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Is it too soon to ask who plans on going to the York Train Show in October?

If not, please let your Forum friends know if you are going by telling us that here.

I have only gone to York once, with my wife and young children back in 1995, and we had a great time, including visiting the Choo Choo Barn, PRR Museum, TCA, a ride on the steam train through Amish country (will never forget the smiles of the beautiful young Amish girls), as well as the Show.

It will be so nice, God willing, to meet many of you folks in person. Arnold

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God willing I will be there. I haven’t been to York since 2019 and to me it seems like forever. I can’t imagine not going for 26 years! It means you have never been to the Orange Hall or saw that the Black Hall usually has a modular layout. You saw the Yellow Hall (I assume that was in use in 1995) but that is always locked up now. And you never attended any of the OGR Forum meetings which started up when I first started to go which was in 2001. A lot of changes but I am sure you enjoy the meet. It still has that certain charm that no other meet has. While I am looking forward to York I want time to go slow so I can enjoy the summer.

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Phil, what you mentioned, about attending OGR Forum meetings at York, is what I was hoping for, and would be the main reason for me to go. As nice as all the trains are (and I love them all), it's the people that interest me the most. It seems to me that York is the best place to meet the maximum number of Forum members at one time.

As soon as it is determined when and where Forum members are meeting at York, for breakfast, lunch, dinner or whatever, please share that info on the Forum so we all can plan our visit accordingly. Arnold

Arnold, the OGR Forum Meeting at the Fairgrounds is usually held at 2pm on Friday afternoon. It originally was held in the grandstand but in later years they have moved it to other places usually due to the weather. When they had the very first meeting I believe the purpose of the meeting was for OGR Forum members from all over the country to get to meet each other and put a face and personality to the comments on the screen but soon it seemed to me to turn into a sort of commercial. They usually have representatives from all the major train companies who would explain about and or display new products and it is hard to talk to other guys while this is going on unless you are sitting right next to someone. I don’t mean to knock it as it was usually interesting and you could ask questions but the way information travels these days I felt I was going to find out anyway and you could go to the booth to ask your question there. After going for many years I started to get the feeling it wasn’t worth it for me so I stopped going because I usually have only day at York and I wanted to spend as much time checking out all the halls. I think you would be better off to go to the other places forum members meet at which I believe is the Round the Clock Diner and at Quaker Steak. I know Peter (Putnam Div) has mentioned the Round the Clock Diner and I don’t know anything specific about the other place. I believe Peter said it would be Thursday morning. I am sure Peter and others will post information about these meetings as it gets closer to York. I usually can’t make these meetings due to only being there one day but I might be able to this year. Maybe. I hope I run into you there. Good luck.

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@Lionelski posted:

Me, me, me!

Leaving Tuesday AM, back Saturday PM

In the last 25 years I attended 45 Yorks, only missing 5 in all of those years. One due to the passing of my Father-in-law, another due to a poorly timed European Cruise, and 3 due to Covid.

My train bank overfloweth!

Sorry, John, but you can’t miss what never happened... you’ve only missed 2 in 25 years - an admirable record 😁😁😁

Phil, what you mentioned, about attending OGR Forum meetings at York, is what I was hoping for, and would be the main reason for me to go. As nice as all the trains are (and I love them all), it's the people that interest me the most. It seems to me that York is the best place to meet the maximum number of Forum members at one time.

As soon as it is determined when and where Forum members are meeting at York, for breakfast, lunch, dinner or whatever, please share that info on the Forum so we all can plan our visit accordingly. Arnold

Arnold........some where around 4-5 weeks before York, I will put up a new thread for the Thursday, pre-York breakfast at the Round-the-Clock Diner (Route 30, just west of I-83). We usually arrive around 7-7:30 and Then leave to congregate in the Orange Hall lobby. The Diner is always gracious to have a large area on the west wall empty for us......I usually call to confirm after Labor Day.

Thursday night is the OGR Forum get-together at Quaker Steak.

Friday AM breakfast is usually open

Friday afternoon is the OGR Forum meeting in the Gold Hall Conference Room

Friday evening, a group of us usually have dinner together......last time it was Olive Garden and we had about 15 people.......I’ll likely get a reservation for a group as that time gets closer.....

Stay tuned.....the Eastern Division is planning events for earlier in the week and there may be more opportunities to get together.

Looking forward to actually meeting you in person.....

