then Vision, and building up teams to meet the aggressive schedules...

Good 'ol Days!

I'd sure love to see them spit out a Legacy Upgrade kit, that would be really great!

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'd sure love to see them spit out a Legacy Upgrade kit, that would be really great!

It sounds like "they "were working on it, and "they" probably would have.

Unfortunately, " they "aren't there anymore.

@RickO posted:

It sounds like "they "were working on it, and "they" probably would have.

Unfortunately, " they "aren't there anymore.

Well, somebody is there doing development!  That's the they I'd like to see work on it.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

Well, somebody is there doing development!  That's the they I'd like to see work on it.

I don't think "they're" interested John.😆

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

I think I had said in one of the other catalog drop topics from a few years back, a Pennsy Torpedo. I know that there have been some other manufacturers that have done this, and I believe done well. It would be interesting to see them do one. Granted, I think it may be a bit before they would do this with the load of Pennsy K4's that have popped out in recent years. Maybe just down the road, what do you all think?

i like this idea as a lionchief plus 2.0 engine i could possibly go for

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

I think I had said in one of the other catalog drop topics from a few years back, a Pennsy Torpedo. I know that there have been some other manufacturers that have done this, and I believe done well. It would be interesting to see them do one. Granted, I think it may be a bit before they would do this with the load of Pennsy K4's that have popped out in recent years. Maybe just down the road, what do you all think?

I’m not interested in anymore K4s unless they fix that gearbox.

@rplst8 posted:

I’m not interested in anymore K4s unless they fix that gearbox.

If they did a torpedo the gearbox is probably a non-issue. I’d think they’d just use the Mth torpedo tooling with legacy.

@EricTrainMan posted:

If they did a torpedo the gearbox is probably a non-issue. I’d think they’d just use the Mth torpedo tooling with legacy.

how much do you think it would cost ?

around 900 -1000?

No clue if I already said this in here, if not I'll just ask for forgiveness and say it again, roadrailers. Especially if they're the old K-line railmate tooling. The darn things go for like $200 on the popular auction site we all know and loathe and the only way to expand my roadrailer train without nuking my bank account has been to modify pre-existing trailers with the trucks of old plastic MPC cabeese and Legos to hold the trailers in place.

I personally would love to see more Lionmaster steam engines that have all the neat featured of scale steam engines. I think those that Lionel already produced have been mega sales hits.

And it would definitely fill the need for "scale like" engines for those of us that don't have room for layouts that employ 072/080/090 curves.

@Junior posted:

I personally would love to see more Lionmaster steam engines that have all the neat featured of scale steam engines. I think those that Lionel already produced have been mega sales hits.

And it would definitely fill the need for "scale like" engines for those of us that don't have room for layouts that employ 072/080/090 curves.

Totally agree!  Not sure the still do lionmaster but do the same thing under the lionchief plus 2.0 brand.

Anybody know if lionel is printing the whole catalog this time ?

i really hope they do

@Norm Charbonneau posted:

Hmm. Then again, for a brief period of time they marketed ERR stuff in their catalog. Even had a Lionel p/n.

Pepperidge Farm remembers:

http://www.lionel.com/products...mmandertrade-6-elrr1

So, for at least a brief moment in time, they weren't averse to offering command control upgrades.

And I remember, too.  Those were the day, my friend, we thought they'd never end...

Here is my wish list locomotive for the next Lionel catalog: The 0-10-2.  If Lionel has unsold 2-10-10-2's, they could cut them in half and make some of these.  I hope Lionel sees this. If you build it, please make it in ATSF or BNSF scheme for my layout.  I suppose I could run my decapod backwards to match this, but it is a bit smaller.  For more information and pictures of the prototype 0-10-2, go to:

https://www.trains.com/ctr/rai...on-railroads-0-10-2/

http://greenvillemuseumalliance.org/railroad

@MI-Marc posted:

Here is my wish list locomotive for the next Lionel catalog: The 0-10-2.  If Lionel has unsold 2-10-10-2's, they could cut them in half and make some of these.  I hope Lionel sees this.

That's not how building a new engine works.  They would need to create all new tooling to make it look right and fit the components for making it operate.

@Jack Texas Special posted:

I hope that they finish off the train with the remaining 3 cars that have not been cataloged yet (I got these images from my iPhone video):

Heavyweight parlor car for the end of the train

The heavyweight 2 pack due to arrive this month includes Parlor "Pinehurst" and Observation "Roamer". 

I agree that Lionel should continue making ACWR cars, I know they have more in their fleet than just the 4 cars Lionel is making.

They have a roster on their website Our Passenger Car Fleet - ACW Railway Company

@rplst8 posted:

I’m not interested in anymore K4s unless they fix that gearbox.

I agree.

@EricTrainMan posted:

If they did a torpedo the gearbox is probably a non-issue. I’d think they’d just use the Mth torpedo tooling with legacy.

Well, it depends on if they have ever fixed what they were doing wrong. I think in one of the replies on the K4 topic Pat started, there was a slight change on a newer engines(forget what one) but it really didn't solve the gearbox issue as a whole. Yeah, it did make it slightly better than the slippage from the gear stripping K4, but the gear still had some play.

