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Originally posted by SIRT:
Atlas Wabash 40’ AAR?

Anyone have a photo of a 700 series WAB blue box car?
I’ve looked at all my resources and have never seen a real one.

I'm sure someone will post one.

Thanks,
Steve


Steve,

The little bit of Wabash reference material I have shows four 40' cars painted blue, numbers 750, 751, 752, 753. Built in 1944 for another RR (New Jersey, Indiana and Illinois?) to the Wabash later. Repainted blue in 1963.
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Lima (or anyone)- Do you have any other information about the cars? 

 

I'm interested to know how they might have been used.  Usually when a railroad would use a different paint scheme, it might have designated a special use. 

 

Do you know the earliest date that they may have been in service in the blue paint scheme.

 

I have tried to do some research and couldn't come up with anything.

 

I really like the paint scheme.

From the Heimburger book, "Wabash", I found that the 750 to 753 numbers were passenger equipment numbers, and read somewhere that they may have been in express service. 

 

And from Micro Trains who also manufactured these cars:

"These 40’ standard box cars with Youngstown doors are painted Wabash Blue and display the yellow Wabash “Follow the Flag” herald and yellow lettering. They run on black Bettendorf trucks. The four cars built in 1944 belong to a small series, 750-753, and were owned by NJI&I and leased to the Wabash."

 

I think the 1963 date on the car is from when they were reclassified for freight service.

James Kincaid's "Wabash / Nickel Plate / DT&I - Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment" a very-well researched Morning Sun book features on page 21 a Lou Schmitz color photo of blue box car # 751.  To my eye, the Atlas model matches this photo in every detail.  The photo caption says the date of the photo was Dec 29, 1963 taken in Council Bluffs, Iowa.   It carried the "XM" in lieu of the more normal "BX" used for passenger box express cars.  Built in Sept 1944, the car was owned by the NJI&I and leased to the Wabash.  

I know that this is an old forum topic, regarding the four 750 series road numbers of Wabashs' 40' blue painted and gold marked, box cars with Youngstown 6'w. doors, used as a 'BX' 'Express' box car, in passenger service, of which, the four cars were built in 1944 for NJI&I and leased to Wabash and by 11-63 Wabash reclassified these cars as 'XM' for general service.

In this forum topic, it seems that I'm not the only one who likes to have a photo. of the real car, to go along with my Atlas 'O' scale model, of the same car.

This car seemed to be a mystery, until I came across this forum topic and I'm glad to read all of the info., of this 'Express' box car, as I had suspected it was a head end type of car, before finding this post.

Thanks to Brian, he states that there is a color photo. of Wabash R.#751, but can the photo. be posted here, on this forum.

I would appreciate it.

Thank you,

Ralph 

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Credit for the photo I referred to above on Feb 10, 2012 is given to Lou Schmitz in the Morning Sun Book.  Perhaps Morning Sun or the book's author/editor James Kinkaid can put you in contact with Mr. Schmitz.  The Title page of this book lists the address for Morning Sun Books, Inc. as 9 Pheasant Lane, Scotch Plains, NJ 07076.  Or perhaps you could contact them through their website www.morningsunbooks.com.  I'm hesitant to post the photo because I've not asked permission of the photographer and may be in violation of copyright if I did so.

 

 

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Thank you, Brian.

I know about the copyright infringement problem.

I'll just have to save up my pennies and buy a copy of the book.

It, seems that most of these specially colored box cars have scarce info. and photos., as if they were 'Magical' and 'Mysterious!'

Like our fellow forum members, who have posted about this subject, I too, would like info. and photos. of cars I buy and Atlas 'O,' for the most part, are dead on with their recreations of prototype RR. cars.

Take Care,

Ralph

 

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Brian,

No, I still have not received the book, which I ordered Thu. 11 Sep. 2014,.

I found a place in Cali., which is selling it a few dollars cheaper, than others.

Unfortunately, the place I ordered it from was in the process of moving and speaking to one of the owners, via phone, they are out of stock.

SO, they have to contact Morning Sun books, here in the East, have the book shipped out West to them, only to send it back East, to me!!!!!

Had I not been so cheap, I should/would have contacted Morning Sun books direct, pay the Piper and have the book sent from a little West of me and to the East, to me!!!!!!

I will let you know and I'm under the impression from your previous post, describing the car, that the photo. of the prototype car somewhat matches the Atlas 'O' scale model, as shown in the above post from Malcolm.