Peter

Is it too soon to ask who plans on going to the York Train Show in October?

If not, please let your Forum friends know if you are going by telling us that here.

I have only gone to York once, with my wife and young children back in 1995, and we had a great time, including visiting the Choo Choo Barn, PRR Museum, TCA, a ride on the steam train through Amish country (will never forget the smiles of the beautiful young Amish girls), as well as the Show.

It will be so nice, God willing, to meet many of you folks in person. Arnold

This clearly did not belong in the 3-rail traditional forum since it specifically is discussing the fall York meet.  I has been moved to the appropriate forum.

I met with Dan Danielson this morning and he confirmed the following for the October York Show:

- Registration will open online on or before July 17th. An announcement will be made through the TCA email list prior.

- They expect the tables to sell out. Aisles will be wider for adequate social distancing, causing the removal of around 170 tables.

- Member tables will be in the Black and Yellow Halls.

- Monday activity - Movie Night in the Blue Hall. Under Siege 2, Steven Seagal is the cook on a train in this one?

- Tuesday Night Reception 5:30p-7p. Hall TBD, finger food, etc.

- No activities on Wednesday.

- Show opens Noon on Thursday.

All information should be considered as subject to adjustment. Hope this helps your planning.

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@John E K posted:

I met with Dan Danielson this morning and he confirmed the following for the October York Show:

- Registration will open online on or before July 17th. An announcement will be made through the TCA email list prior.

- They expect the tables to sell out. Aisles will be wider for adequate social distancing, causing the removal of around 170 tables.

- Member tables will be in the Black and Yellow Halls.

- Monday activity - Movie Night in the Blue Hall. Under Siege 2, Steven Seagal is the cook on a train in this one?

- Tuesday Night Reception 5:30p-7p. Hall TBD, finger food, etc.

- No activities on Wednesday.

- Show opens Noon on Thursday.

All information should be considered as subject to adjustment. Hope this helps your planning.

Thanks for posting. I don't know what I was hoping for earlier in the week, but a Monday night movie and a Tuesday night reception doesn't really motivate me to come out early. Particularly with an empty day after the events and before the show opening.

Memories of great bandit shows swirl in my head, but that's delusional and sort of like being able to get a new 65 Mustang for $1,995. It's not gonna happen.

Gerry

@Mark Boyce posted:

I stayed at a cheap place with some Pittsburgh guys up the highway towards Harrisburg the two times I went to York.

I don’t want to drive very far to and from the hotel since I’ll still be recovering from back surgery.  I realize I’ll pay more than before.  What recommendations does anyone have?

Mark, two places we have stayed are the Sheraton Four Points (right behind Round the Clock Diner) and the Homewood Suites by Hilton on I-83. Both are very nice and only ten minutes from the Fairgrounds.

I’ve missed 4 York’s since 1992, 1 for illness and 3 was from it being cancelled. Hope October 2021 gets the ball rolling back for great future York meets.
Looking forward for October 2021 to see friends from around the country and maybe buy some trains.

Ted,

You probably don't remember it, but I met you on my first day on my first trip to York in 2014.  It was outside near where the Safety and Brown Hall.  I recall you wearing a Jets shirt, and you telling me "If you see something you want for a good price, buy it.  It won't be there when you get back."   - You was right!!!

I believe you was still working then.  I was with Chris Bojanower & MartyE. 

This will be trip 5 now - long trek from Utah.

Jim

Out of curiosity, how do most of y'all bring back what you have just bought from the show? (i.e. carry on luggage, or shipping through someone.) Also, do some of the major venders offer shipping options?

As I recall (although I have never used it), I believe they set up a UPS shipping location on site for this event, if you prefer to go that route.

Out of curiosity, how do most of y'all bring back what you have just bought from the show? (i.e. carry on luggage, or shipping through someone.) Also, do some of the major venders offer shipping options?

So with regard to the "shipping option", I have been told in the orange hall, "I dont have it here but I can ship it from the store". I think I said I would see if I can find it on site and I must have ultimately done that.  I doubt that anyone is going to want to sell something at the show then haul it home to ship to you. If its in the hall and you buy it, you're carrying it with you.