That being said, don't know what the ground up from a Torpedo would be. I would imagine it is the same chassis, so it more than likely would be one to have a good look at of being wary of. Unless Dave has a Demo's with Dave but where he talks about improvements to gearboxes and other nooks and crannies, we should all beware of what will happen to what we want to buy.

The amount of quality control problems over the years is like a crazy stock market chart. It will look like things are okey, then there's a dive, comes back up, then right through the floor. They need to get way better control on that aspect of their business in general.

@ironman1 posted:

If Lionel no longer stocks legacy parts, what happens if your $1600.00 Legacy engine bites the dust, it can’t be fixed?

You go third party with ERR.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Well, it depends on if they have ever fixed what they were doing wrong. I think in one of the replies on the K4 topic Pat started, there was a slight change on a newer engines(forget what one) but it really didn't solve the gearbox issue as a whole. Yeah, it did make it slightly better than the slippage from the gear stripping K4, but the gear still had some play.

That being said, don't know what the ground up from a Torpedo would be. I would imagine it is the same chassis, so it more than likely would be one to have a good look at of being wary of. Unless Dave has a Demo's with Dave but where he talks about improvements to gearboxes and other nooks and crannies, we should all beware of what will happen to what we want to buy.

The amount of quality control problems over the years is like a crazy stock market chart. It will look like things are okey, then there's a dive, comes back up, then right through the floor. They need to get way better control on that aspect of their business in general.

I agree with you on the QC and the gearbox if they used the theirs from the k4. My point was that unless they’ve been working on their own torpedo, I’d think they’d just use the Mth premier torpedo made in the Mth factory with former Mth tooling. Same as they’ve done with the other former Mth items. Then the gearbox isn’t an issue.

@paigetrain posted:

Anybody know if lionel is printing the whole catalog this time ?

Don't know, but I'll bet money and give you odds they don't print the complete catalog.

@EricTrainMan posted:

I agree with you on the QC and the gearbox if they used the theirs from the k4. My point was that unless they’ve been working on their own torpedo, I’d think they’d just use the Mth premier torpedo made in the Mth factory with former Mth tooling. Same as they’ve done with the other former Mth items. Then the gearbox isn’t an issue.

Hopefully if they got the right to use the toolings, we can hope.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

Don't know, but I'll bet money and give you odds they don't print the complete catalog.

There had been a topic about that, and I really don't mind if they don't. Sure it is great to have something in your hands, but is it really necessary in the end? Maybe. I don't mind as I can look at it online for a while before getting on in hand.

@EricTrainMan posted:

I agree with you on the QC and the gearbox if they used the theirs from the k4. My point was that unless they’ve been working on their own torpedo, I’d think they’d just use the Mth premier torpedo made in the Mth factory with former Mth tooling. Same as they’ve done with the other former Mth items. Then the gearbox isn’t an issue.

That's not a given. The tooling for the current Legacy K4s was formerly K-Line. Granted, the K-Line version wasn't built like a tank, but Lionel added an intermediate gear to that one.

I don't know if we can assume they're not changing current re-releases of MTH tooling internally to suit the Legacy electronics. My guess is since they are using smaller, less torquey motors, they need higher RPMs for good speed control and therefore require a reduction in gearing.

I don't know what came in the original MTH K4 Torpedo, or the upcoming former MTH PRR L1s (which is of a similar size) but maybe we'll get some info when that is released.

@RixTrack posted:

You go third party with ERR.

As stated many times... the ERR R4LC C08 will not work correctly with Legacy sounds.

@rplst8 posted:

As stated many times... the ERR R4LC C08 will not work correctly with Legacy sounds.

Well, then I guess you would have either compromise or sell it off to someone that doesn’t care.  Nothing lasts forever.

@rplst8 posted:

That's not a given. The tooling for the current Legacy K4s was formerly K-Line. Granted, the K-Line version wasn't built like a tank, but Lionel added an intermediate gear to that one.

I don't know if we can assume they're not changing current re-releases of MTH tooling internally to suit the Legacy electronics. My guess is since they are using smaller, less torquey motors, they need higher RPMs for good speed control and therefore require a reduction in gearing.

I don't know what came in the original MTH K4 Torpedo, or the upcoming former MTH PRR L1s (which is of a similar size) but maybe we'll get some info when that is released.

Yeah, the L1s should be interesting when someone takes one apart. I hope that one of the forum members that knows the ins and outs of tearing stuff apart will do so and shed some light on these when they arrive.

Until that happens we are at the mercy of whatever comes out with or without any information from Lionel. I do hope that they have changed things up with the gearbox issues for the better, but we won't know until we actually see something that shows it.

@Grampstrains posted:

I have seventy-five years worth of catalogs.  At one time they had some value but not so much now.  Online catalogs offer less clutter. Most of the catalogs are on the LCCA website.

Agreed. The only interest I have in full paper catalogs is for the ones that aren't accessible in electronic (PDF) form. If Lionel ceased allowing the download of the catalogs in PDF form, I would want the option to purchase a full paper copy.

I think Lionel threads should be POSTED using one of the three categories.

