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Pretty much sums it up in the title. I was given a half-baked standard gauge 402 locomotive restoration. It's sat in my basement for years and I'd like to finish it. It has the body, most of the detail parts still attached, stripped of paint. It has the frame. I has no motors/wheels or reversing switch. 

What motor type would be correct for it? What would fit?

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Looked the Lionel standard gauge up on eBay and looked at several.
Photos shown this loco has two motors and they are the earlier supper motor types with the large gear (later versions had the smaller wheel gear and had a larger distance between the two axles).
I also read recently on the forum the the earlier and later supper motors mounting holes had different locations. The post also stated that the large gear did not do well going through switches.
I do not have the 402 but do have the 8 loco with single motor in both the earlier and later super motor types.
I m sure that some one will correct the info I gave if it is incorrect.
Have fun and your hunt is just starting

RonH posted:

Looked the Lionel standard gauge up on eBay and looked at several.
Photos shown this loco has two motors and they are the earlier supper motor types with the large gear (later versions had the smaller wheel gear and had a larger distance between the two axles).
I also read recently on the forum the the earlier and later supper motors mounting holes had different locations. The post also stated that the large gear did not do well going through switches.
I do not have the 402 but do have the 8 loco with single motor in both the earlier and later super motor types.
I m sure that some one will correct the info I gave if it is incorrect.
Have fun and your hunt is just starting

Did some more reserch and the 402e did have use the earlier and later version super motors.

Frisco Chris 1522 posted:

Pretty much sums it up in the title. I was given a half-baked standard gauge 402 locomotive restoration. It's sat in my basement for years and I'd like to finish it. It has the body, most of the detail parts still attached, stripped of paint. It has the frame. I has no motors/wheels or reversing switch. 

What motor type would be correct for it? What would fit?

Chris, the 402 takes a special version of the super motor.  Never mind the mounting holes, you won't be using them.  In the 402, the motors have a special "hanging bracket" in the center top of the motor frame; the motor hangs from that so it can pivot, the motor is not mounted rigidly in the locomotive frame like other locos.  

These are not great photos, but the best I could come up with:  here are 2 views of the super motor with the center top hanger bracket for the 402:

hanger bracket 1hanger bracket 2

 

For comparison, here is the more common super motor without the hanger bracket, you can see the small slots in the top of the motor frame which the hanger bracket uses when it is present:

no hanger bracket

 

Theoretically you could get any super motor and then hope to find hanger brackets for them, but that's not likely, you don't find them separately. Also i don't know of anyone who made reproductions of the hanger bracket part: so you really need to find a pair of this version of the super motor that was made for the 402.

david

 

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Frisco Chris 1522 posted:

Pretty much sums it up in the title. I was given a half-baked standard gauge 402 locomotive restoration. It's sat in my basement for years and I'd like to finish it. It has the body, most of the detail parts still attached, stripped of paint. It has the frame. I has no motors/wheels or reversing switch. 

What motor type would be correct for it? What would fit?

You need two Super Motors with correct hanging brackets. This is a 408 but its the same difference. If you want auto reverse you can add a modern Ives style reverse unit or hunt for an original pendulum style.

Tin

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Brackets are available for sale. Most of the super motors have the slots already (early ones wont). Easy to do even if wheels are on, easiest if wheels are off as the bracket is put in place as motor sides are assembled. Reverse is tougher as there was a slider bar that simultaneously moved two of the wafer reverse switches. You can get by with one if you double wire. If E type, just one super motor e-unit but is a special onethat reverses headlight based on direction of travel

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