With regard to the UPS on site, I've never used it, but I would have to imagine thats the absolute most expensive way you can possibly get stuff home. Its a UPS store, so whatever UPS says it costs, double it at the minimum + marked up prices for the box and packing matter. I would suggest you accumulate whatever you buy, then go to the Lowe's on Carlisle road and buy yourself a moving box and some bubble wrap. Self box and pack whatever you've got and find the post office, a fedex office, or a UPS Customer Center and ship it to yourself. Depending on how far you have to go and what you buy, bringing a large hard sided suitcase and the $50 checked bag fee may be more economical.

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My April 2020 badge has been burning a hole in my badge holder for over 19 months now, so I will be there, hopefully in my usual spot in Blue Hall.  My travel plans are not yet finalized, but my typical York trip means leaving on a Tuesday night, spending the night in Gettysburg (cheaper hotel), hitting the bandit meets first thing Wednesday morning with some of my fellow Pgh. Ind. Hi-Railers, and in the afternoon visiting hobby shops and other train-related points of interest within a few hours drive of York (there is really a lot to see and do in the area, under normal circumstances).  This trip will be interesting to see if some of the small restaurants and businesses we frequent have survived the last year.

Andy

@Mark Boyce posted:

I stayed at a cheap place with some Pittsburgh guys up the highway towards Harrisburg the two times I went to York.

I don’t want to drive very far to and from the hotel since I’ll still be recovering from back surgery.  I realize I’ll pay more than before.  What recommendations does anyone have?

Mark - I stay at the La Quinta which is in the same parking lot as Quaker Steak and Lube where we gather on Thursday night.  It's a 10 minute drive from the fairgrounds and is a newer hotel (~10 yrs old).   It may fit your needs.

-Greg

@Greg Houser posted:

Mark - I stay at the La Quinta which is in the same parking lot as Quaker Steak and Lube where we gather on Thursday night.  It's a 10 minute drive from the fairgrounds and is a newer hotel (~10 yrs old).   It may fit your needs.

-Greg

Greg, thank you.  I’ll check out that one too!  Based on the surgeon’s expectation, a day at York should be doable in October, but I don’t want to add a car ride to the burden after a long day.  It was okay before my surgeries, but …well it takes a long time to recover nowadays.  I guess the company did the best thing pushing me out on retirement when I was 63.

@Mark Boyce posted:

I stayed at a cheap place with some Pittsburgh guys up the highway towards Harrisburg the two times I went to York.

I don’t want to drive very far to and from the hotel since I’ll still be recovering from back surgery.  I realize I’ll pay more than before.  What recommendations does anyone have?

The Wyndham Garden is the location of the largest bandit meet, it has a great breakfast included in the price of the room (pre-Covid, don't know what it will be in October), and there is a decent bar/restaurant on site.  In the past, it's been worth the extra $20 per night for the location and amenities. However, this time around the price is a lot higher than other nearby places.

My reservation for October is at LaQuinta - near the fairgrounds, less expensive, and I've had good experiences with LQ before.

Avoid the Super 8 on US 30 and the Rodeway Inn near downtown - sketchy areas.

I recommend joining a loyalty program for whatever chain you prefer - you'll get a good rate and earn points. Don't use a third-party website - if there's a problem, you have an additional layer of bureaucracy to deal with.  Use AAA, AARP, or senior discount (I've found the AARP discount to usually be the best. And be sure to get a fully cancellable reservation, because you never know what might come up.

@Mark Boyce posted:

Greg, thank you.  I’ll check out that one too!  Based on the surgeon’s expectation, a day at York should be doable in October, but I don’t want to add a car ride to the burden after a long day.  It was okay before my surgeries, but …well it takes a long time to recover nowadays.  I guess the company did the best thing pushing me out on retirement when I was 63.

I've had back issues in the past - got by with injections and fortunately didn't need surgery - so I can relate.  Just a fyi - the meet has a bus which goes around the meet stopping at every hall so you don't have to walk.

-Greg

@Jim Sandman posted:

Ted,

You probably don't remember it, but I met you on my first day on my first trip to York in 2014.  It was outside near where the Safety and Brown Hall.  I recall you wearing a Jets shirt, and you telling me "If you see something you want for a good price, buy it.  It won't be there when you get back."   - You was right!!!

I believe you was still working then.  I was with Chris Bojanower & MartyE.

This will be trip 5 now - long trek from Utah.

Jim

Jim,

7 years is a long time and yes, I was employed back then and retired in April 2016 doing the happy dance! Have not seen Chris there since then as well.

I always see Marty E. there as he is almost a local living near York! Glad you took my advice. Buy it when you see it!