True scale rolling stock, engines

Non scale rolling stock, engines

Other

A legacy Commodore Vanderbilt would be cool

i said before that i had a dream that lionel got the coars silver bullet tooling and made some lionchief 2.0 stuff with it that wasn't all beer related

my main wish is that tooling is going to be purchased and recycled by lionel

perhaps a futuristic Area 51 set or the train from Firefly as well as my hotwheels train

perhaps even Batman could use that tooling

@paigetrain posted:

i said before that i had a dream that lionel got the coars silver bullet tooling and made some lionchief 2.0 stuff with it that wasn't all beer related

I had heard years ago that the Coors license was no longer effective.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I had heard years ago that the Coors license was no longer effective.

thats why i was wondering if lionel could use that tooling for Area 51 or Hotwheels or something

i really hope we can get a lionchief plus 2.0 S2 turbine actually made

i was really bummed when the s2 set from last year didn't get made

@Patrick B posted:

As long as it's not another reuse of older MTH tooling like the Pennsy S-2 Turbine we had earlier this year.

This is the engine that several of us wanted. It clearly said in the catalog "new tooling." I know you guys know your stuff and I'm extremely disappointed to hear that this in fact, is older MTH tooling. I don't blame Lionel for buying/using it, but I don't want and I don't buy MTH products. For some reason, the set was cancelled. I was hoping it would be offered in 2023...maybe even with some 2400 series passenger cars, but now it's off the table.

What other stuff is out there being made with MTH tooling?

@paigetrain posted:

i really hope we can get a lionchief plus 2.0 S2 turbine actually made

i was really bummed when the s2 set from last year didn't get made

I'm with ya Chief...I really wanted that one.

@LS1Heli posted:

This is the engine that several of us wanted. It clearly said in the catalog "new tooling." I know you guys know your stuff and I'm extremely disappointed to hear that this in fact, is older MTH tooling. I don't blame Lionel for buying/using it, but I don't want and I don't buy MTH products. For some reason, the set was cancelled. I was hoping it would be offered in 2023...maybe even with some 2400 series passenger cars, but now it's off the table.

What other stuff is out there being made with MTH tooling?

@LS1Heli posted:

I'm with ya Chief...I really wanted that one.

You want it, but not if it was formerly owned by MTH?

I don't like MTH products. I remember the turbine when it came out 20 years ago. The Lionel catalog made it sound like it was a new spin on a 671/681/682/2020/8404...not an MTH design.

@paigetrain posted:

i said before that i had a dream that lionel got the coars silver bullet tooling and made some lionchief 2.0 stuff with it that wasn't all beer related

my main wish is that tooling is going to be purchased and recycled by lionel

@paigetrain posted:

thats why i was wondering if lionel could use that tooling for Area 51 or Hotwheels or something

Unfortunately, Lionel would still need permission from Coors to reuse the Silver Bullet train even if it is not in a Coors theme.  Permission is needed because they are using the likeness of the Coors turbine engine which is trademarked.

I asked an MTH rep at a train show about 5 years ago about a remake of the Coors Silver Bullet train, and he said it is very unlikely. When production ceased, Coors was very stern about making sure no more product was produced. I almost got the feeling that MTH didn't own the tooling in the first place but that's my speculation.

@paigetrain posted:

i really hope we can get a lionchief plus 2.0 S2 turbine actually made

i was really bummed when the s2 set from last year didn't get made

The S2 Turbine being cancelled didn't surprise me much, I'm actually a bit surprised that Lionel even bought that tooling in the first place. Why buy the miniature non-scale S2 when MTH had a much nicer near scale Imperial Railking S2 that looks much better?

The Lionel price was also off putting for me, the best pre-order price I could find was $675. I bought the MTH bantam S2 turbine set in 2001 new for $285 (MTH MSRP was $350). The MTH set also included track and transformer not included with the LC2 offering.

@H1000 posted:

Unfortunately, Lionel would still need permission from Coors to reuse the Silver Bullet train even if it is not in a Coors theme.  Permission is needed because they are using the likeness of the Coors turbine engine which is trademarked.

I asked an MTH rep at a train show about 5 years ago about a remake of the Coors Silver Bullet train, and he said it is very unlikely. When production ceased, Coors was very stern about making sure no more product was produced. I almost got the feeling that MTH didn't own the tooling in the first place but that's my speculation.

The S2 Turbine being cancelled didn't surprise me much, I'm actually a bit surprised that Lionel even bought that tooling in the first place. Why buy the miniature non-scale S2 when MTH had a much nicer near scale Imperial Railking S2 that looks much better?

The Lionel price was also off putting for me, the best pre-order price I could find was $675. I bought the MTH bantam S2 turbine set in 2001 new for $285 (MTH MSRP was $350). The MTH set also included track and transformer not included with the LC2 offering.

welp i guess that dream train has derailed

i would still like hotwheels to return tho maybe as a phantom series train i guess as a blue and orange flamed turbine bullet is illegal now

@LS1Heli posted:

I'm with ya Chief...I really wanted that one.