Thank you, Brian for notifying me of a photo. and thank you Malcolm for posting a photo. of the scale model.

http://www.atlaso.com/o1937aarboxcar6.htm

Ralph

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Thanks to all and yes Brian my book came yesterday, Tue.21 Oct. 2014, and on the top of page 21 the color photo. of Wabash #751, former 'Express', box car is as Brother Love's post of Atlas 'O's M.L.S. color photo. of Wab #752, and as the model that I have #751.

Most of the markings and color paint scheme match, as Atlas produces their 1:48 scale models to resemble as close to the prototype-'Real-Deal' rolling stock.

Ralph

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I thought you would be interested in the info., etc., as I.

Thank you for initially bringing the subject of the WAB 'BLUE' box car, up;

Thanks to Brother Love for posting a color photo. of Atlas' scale model, of the 'BLUE' box car;

                                         AND

Thanks to Brain for giving the info. regarding the book with the photos. and info., contained therein.

MYSTERY SOLVED!
Mark this case closed!!!!!

Ralph

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Dave,

WAB #705 still classed as 'BX' (Look Closely) 'Express' box car, built at Decatur shops in Nov. 1959, photo-ed. at Saint Louis car wash facility, as SIRT points out, in Sep. 1967.

I guess weathering and wear and tear, as shown, took place between those years, as aforementioned.

 

Photo. in book of WAB #751 (AND AS ON ATLAS' MODEL #751, that

I have) are classed as 'XM' (SEE Brother Love's post for a color photo. of Atlas' WAB #752 model car, which is very similar to the actual real-deal car (Thanks to Atlas), photo., of real car not posted.

This particular car #751, when photo-ed. and as Atlas' model is, was classified as an 'XM,' which had been previously classed as a 'BX.' 

Car #751 was photo-ed. at Council Bluffs, Iowa on 29 Dec. 1963, built in Sep.1944, this car was owned by the NJI&I and leased to the Wabash, first appearing in Wabash Register listing in Apr. 1964.

These cars were ex-NJI&I series 1400-1699 and were originally New Haven cars.

WAB #'s 750, 751, 752 & 753, respectively.

 

Ralph 

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Dave,

I'm curious to know which car do you have, the WAB #751 'XM,' photo. '63, 'General;' 

                                                    OR,

WAB #752 'XM,' 'General,' (No photo. of real car), as Brother Love's post of Atlas' color photo. showing WAB #752.

Atlas only put out the two aforementioned road numbers of 'XM' classified box cars.

 

Ralph

 

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Dave,

The car which Steve posted is of a different road number and is from a different series set of box cars which are classified as 'BX' and is still in 'Express' box car service, showing signs of weathering and wear as at the time it was photographed.

Look close and you will see the letters 'BX', to the left of the door.

 

The FOUR road numbers, I posted 750, 751, 752 and 753, were taken out of 'BX' 'Express' service, by early 1962, or 1963 and re-classified as 'XM' 'GENERAL' service and these are the cars which Atlas 'O' modeled of only TWO road numbers, such as 751, which I have and 752, which you have and is in the color photo. posted by Brother Love-Malcolm.

A photo. of 751 is in the book, on top of page 21, that Brian Wolf posted about.

Get my E.-Mail address in the OGR Forum listing, for further information regarding the REAL 751, as in the book.

 

The scale models that Atlas made, 751 and 752, not only are alike, to one another, but are very closely similar to the real car in the photograph on page 21.

As, for weathering, wear and tear detailing, that is your decision of what you want.

Ralph

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Dave,

As I previously posted, I bought the model, also thinking that it looked neat.

When, I searched the Intreee-Net, No such BLUE animal existed, other than the 'Freight Car Color' box cars. Looking for these BLUE beauties and not able to easily find them made me realize that they were of some importance.

Then SIRT-Steve posted his interest of these cars, Brother Love-Malcolm posted the color photo. of Atlas' ad. and Brian Wolf's post of where there is a photo. of said car(s).

After receiving my copy of the book did I not only find our class of car 'XM,' 751(752-NO photo.), but one other Blue, older class car 'BX.' 705.

By the way, photo. of #751 shows some slight denting damage left of the door. 

For some unknown reason these classification type of cars was a difficult find!

Obtaining 'Krypto Top Secret' info., probably would have been easier to get!!!!!

E.-Mail me: supraphonic43@gmail.com

Ralph 

 

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Dave,

We used 'K' Krypto, for a specific reason, in the U.S. Navy, when ships were made of wood and men were made of steel!

AND, Yes, until all of these previous posts, a photo of one, or any, of these BLUE boxes was difficult to find.

The dent damage to #751, as I previously described is accompanied by a long scrape, mid-way up, from the left ('B' end), to the right ('A' end), along the side facing the camera.

Ralph

 

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