@Greg Houser posted:

Mark - I stay at the La Quinta which is in the same parking lot as Quaker Steak and Lube where we gather on Thursday night.  It's a 10 minute drive from the fairgrounds and is a newer hotel (~10 yrs old).   It may fit your needs.

-Greg

Greg,

I stay at the same place. Real nice, clean and rates are quite good considering how close it is to the fairgrounds. And breakfast there is good!

See you in October.

@Greg Houser posted:

I've had back issues in the past - got by with injections and fortunately didn't need surgery - so I can relate.  Just a fyi - the meet has a bus which goes around the meet stopping at every hall so you don't have to walk.

-Greg

Pre-pandemic, you could reserve a scooter to get yourself around the various halls. But those western Pennsylvania drivers are a bit concerning... my ankles are scared 🤣🤣🤣

@Greg Houser posted:

Mark - I stay at the La Quinta which is in the same parking lot as Quaker Steak and Lube where we gather on Thursday night.  It's a 10 minute drive from the fairgrounds and is a newer hotel (~10 yrs old).   It may fit your needs.

-Greg

Thank you, Greg and Mark, for the above info.

I just made a reservation for my wife, Shawn, and me to stay at La Quinta Inn & Suites by Windham York. We will be checking in on Oct. 21st and staying for 2 nights.

Looking forward to meeting all my Forum friends. Arnold

Just a couple of further thoughts re accommodations...

A couple of Yorks ago, a forum member posted about having his LaQuinta reservation cancelled by the hotel at the last minute due to a "water leak".  At the time, LQ's rates were far lower than other nearby hotels - my inner cynic wonders if LQ did this in order to sell the rooms at a higher price.  As I recall from his posts, they weren't particularly helpful regarding finding other accommodations. I'm hoping this won't happen again in October.

If you use a loyalty program but haven't traveled recently, be sure to stay on top of it. This morning, I checked my loyalty program. Turns out that my points balance, which was almost enough to pay for a room, had been zeroed out due to "inactivity" without notice. Well duh, nobody has been able to travel for over a year!  After calling customer service, they graciously made a "one time exception" and reinstated the points.

Good luck, and looking forward to October.

I have my reservations made with La Quinta for three nights. Did not make them directly with the hotel. La Quinta (direct) room rates were higher and they had, on their website at least, a pre-payment required, no refund/no cancellation policy posted (that may have changed by now; I have not checked recently). Anyhow, made my reservation via Booking.com

I have the hotel reservations, and I reserved some time with my car for transportation for the grueling two hour drive to York.

Gunrunnerjohn,

I'll get to enjoy a 1.5 to 2 hr drive after we arrive at BWI (Baltimore) airport.  A direct flight is available, where MDT (Harrisburg) requires a connecting flight.  Cheaper too, also paying for 3 tickets.

When I stop to say Hi at your booth, I'll see if my 12 yr old train buddy can untie your shoes while were talking... 

Jim

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So far, our group plans on staying at a Tru by Hilton located right where I-30 and I-83 intersect. It looked to be a fairly new hotel so hopefully, we won't have a bad time. For flights, we plan on taking an early flight through Southwest, change flights in Dallas (As we say in northern Texas, if you want to go to heaven you have to go through Dallas), and then arrive at the Baltimore/D.C. airport. From there drive north to York on the 21st and do the reverse on the 23rd.

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@Greg Houser posted:

Looks like we'll have a nice crowd of friendly faces at the La Quinta this coming York! 

-Greg

Greg,

You'll be drinking at nightime and having breakfast with the President! See my signature. You will have the honors as well as others to be in my company! Lol!

Good choice for those staying there. Nice place plus an indoor pool. Really looking forward to the social aspect of York.

Ted

@Mark Boyce posted:

I hear my conscience telling me I made a mistake again.  😄

I like to think of myself as more of an enabler rather than a conscience. 

Seriously... You've mentioned some challenges getting around - get there a day early, maybe catch the end of the bandit meet if you can arrive before noon on Wednesday.  Get a good night's sleep to be ready for Thursday.  Staying Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday nights will allow you to move through the meet at your leisure, and not have to rush back home.  Also, IIRC if you sign up for Wyndham's loyalty program (free), there's an additional discount for stays of 3 or more nights.  I've found that the AARP discount usually gets the best rate.