I too ordered one of those S2 Turbines.  When it was cancelled I searched for the Rail King and found one locally.  It was sealed in the box and never run.  I just sent it to be converted to TMCC with Turbine sounds.  I’ll end up paying about $700 all in and have a terrific locomotive

I was wondering since Lionel has an enormous relationship with Disney as far as that goes, I wonder if they can collaborate with Japanese company Square Enix if they can make any cars and merchandise themed around Kingdom Hearts since there is a 4th game now in development and that it can include the human characters from the games such as Sora, Riku, Kairi, and the Twilight Town gang since the games feature many of the maps found in many of the Disney classics. A New Jersey Transit license would be cool too.

I’m not sure if I’ve chimed in earlier in this thread but at the LCCA Convention last July, the question of their catalogs showing everything they offer is probably not going to happen. This question was asked at the banquet and I think they said you will have to go on-line for everything they offer. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, hopefully they’ll change their minds. I have original Lionel catalogs from 1947 forward, I love their catalogs, especially 1949-50+51-52+53+54-55-56-57-58…… We will know the answer to many of the questions being asked on this thread, Soon. Happy Railroading Everyone

If I'm going for a full fantasy train, I'd love a scale version of the Snowpiercer train.

To be honest, I wouldn't get nearly as excited about the catalog if it was for this thread. First somebody posts the date of release, then all these great product ideas get mentioned, then the rumors of what is coming out get posted. The anticipation is killing me!

I hate to be unexciting but I would love to see some 1920s-1940s era tank cars. I would really love to see the era marked next to the product in the catalog to make it easier for new guys to get the right stuff without having to do so much research.

@paigetrain posted:

i would still like hotwheels to return tho maybe as a phantom series train i guess as a blue and orange flamed turbine bullet is illegal now

I forgot all about these. I remember how bad I wanted them when they came out but I was entirely too young to afford them. I wonder if Lionel still has the tooling!

@BillYo414 posted:

To be honest, I wouldn't get nearly as excited about the catalog if it was for this thread. First somebody posts the date of release, then all these great product ideas get mentioned, then the rumors of what is coming out get posted. The anticipation is killing me!

I hate to be unexciting but I would love to see some 1920s-1940s era tank cars. I would really love to see the era marked next to the product in the catalog to make it easier for new guys to get the right stuff without having to do so much research.

I forgot all about these. I remember how bad I wanted them when they came out but I was entirely too young to afford them. I wonder if Lionel still has the tooling!

i get you Bill the anticipation is killing me too

ME NEED TRAIN

but 5 and half more days to go and the worst part is i have class all day thursday before i can even peak at ANYTHING meaning i probably won't see that catalog until 3pm at the earliest

the suspense is killer its like a kid at christmas all over again

@seank941 posted:

If I'm going for a full fantasy train, I'd love a scale version of the Snowpiercer train.

Now THAT would be "COOL"!!

Great TV series ... now cancelled due to some corporate maneuvering. 

@rthomps posted:

Now THAT would be "COOL"!!

Great TV series ... now cancelled due to some corporate maneuvering. 

guys i just learned that the snowpiercer couldve almost happened if Germany had won ww2

look up breitspurbahn

i deeply dislike the violence of snowpiercer but a snowpiercer train set would be cool

More WHITE fastrack would be nice.

WHITE 30" straight, 031 curve, 031 switches,  036 switches.

The 031 for small Christmas layouts

Add-on pack of baggage/diner/vista dome for the classic lionel lines green/yellow/grey 2400 passenger cars that they released a few years ago.

Oh one more thing would be a girder bridge with fastrack built-in having lionel written on the sides.  I miss that.

From existing tooling- How about Conrail SD40-2Rs which were SD40 rebuilds 6960-6999.  
Buffalo and Pittsburgh SD40-3s or SD60Ms would also be cool.
New freight car tooling- 34,000 gal LPG tank cars?  

Just dropped this video about my wishlist for the catalog

enjoy

https://youtu.be/2TrnXa1WOBE

An NYC/P&LE Berkshire— looks like a mini Niagara — MTH made them awhile ago so I assume Lionel has the tooling

@20centuryhudson posted:

An NYC/P&LE Berkshire— looks like a mini Niagara — MTH made them awhile ago so I assume Lionel has the tooling

Do you mean the A2 Berkshire?

My wish list is getting smaller as I purchase older systems, mainly 3rd Rail, and upgrade them.  As mentioned, multiple times, the chance of seeing new tooling is probably non-existent to nil.  So, looking at Lionel's current stock plus their recently acquired MTH molds, what would I actually buy if re-issued.   Using their various current boxcar molds, I would like them to continue to add more Friendship Train cars.  With descent trucks. That's it.

ADDED: Rereading this, how about new trucks that actually work well to replace those terrible "Mike R" trucks they produced a couple years ago.  Maybe even provide as a no-cost replacement for those that bought cars with those worthless trucks.

Yes

@20centuryhudson posted:

Yes

That would be a great one for them to do if they got the tooling or made tooling. One of those rare gems out in the O Scale market. I got one of the MTH ones by winning the auction on eBay. I got real lucky. Waiting on the list to upgrade it.

Shouldn’t there be some leaks by now?

@Rider Sandman posted:

Shouldn’t there be some leaks by now?