BTW, the Wyndham Garden is an excellent choice - you can meet other train folks in the bar and at breakfast.  I'm waffling - I have reservations at both LQ and WG - WG is about $20 more per night.  Obviously going to cancel one of them.  We travel 550 miles each way, so we're staying Tuesday thru Friday nights.

Mallard, you have excellent points!  My only two times there,  I drove home after a Friday at York.  In the effort to save money, that is probably dumb in this case.  The trip takes me about 5 hours with stops included in that.  Why not reserve the extra night, and I can cancel one just as easily as I can cancel the whole trip if need be?

Enabler is a good term for your words.  In effect the discussion back and forth helps those involved make the best decisions whether it is building a layout or planning a trip to a show.

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I am glad to see the excitement building around the October York show this year. I know that many of you have been going for many years and you all have your chosen places.
For the last few years since we have been attending, my wife, daughter, and I have been staying in Intercourse, PA at a great Best Western. We usually attend the show on Friday, head to the hotel that evening, and then go back for a few hours on Saturday. We all enjoy the show, we get to visit the shops around Strasburg, and my daughter gets pool time at the hotel each night. It works for us, and the drive back and forth those couple days isn’t bad.
I hope you all enjoy the show.

Greg,

You'll be drinking at nightime and having breakfast with the President! See my signature. You will have the honors as well as others to be in my company! Lol!

Good choice for those staying there. Nice place plus an indoor pool. Really looking forward to the social aspect of York.

Ted

Sounds perfect as I love going first class!

The drinking part is why I always stay at the La Quinta (and the Best Western prior to it opening) - so I don't have to worry about driving after the Forum gathering Thursday night!  It's also why I never got to a Legacy Group Users meeting on Friday morning - the opening bell was early enough!

-Greg

Could someone provide a good link to online register for the October 2021 York? Thank you!

This link     https://www.yorkregistration.org/     opens up to:

October 21-23, 2021 York Meet Registration
Eastern Division TCA

Online registration for the next meet will be available starting around December 5.

Stay safe and we look forward to seeing you in October.

Could someone provide a good link to online register for the October 2021 York? Thank you!

This link     https://www.yorkregistration.org/     opens up to:

October 21-23, 2021 York Meet Registration
Eastern Division TCA

Online registration for the next meet will be available starting around December 5.

Stay safe and we look forward to seeing you in October.

I had the same problem, but online registration does not open until July 15, 2021.

I had the same problem, but online registration does not open until July 15, 2021.

Well that explains it! Thank you! I’m glad I didn’t miss it. Looking at Clem’s primer I noticed that York registrations have been declining for years from a high of 14,325 in April 2007 to 8,447 in April 2019. One can certainly hope that absence makes the heart grow fonder and that now people will flock back to York.  I would not be surprised to see those numbers rises significantly for October 2021!

@Windy City posted:

I haven't been to York in over ten years.  Is it still a there day show? Thurs, Fri, Sat

I calculated that it's more cost effective to fly than drive from Chicago.  Is Harrisburg the closest airport?

Any recommendations about arriving early for hotel swaps (do they still exist)

Any recommendations on lodging?

Lots of lodging suggestions and bandit meet info above.  Of course, we don't know if or how things will be different this time.

When calculating the cost, be sure to include the cost of shipping stuff back home (along with the risk of breakage).  Harrisburg is closest, but depending on airline and flight times, BWI might be an option.

I drive from central Indiana (550 miles each way) - 180 miles south of Chicago - it's a long trip, but there are several train shops to stop at, and Horseshoe Curve isn't far out of the way.

@Mallard4468 posted:

Lots of lodging suggestions and bandit meet info above.  Of course, we don't know if or how things will be different this time.

When calculating the cost, be sure to include the cost of shipping stuff back home (along with the risk of breakage).  Harrisburg is closest, but depending on airline and flight times, BWI might be an option.

I drive from central Indiana (550 miles each way) - 180 miles south of Chicago - it's a long trip, but there are several train shops to stop at, and Horseshoe Curve isn't far out of the way.

You could make a whole week of it with all the great places to stop.

I'm going to try and make Saturday, just started a new job and don't want to be "that guy" who asks off for time right out the gate. Still it will be good to get back to doing normal things again and seeing a few familiar faces.



Jerry

Explain its a Hobby Religious thing.  Lots of folks Religiously make the trek to York every year...

or maybe it's a medial therapeutic. 

Jim

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This will be my 43rd York, missing 3 for the pandemic and 6 because of work. Most of the dealers in the Blue Hall beat me by a mile in years attending. It's a 2 hr 15 minute drive in the morning from Virginia. I usually wind up going to Eagles Nest after the show and then make the return in 4 hours never solving the bad evening traffic in Maryland.  The show has definitely gotten less crowded since I first attended in '95 and the silly no-camera, no walkie-talkie rules have been relaxed. In the old days I would drop my wife off at the mall or Value City or she would take the TCA "Ladies Bus" to the Lancaster Outlets. Well, the malls and Value City are long gone and outlets now exist elsewhere all over the country.   The show is always a great experience to meet up with friends and dealers who I've known for a long, long time.  Oh, by the way, you can also buy some train stuff there!

I have my reservations made with La Quinta for three nights. Did not make them directly with the hotel. La Quinta (direct) room rates were higher and they had, on their website at least, a pre-payment required, no refund/no cancellation policy posted (that may have changed by now; I have not checked recently). Anyhow, made my reservation via Booking.com

If you go thru Wyndham Rewards (free to join), you can book a cancellable reservation (24 hours in advance) without pre-payment (or save a few bucks by paying now, but not worth the risk IMO). My rate for October is under $120/night including tax with AARP discount.  Since LQ is part of Wyndham, the rewards program has more ability to fix problems than third-party sites.

I'm not affiliated with LQ or Wyndham; I've just had good luck with their program.

@John E K posted:

I met with Dan Danielson this morning and he confirmed the following for the October York Show:

- Registration will open online on or before July 17th. An announcement will be made through the TCA email list prior.

- They expect the tables to sell out. Aisles will be wider for adequate social distancing, causing the removal of around 170 tables.

- Member tables will be in the Black and Yellow Halls.

- Monday activity - Movie Night in the Blue Hall. Under Siege 2, Steven Seagal is the cook on a train in this one?

- Tuesday Night Reception 5:30p-7p. Hall TBD, finger food, etc.

- No activities on Wednesday.

- Show opens Noon on Thursday.

All information should be considered as subject to adjustment. Hope this helps your planning.

@WaynePa posted:

Will all the halls be open or will there be some limitations.

I understand that members who are already registered and have a table registration will have a table but they may not be in the same location. Could that change as we get closer to the date.

John posted this info a few pages back.

@Greg Houser posted:

Fyi...this was answered earlier in this thread.

-Greg

Tried to find it but no luck.

I was told the following: Orange hall only on Thursday with no tables booths only, silver and blue open with limited tables on Friday and Saturday.  

No other information on the other halls except they are listed on the registration form which was probably printed a long time ago.

@Mark Boyce posted:

Mallard, I agree, I like wider aisles that allow someone to stoop down to look at what a vendor has under the table and still let traffic including wheelchairs move easily.  I guess that becomes more important as we get older.

It would also allow room to pass around the few attending wives that stand behind their husbands blocking the aisles

As well as room for people with backpacks (This is one thing, IMHO, that Eastern should ban from the halls).

Lastly room for the growing # of scooters - I can't tell you how many times my toes were run over with these

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@Lionelski posted:

It would also allow room to pass around the few attending wives that stand behind their husbands blocking the aisles

As well as room for people with backpacks (This is one thing, IMHO, that Eastern should ban from the halls).

Lastly room for the growing # of scooters - I can't tell you how many times my toes were run over with these

I was trying to think of the word 'scooters' when I wrote wheelchairs instead.  Having just come off back fusion and knee replacement, I can better appreciate folks being able to participate with a scooter.  Unfortunately, I can also appreciate that the driver needs to be aware of where he is going and how much overhang he has.

@Nathan B posted:

As much as I want to, I won't be able to this year. I'm only limited to October York's due to our busy season every April at work. And I am currently saving up for a house. Hopefully either October 2022 or 2023 is when I'll be able to attend my first York.

Originally I was not planning on attending, but I'm changing my answer that my first York will be this year. I do know for a fact that I will be missing 2022, so 2023 will be my next one after this year's. But that long stretch will give me time to save some money.  Several of our module group members and I will make the journey. I hope to see and meet a bunch of you guys.

Now you're talking, Arnold!  4 more months.