Well, certainly not on here. I think the last catalog had a leak that had been posted somewhere on the forum and the moderators deleted like they should. I do remember a couple of years ago there was catalogs showing up on eBay before the date, I think that was either when the VL Challenger's were re-released or somewhere around that catalog.

@Anthony K posted:

From existing tooling- How about Conrail SD40-2Rs which were SD40 rebuilds 6960-6999.  
Buffalo and Pittsburgh SD40-3s or SD60Ms would also be cool.
New freight car tooling- 34,000 gal LPG tank cars?  

If Lionel comes out with new freight car tooling for the 34,000 gal LPG tank car, Lionel needs to add the brake lines and air reservoir to the underside. They missed those details on the 30k gallon ethanol and tank train tank cars.

@ArtsModelTrains posted:

Totally agree!  Not sure the still do lionmaster but do the same thing under the lionchief plus 2.0 brand.

I don’t think they did any Lionmaster in 2022. But they’ve done a few in the last few years. Maybe we will see one this year. Would probably have to be old tooling tho. So a Lionmaster reissue with LC2.0 they first produced in the early 2000s perhaps. They did the SD80MAC again a few years ago with LC2.0. It’s certainly close to Legacy and runs well on the smaller curves.

@GregK posted:

I don’t think they did any Lionmaster in 2022. But they’ve done a few in the last few years. Maybe we will see one this year. Would probably have to be old tooling tho. So a Lionmaster reissue with LC2.0 they first produced in the early 2000s perhaps. They did the SD80MAC again a few years ago with LC2.0. It’s certainly close to Legacy and runs well on the smaller curves.

We can only hope!

@GregK posted:

I don’t think they did any Lionmaster in 2022. But they’ve done a few in the last few years. Maybe we will see one this year. Would probably have to be old tooling tho. So a Lionmaster reissue with LC2.0 they first produced in the early 2000s perhaps. They did the SD80MAC again a few years ago with LC2.0. It’s certainly close to Legacy and runs well on the smaller curves.

Time for a csx bright future and Christmas sd80mac at around 400 preordered. That would be the perfect lionmaster 2.0 release.

@Csxcellent posted:

Time for a csx bright future and Christmas sd80mac at around 400 preordered. That would be the perfect lionmaster 2.0 release.

That would be nice, but more likely to be $550-600 less the preorder discount. 😊

3 more days until we find out if our dreams came true

Still begging for scale Tier IV GEVOs or modern 64' reefers. I also hope Lionel got MTH tooling for the Yellowstone and Turbotrain.

@GregK posted:

That would be nice, but more likely to be $550-600 less the preorder discount. 😊

If it is lionmaster and old tooling I’d hope they would have an msrp of $500 or less. However, the prices keep skyrocketing

Still beating the drum for a return of the LionMaster Hudson, preferably with Legacy but LionChief internals if nothing else. Also the drum continues to beat for a traditional J with Legacy/LionChief.

@breezinup posted:

Still beating the drum for a return of the LionMaster Hudson, preferably with Legacy but LionChief internals if nothing else. Also the drum continues to beat for a traditional J with Legacy/LionChief.

Yep that would be a really great candidate and the best use of LionMaster I can think of right now. They would probably use the LC2.0 internals, which are at least based on Legacy sounds and carry many of the premium features. It would be pricey for sure tho - but probably halfway between the LC2.0 Hudson they did last year, and a scale model. Would people pay $999 for it? But the fact they just reissued the LionChief Hudson (albeit LC2.0 this time) makes me think they wouldn't turn around another Hudson for at least a few years...

@Csxcellent posted:

If it is lionmaster and old tooling I’d hope they would have an msrp of $500 or less. However, the prices keep skyrocketing

I'm just basing it on the current pricing. The "normal" LC2.0 stuff, which are generally just "regular" traditional sized models, are going for $550-650 MSRP right now. I would imagine any Lionmaster diesel would probably be in that range.

I almost talked myself into that 2.0 Hudson from the last catalog just to try out all the features. I just couldn't get past that price tag for such an old casting. If they did an updated casting, I might be interested.

@GregK posted:

I'm just basing it on the current pricing. The "normal" LC2.0 stuff, which are generally just "regular" traditional sized models, are going for $550-650 MSRP right now. I would imagine any Lionmaster diesel would probably be in that range.

Unfortunately, you are probably right.

@GregK posted:

I'm just basing it on the current pricing. The "normal" LC2.0 stuff, which are generally just "regular" traditional sized models, are going for $550-650 MSRP right now. I would imagine any Lionmaster diesel would probably be in that range.

Hi Greg,

I think lionel reproduced their one and only lionmaster diesels (SD90MAC and SD80MAC) back in 2019 Volume 2 (for $450).

I'm not sure they would reproduce their only lionmaster diesels so soon, but for pricing, I think would be closer to 500 (because the latest fullscale SD90MACs in 2022 were 650 with legacy) and there would have to be some difference in price between the two systems.

Thanks,
Adam

@breezinup posted:

Still beating the drum for a return of the LionMaster Hudson, preferably with Legacy but LionChief internals if nothing else. Also the drum continues to beat for a traditional J with Legacy/LionChief.