I'll leave an update to my trying to get physically ready for a hoped for trip to York in October.  Thursday I visited the back surgeon for my first follow-up, I got my staples out, they were happy with the x-rays, and happy with how I am progressing post surgery 3 weeks ago.  Tomorrow, I start PT.  I see on the lengthy description of what they want PT to work on with me, that bending and twisting is still 4 months out.  It will be a slow process, but I'll do exactly what the therapists and doctors say to get ready for the long term and not think short term.  Still, I hope to have some coffee with you at Round the Clock, Arnold.

Mark, I'm very much looking forward to meeting you at the Round the Clock Diner.  Besides trains and the Forum, we have something else in common: back issues.

I have had a bulging disc in my lower back since my early 30s. My days of acute pain seem to be over, but I still have some relatively mild chronic discomfort. Among other things, it affects my golf game: my drives that used to be as long as 280 yards are now about 230 yards.

Once your back is stable and your doctor and physical therapist (PT) give you the green light, stretching exercises should help you. I will demonstrate to you the stretching exercises that a PT recommended to me 30 years ago.

I have previously mentioned on the Forum about one of my stretching exercises that was not recommended by a health professional: getting on my hands and knees and crawling under the train table to fix a derailment. LOL, Arnold

Thank you Pat and Arnold!!  Though I don’t play golf, I can see where back problems would definitely hurt a golf swing!  I’m glad you are feeling better!  You are right about stretching over and under a layout is an exercise the PT folks wouldn’t give us.  😄 I’m going back to the place we went to for our knee replacements.  It’s a small clinic, but those folks are good.  They make for lively conversation while all of us are struggling with our exercises too.

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My first York experience was April 2019 and I had a great time.  Here is a link to the thread of my impressions of the meet, if anyone else is thinking about going for their first time.

Just renewed my TCA membership a few minutes ago, and I plan on attending again this upcoming October.  Last time I only went one day and didn't have the opportunity to meet and mingle with any of the forum members.  Trying to figure out what activities are planned for this year and I may make it a two day event so that I can meet some of you.

I do find myself going through O-gauge 'withdrawl' as we moved into an apartment last month while waiting for our new home in southern Delaware to be built.  I probably won't buy much as I have very few holes to fill in my collection, but want to soak up the atmosphere!

Jim

@jd-train posted:

My first York experience was April 2019 and I had a great time.  Here is a link to the thread of my impressions of the meet, if anyone else is thinking about going for their first time.

Just renewed my TCA membership a few minutes ago, and I plan on attending again this upcoming October.  Last time I only went one day and didn't have the opportunity to meet and mingle with any of the forum members.  Trying to figure out what activities are planned for this year and I may make it a two day event so that I can meet some of you.

I do find myself going through O-gauge 'withdrawl' as we moved into an apartment last month while waiting for our new home in southern Delaware to be built.  I probably won't buy much as I have very few holes to fill in my collection, but want to soak up the atmosphere!

Jim

Jim, I strongly recommend that you include in your trip to York visits to the Choo Choo Barn (fabulous LHS with a great operating O Gauge layout), the Pennsylvania Railroad Train Museum,  the TCA Museum, and the tourist steam train ride through Amish country. All of these things are in the York and Strasbourg area.

You may even get lucky like me and have the beautiful young Amish girls smile at you. Arnold

Well, after some careful thought, and in consideration of my advancing age, and knees that don’t advance as easily as they used to, I reached the conclusion that the one day round trip wasn’t such a great idea. I booked Wednesday night at the La Quinta, so I figure I’ll head out Wednesday afternoon, get a good nights rest, and, assuming I wake up on time, I’ll probably even make breakfast!!! And scrapple and pumpkin anything are big no-no’s That will give me more time to browse before heading home in the late afternoon.

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Jim, I strongly recommend that you include in your trip to York visits to the Choo Choo Barn (fabulous LHS with a great operating O Gauge layout), the Pennsylvania Railroad Train Museum,  the TCA Museum, and the tourist steam train ride through Amish country. All of these things are in the York and Strasbourg area.

You may even get lucky like me and have the beautiful young Amish girls smile at you. Arnold

I probably won't do it as part of a York meet trip, but it is a great idea!

I would love to see both the Pennsylvania Railroad Train Museum and the TCA Museum AND we are temporarily living only 30 minutes east of both.

Jim

@Apples55 posted:

Well, after some careful thought, and in consideration of my advancing age, and knees that don’t advance as easily as they used to, I reached the conclusion that the one day round trip wasn’t such a great idea. I booked Wednesday night at the La Quinta, so I figure I’ll head out Wednesday afternoon, get a good nights rest, and, assuming I wake up on time, I’ll probably even make breakfast!!! And scrapple and pumpkin anything are big no-no’s That will give me more time to browse before heading home in the late afternoon.

Smart man, Paul!  I don’t know how far you have to travel, but one day trips over 3 hours away are out for me anymore.  I hope to see you there.

I found the York Meet webpage. They have a "primer" for new attendees but it looks like it was last updated in 2017. Does anyone know if there are plans to update it? Or if there are other sources of preparatory material?

I am hoping to go to it for the first time. Wife has already signed off and will not be coming. I want to have a good idea what to expect so I can plan my time.

Thanks, Frank

@ftauss posted:

I found the York Meet webpage. They have a "primer" for new attendees but it looks like it was last updated in 2017. Does anyone know if there are plans to update it? Or if there are other sources of preparatory material?

I am hoping to go to it for the first time. Wife has already signed off and will not be coming. I want to have a good idea what to expect so I can plan my time.

Thanks, Frank

@Bruce Brown posted:

Clem Clement's tutorial on York is arguably the biblical primer. Here it is...

http://tcaetrain.org/2d-articl...Fall2019/index.shtml

Bruce hit the nail on the head!

Also, keep in mind the forum breakfast at Round The Click Diner on Thursday morning and the forum dinner gathering at Quaker Steak and Lube on Thursday evening.

Peter will start a breakfast thread a few weeks before the meet and while there usually isn't a dinner thread before the event folks start gathering around 5:30 and we pretty much take over the back part of the restaurant.  The wait staff will direct you to the back and just grab a seat.

-Greg

@shorling posted:

...At Strasburg there is the PA State Railroad Museum, TCA Museum, Strasburg  Railroad and Choo Choo Barn...

If you are traveling any distance such that you're staying overnight, be sure to spend the extra time to see all of these.

In addition, the train club in Red Lion generally has an open house on Wednesday and Thursday evening, and it should not be missed.  (Be sure to check on all events due to possible changes due to covid)

Although Clem's primer runs about 45 pages, IMHO a couple of items are missing:

1) If you are married, have a joint checking account, and in the process of building a layout--buying trains, track, scenery, etc--please think of a budget amount you don't plan to exceed. (I would also say this if you were planning on a trip to Las Vegas.) Problem is that it would be easy to drop $10,000+ at York without much effort. I always told my wife what I would be spending, and got agreement from her in advance. Thus when I returned home she did not go into shock or demanded large quantities of gold and diamond jewelry in retaliation. (I am still happily married after 30 years and attended York for 25 of them)

2) If you are a senior, knowing where all the bathrooms are located is vital. The TCA's map you get in the mail has those highlighted.  As someone previously mentioned, bring single dollar bills for the bathroom attendants.

@Rail Dude posted:

Great info, Thanks Bruce!

I very much would like to attend, (First Timer), gotta learn to quit choosing career over the love for the hobby. It's getting easier as I get older, coincidence?

I attended my first York when I was 61.  Yes, way too old considering I live a 5-hour drive away.  I agree it’s easier the older we get.  Now I’m retired, recovering from surgery, and will be 65 this fall, hopefully in good shape to attend again.  You worked hard all these years, get to York and enjoy it.  None of us knows how much longer he will be able to do it.

@Bruce Brown posted:

Although Clem's primer runs about 45 pages, IMHO a couple of items are missing:

1) If you are married, have a joint checking account, and in the process of building a layout--buying trains, track, scenery, etc--please think of a budget amount you don't plan to exceed. (I would also say this if you were planning on a trip to Las Vegas.) Problem is that it would be easy to drop $10,000+ at York without much effort. I always told my wife what I would be spending, and got agreement from her in advance. Thus when I returned home she did not go into shock or demanded large quantities of gold and diamond jewelry in retaliation. (I am still happily married after 30 years and attended York for 25 of them)

2) If you are a senior, knowing where all the bathrooms are located is vital. The TCA's map you get in the mail has those highlighted.  As someone previously mentioned, bring single dollar bills for the bathroom attendants.

I’m with you on both items, Bruce.  I have been able to keep Mrs. B. happy for 37 years.  Also, bathrooms are vital.  I’m happy to tip those fellows in the rest rooms.  There is a similar arrangement in rest rooms at Heinz Hall in Pittsburgh when we go to hear our daughter sing with the Mendelssohn Choir.