I'm wishing for a reissue of either the LionMaster N&W Class A or LionMaster Big Boy steamers (or both). My layout has a mix of 072 and 054 curve (non less than 054) so I can't run Visionline Steamers. Fingers and toes are crossed !

@GregK posted:

Yep that would be a really great candidate and the best use of LionMaster I can think of right now. They would probably use the LC2.0 internals, which are at least based on Legacy sounds and carry many of the premium features. It would be pricey for sure tho - but probably halfway between the LC2.0 Hudson they did last year, and a scale model. Would people pay $999 for it? But the fact they just reissued the LionChief Hudson (albeit LC2.0 this time) makes me think they wouldn't turn around another Hudson for at least a few years...

The LionChief Hudson is smaller and without the detail of the LionMaster version, so that isn't a substitute. Your LionMaster pricing thoughts are correct, though, it seems, based on a comment by (I think it was) Mike Reagan a number of years ago. He said that the LionMaster engines cost almost as much to produce as the full scale versions, so Lionel was left in a pricing quandary. Just because an engine is  a little smaller, since it has the same electronics and essentially same production costs as the physically larger ones, smaller doesn't equate to cheaper to make, or at least not that much.

That said, MTH seemed to figure out marketing of their successful RailKing Imperial line.

@miller3 posted:

Hi Greg,

I think lionel reproduced their one and only lionmaster diesels (SD90MAC and SD80MAC) back in 2019 Volume 2 (for $450).

I'm not sure they would reproduce their only lionmaster diesels so soon, but for pricing, I think would be closer to 500 (because the latest fullscale SD90MACs in 2022 were 650 with legacy) and there would have to be some difference in price between the two systems.

Thanks,
Adam

i'm actually more confident that we will see a LC2.0 GP38/GP39 hopefully a BNSF H1 scheme with ditchlights and an RS5T horn or Rio grande

did DRGW roster 38's or 39s?

@paigetrain posted:

i'm actually more confident that we will see a LC2.0 GP38/GP39 hopefully a BNSF H1 scheme with ditchlights and an RS5T horn or Rio grande

did DRGW roster 38's or 39s?

So kind of like a lionchief plus gp38 shell with a frame that has more realistic handrails and safety tread (to make it more of a lionmaster grade model)?

@paigetrain posted:

did DRGW roster 38's or 39s?

No.

@GregK posted:

That would be nice, but more likely to be $550-600 less the preorder discount. 😊

And that right there is why LC 2.0 doesn't interest me.  I'm not interested in paying Legacy prices for a traditional sized piece with inferior electronics, details, and features.  350 would be a good price on most LC 2.0 items.  Lionmaster steamers such as the Big Boy would be tempting at around 700.   MTH always got the railking pricing right... and with full dcs package and sounds....and without those silly stamped handrails and cheesy details that lionel still uses on their "traditional" models.  There is absolutely a market for LC 2.0, but not at the prices they want.

Couldn't agree with you more Brian. The last run of MTH Imperial big boys (2022) were $350 less than the LC2 ones from Lionel (2022). The first Lionmaster Big Boys blow the current LC2 ones out of the water with whistle steam and full Legacy electronics, they were worth their price (2010 MSRP of $900).

When LC2 locomotives cost just as much or more than a Premier MTH model or you're only 50 to 100 bucks from the Legacy equivalent, I'm out.

I hope Lionel does more Lionmaster (and that they sell well) but I really hope that Lionel reverts to putting full Legacy in Lionmaster, including whistle steam.  (Cylinder or blowdown effects would be particularly amazing.)  Whistle steam obviously fits in there because it's been done before - don't release downgraded models!

Not to derail the topic but I think the pricing on the LC2.0 stuff is a little high. I have a mild interest in trying something out but not with what they have been offering. I've seen you can get the Century Club Hudsons for about what they want on those LC2.0 Hudsons. Not quite apples to apples but Lionel needs to understand that older equipment at reasonable prices also drive sales.

The imperial rail king line was great. The sd70 and es44’s which are still offered, are way more than they used to be, but still cheaper than lionmaster. We need a middle tier of products that are really nice but semi scale and prices accordingly!

@RamblerDon posted:

Not to derail the topic but I think the pricing on the LC2.0 stuff is a little high. I have a mild interest in trying something out but not with what they have been offering. I've seen you can get the Century Club Hudsons for about what they want on those LC2.0 Hudsons. Not quite apples to apples but Lionel needs to understand that older equipment at reasonable prices also drive sales.

tell me about it I've been trying to make lionchief 2.0 my main source of motive power since it rolled out in 2019 but have been unable to score any of the releases due to cost even though my railroads are mostly diesel powered and diesels tend to be cheaper than steam although i really want a turbine and j class

even starter sets are pushing past 500 bucks these days

i'm very excited for this catalog but i may be in for severe sticker shock and thats saying something because i only collect traditional o gauge and traditional is SUPPOSED to be CHEAPER than full o scale

Not to derail things again but I'd like to add that for the most part I find the pricing from Lionel to be reasonable. But certain items like the LC stuff which they push as entry level or slightly above, really needs to be at a better price point to get the sales they want. Of course I don't know what kind of sales they get so maybe I am in the wrong. But that is my 2 cents worth.

There’s a Dreyfus Hudson and big boy on the cover

@20centuryhudson posted:

There’s a Dreyfus Hudson and big boy on the cover

HOW DO YOU KNOW AND I NEED PROOF

@20centuryhudson posted:

There’s a Dreyfus Hudson and big boy on the cover

WAAAAYYYY overdue! Glad to see a release of a Legacy Dreyfus! Hopeful for some steam effects.

Chris AKA RBP is going to lose it

bro i would love to see his reaction be so happy

@vash44 posted:

YES!!!!!!

Wonder what passenger cars they will have to go with it

@vash44 posted:

Hmm, I wonder if that Dreyfuss is the wind up version or a wood block one?

I don’t need any more trains Is that a Dreyfuss Hudson  on the cover???

I don’t need any more trains Probably will come with a nice suite of 21” passenger cars!!!

I don’t need any more trains And 21” cars are really too long for my curves.

I don’t need any more trains But the voices… the voices…

I don’t need any more trains Said no one EVER

Someone hide my wallet

Yeah Paul, I thought when the news of a VL Big Boy came out, it will be easy on the wallet. I had said in the past, I would order every Dreyfuss they released. Well, now, I don't think so, at least 2 though.

Mr. Muffin sent around the cover photo.  It's real.  They said they will have the catalog up at 10 AM on Thursday Jan. 12th on their website.

@Apples55 posted:

I don’t need any more trains Is that a Dreyfuss Hudson  on the cover???

I don’t need any more trains Probably will come with a nice suite of 21” passenger cars!!!

I don’t need any more trains And 21” cars are really too long for my curves.

I don’t need any more trains But the voices… the voices…

I don’t need any more trains Said no one EVER

Someone hide my wallet

Funniest thing I've read in quite a while ! Thanks Paul!

@Landsteiner posted:

Mr. Muffin send around the cover photo.  It's real.  They said they will have the catalog up at 10 AM on Thursday Jan. 12th on their website.

I don’t need your stinkin dreyfuss!!! I don’t need your big boy!!! I don’t need the rest of the things that I already know are in the catalog!!!! Aaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!

seriously, it’s a great catalog.

lol, one clue……. Hippo.

With 2023 being the 100th anniversary of Disney Studios, have a feeling were bound to see Disney pieces, maybe even an unexpected one.

Scullin disc or boxpok? Centipede or regular tender— stripe with or without electric blue — inquiring minds want to know— probably 4 or 5 versions

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

I don’t need your stinkin dreyfuss!!! I don’t need your big boy!!! I don’t need the rest of the things that I already know are in the catalog!!!! Aaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!

seriously, it’s a great catalog.

lol, one clue……. Hippo.

hippo?

what the freight train could that possibly mean?

Dr. Google comes up with this for Hippo and locomotive:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ia_Railroad_I1_class

@paigetrain posted:

hippo?

what the freight train could that possibly mean?

PRR 2-10-0 I1sa

@Landsteiner posted:

Dr. Google comes up with this for Hippo and locomotive:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ia_Railroad_I1_class

i don't buy legacy

but between rumours of that and the dryfus i will not be able to focus on school at all on thursday just dreaming of the catalog

next someone will say more graffiti in the traditional o gauge section and i definately will not be able to focus

@Landsteiner posted:

Dr. Google comes up with this for Hippo and locomotive:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ia_Railroad_I1_class

And you’ll need to get two of them as the PRR often doubleheaded the I1’s!!

MTH tooling for the decapod?

Wonder if they did Western Maryland decapod? I’m curious what sets are in the catalog?

Terrance

i thought lionel wasn't allowed to make a dreyfus because of MTH

I wonder if it’s a remake of the brass Smithsonian Dreyfus Hudson or the one they did maybe ten years ago

🎶 “no crocodiles or rhinocerosususes I only like Iron Hippopotamususususususes” 🎶

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

🎶 “no crocodiles or rhinocerosususes I only like Iron Hippopotamususususususes” 🎶

hey dj answer this for me

will the whole catalog be printed in a physical book?

@20centuryhudson posted:

I wonder if it’s a remake of the brass Smithsonian Dreyfus Hudson or the one they did maybe ten years ago

There was no Dreyfuss tooling as the prior TMCC one was the MTH tooling(see the lawsuit). I guess we'll have to wait and see exactly what this so called wooden block claiming to be a Dreyfuss really is.

@Apples55 posted:

I don’t need any more trains Is that a Dreyfuss Hudson  on the cover???

I don’t need any more trains Probably will come with a nice suite of 21” passenger cars!!!

I don’t need any more trains And 21” cars are really too long for my curves.

I don’t need any more trains But the voices… the voices…

I don’t need any more trains Said no one EVER

Someone hide my wallet

Solid post.

@Apples55 posted:

I don’t need any more trains Is that a Dreyfuss Hudson  on the cover???

I don’t need any more trains Probably will come with a nice suite of 21” passenger cars!!!

I don’t need any more trains And 21” cars are really too long for my curves.

I don’t need any more trains But the voices… the voices…

I don’t need any more trains Said no one EVER

Someone hide my wallet

this will be me if there is any pennsy or norfolk and western or BNSF or lionelville and western or graffiti stuff in the traditional section

while i rock in a padded room

@paigetrain posted:

this will be me if there is any pennsy or norfolk and western or BNSF or lionelville and western or graffiti stuff in the traditional section

while i rock in a padded room

Don’t fight it, Cody… listen to the voices

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Hmm, I wonder if that Dreyfuss is the wind up version or a wood block one?

It’s a hallmark Christmas tree ornament

@paigetrain posted:

hey dj answer this for me

will the whole catalog be printed in a physical book?

Yes

@Apples55 posted:

Don’t fight it, Cody… listen to the voices

my wallet can't listen

i'm a college student who's about to graduate with 20 grand in student debt

LionScale O scale Canadian National CNIS 412000 SAFETY INSPECTION plug-door 50' box car

Andrew

Speaking of the new 2023 Lionel Catalog, has anyone heard anything about a Lionel zoom meeting for dealers to reiew the new catalog offerings? Any news is good news.......

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

There was no Dreyfuss tooling as the prior TMCC one was the MTH tooling(see the lawsuit). I guess we'll have to wait and see exactly what this so called wooden block claiming to be a Dreyfuss really is.

I would assume we will be looking at a brass hybrid new tooling loco around the 1700 price point.

I’ve been wondering, how many members are on this forum?  Am I  the only one sick of the replies to this wish list?

@ironman1, I really like seeing what other OGR Forum members wish for as everyone has different interest in this very diverse hobby. I wished for a Legacy 0-4-0 Steam Switcher and sure enough, it’s on order, who knows when it might show up. Many folks have been wanting a Legacy Dreyfus Hudson, it just might happen. I’m not into LionChief, but I like the nice Legacy offerings, and this particular thread tells Lionel what they would like see made, and it’s such a cool thread. The new catalog appears on the 12th….Happy Railroading Everyone

@ironman1 posted:

I’ve been wondering, how many members are on this forum?  Am I  the only one sick of the replies to this wish list?

Nobody is making you read it. Just skip over it and look at the next post.

@Timmy Tarsh posted:

I would assume we will be looking at a brass hybrid new tooling loco around the 1700 price point.

I hope its diecast so its heavy enough to pull a long train. They could do 3 production runs with the tooling in the next 10 yrs. Maybe that would make it worth the tooling.

Hopefully there are some new PS-1,PS-5,,PS-4, and TOFC PUP trailer offerings.  I  also like postwar remakes but pretty sure sure we won’t see anything like that for long time.

Fingers crossed for anything Western Maryland!

Terrance

@Timmy Tarsh posted:

I would assume we will be looking at a brass hybrid new tooling loco around the 1700 price point.

IDK, it is possible that they did manage to buy/get a whole new tooling. Either way, yes it will be expensive and probably right in that ballpark. Sets will definitely be in line of Big Boy pricing, meaning Big Boy equals Dreyfuss set or Dreyfuss over Big Boy price.

Will there be any WM steam that is MTH tooling?

Will there also be Santa Fe 2900 class?

Terrance

@Traindiesel posted:

And you’ll need to get two of them as the PRR often doubleheaded the I1’s!!

Only if its the Short tender Version. IDT the Long Tender Version was double headed much or it was uncommon.

Dave Olson mentioned that Lionel did buy the MTH Russian Decapod tooling which I always thought was a sharp looking engine. Maybe we'll see that too? I'd also love to see the MTH Premier center beams as those have been price gouged like crazy on the second hand market.

Polar Express Big Boy?

@Terrance posted:

Polar Express Big Boy?

Blasphemy!

@Terrance posted:

Polar Express Big Boy?

I laughed at this... but I would buy one.

@Terrance posted:

Polar Express Big Boy?

I’ve been holding out for one to double head with the Elf Train. The size contrast would be a real crowd pleaser.

We are all laughing until the PE Big Boy is revealed and becomes a run-away hit.

Considering the typical fantasy schemes... If Lionel doesn't do it... a retailer may do a custom run after seeing all this talk about it...

@RamblerDon posted:

We are all laughing until the PE Big Boy is revealed and becomes a run-away hit.

Considering the typical fantasy schemes... If Lionel doesn't do it... a retailer may do a custom run after seeing all this talk about it...

You guys need to stop this crazy talk.  LOL!

I'd also really like some Montana Rail Link scale items.

@RamblerDon posted:

We are all laughing until the PE Big Boy is revealed and becomes a run-away hit.

Considering the typical fantasy schemes... If Lionel doesn't do it... a retailer may do a custom run after seeing all this talk about it...

This would 100% be my luck. I’ve clamored for a scale PolEx freight steamer in every catalog wish list thread for the past several years. It would be fitting if they finally offer it in a model that’s too big for my layout…..

As an aside, I’ve asked multiple times about a custom run and the answer seems to always come back that PolEx stuff is different from a licensing standpoint and, as a result, a non-starter as a custom run.

@Rider Sandman good point on the license issues. Didn't give that much thought.

a polar express big boy would be hilarious

I’m hoping this WM steam is a train set.