American Flyer GP7 FlyerChief Info

Thanks.  And are all of the wheels also insulated - such then that only the little rollers pick-up electricity from the rails?  

David Horn

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Specializing in S-gauge train repairs, upgrades, and DCC conversions

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Sgaugian posted:

Thanks.  And are all of the wheels also insulated - such then that only the little rollers pick-up electricity from the rails?  

I haven't seen one of these things yet, but as far as I know only one truck is motorized and I'd wager the non-powered truck also picks up power through the wheels in addition to the rollers.

Rusty

Greekchief posted:

Looks nice. BUT it's a terrible runner as in it doesn't. 😞. Back you go.

That's a shame. I have the same one on the way as the track under the tree awaits. I am hoping this will be one of the small few Flyonel engines I have not had to send away for warranty service.

Greekchief posted:

The powered truck does indeed have four traction tires. The non powered truck picks up power through rollers also.

WOW. I thought I was seeing things. Now I don't have to cut down on the eggnog!   

Time to pull some stumps...or kids' teeth like with the old string and doorknob trick.

1. Attach string to loose tooth and rear of GP7.

2. Hit the gas.

3. Put tooth fairy money under kid's pillow.

Mark

Roundhouse Bill posted:

I just talked to the Editor of the S Gaugian and I will write the review of the engine for the March-April edition.

All well and dandy, but the good, bad, and ugly will have been long since posted here long before that issue hits the streets. Don needs to pick up the pace a bit. 

Roundhouse Bill posted:

Well, my new UP arrived today and I put it right on the layout.  The GP7 ran just as advertised and I am very pleased.  For $209.99 from Charles Ro it is a great value.   

Regrettably, the black pilots aren't right ... even by Lionel's catalog illustration. Gee, Gilbert got the gray pilots correctly 62 years ago. QC? QC? 

Bob

Bob, there is no way for Don of the S Gaugian to "step-it-up".  You can't review a product before it arrives.  The January/February issue is already out so we would have to had the locomotive in October.  Toy train magazine's deadlines are two or three months before printing. 

I might note that the entire market for Flyer does not read this site so there are plenty of future buyers to consider.

I think the pilot is fine.  It does pivot with the truck, when you examine it you can see it has to because of the ElectroCouplers.

Gilbert never got the trucks for a JP7, right but the new Flyonel engine has them more prototypical. 

Roundhouse Bill posted:

Bob, there is no way for Don of the S Gaugian to "step-it-up".  You can't review a product before it arrives.  The January/February issue is already out so we would have to had the locomotive in October.  Toy train magazine's deadlines are two or three months before printing. 

I might note that the entire market for Flyer does not read this site so there are plenty of future buyers to consider.

I think the pilot is fine.  It does pivot with the truck, when you examine it you can see it has to because of the ElectroCouplers.

Gilbert never got the trucks for a JP7, right but the new Flyonel engine has them more prototypical. 

1. I agree with you that in the current age, print media have their limitations.  Among its several weaknesses, if S Gaugian was more up to date, it would have a functioning website that could be accessed by subscribers. Problem is that the GP7s will be fairly old news by spring. The attributes of these new engines will have been thrashed out here, on S-Trains, and the other boards before then. 

2. The pilots should have been painted gray. Any review worth its salt would have to state the obvious. It is the color that I posted about and Gilbert got the color correctly.

3. And, it's 'GP7", not 'JP7'.

Glad you are enjoying your new acquisition.

Respectfully,

Bob

Bob Bubeck posted:
 The pilots should have been painted gray. Any review worth its salt would have to state the obvious. It is the color that I posted about and Gilbert got the color correctly.

 

Bob

Bob, you are absolutely correct as to the pilot needing to be gray as shown in the prototype #125:

UP GP7 125

But I can live with it.

The real good news is the redesigned electro-couplers which actually work. They are a vast improvement over earlier attempts by Lionel such as those on the SD70's which you mentioned in a thread some time ago. I complained to Lionel about them at that time (Dave Olson) and they listened. 

A mention of following prototype paint schemes to Lionel (talktous@Lionel.com) might result in better results in a future run of the UP units.

Mark

banjoflyer posted:
Bob Bubeck posted:
 The pilots should have been painted gray. Any review worth its salt would have to state the obvious. It is the color that I posted about and Gilbert got the color correctly.

 

Bob

Bob, you are absolutely correct as to the pilot needing to be gray as shown in the prototype #125: <snip>

But I can live with it.

The real good news is the redesigned electro-couplers which actually work. They are a vast improvement over earlier attempts by Lionel such as those on the SD70's which you mentioned in a thread some time ago. I complained to Lionel about them at that time (Dave Olson) and they listened. 

A mention of following prototype paint schemes to Lionel (talktous@Lionel.com) might result in better results in a future run of the UP units.

Mark

Or, the customer can paint the pilots gray. But, gee wiz, why not just get it right to start with?   And then, there is GREEKCHIEF's assembly problem.

As you are, I am glad that the electrocouplers 'work'. Looking forward to getting my NKP version (which, correctly, does have black pilots). 

Have fun.

Bob

Hi All. Dave, Can you give us your guess about when the next run of Flyer Chief Union Pacific GP7s will be. Lionel’s shipping schedule doesn’t show any AF UP GP7s in 2018 and the UP version is on backorder everywhere I’ve looked.  

Ken

I can't believe it still runs well...

CaseyKen posted:

Hi All. Dave, Can you give us your guess about when the next run of Flyer Chief Union Pacific GP7s will be. Lionel’s shipping schedule doesn’t show any AF UP GP7s in 2018 and the UP version is on backorder everywhere I’ve looked.  

Ken

Ship date from factory is first week of August. So I would expect end of September or so.

Dave Olson

Director of Engineering

Lionel LLC

CaseyKen posted:

Hi All. Dave, Can you give us your guess about when the next run of Flyer Chief Union Pacific GP7s will be. Lionel’s shipping schedule doesn’t show any AF UP GP7s in 2018 and the UP version is on backorder everywhere I’ve looked.  

Ken

Nicholas Smith trains has the UP GP7  in stock.

Mark

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Ukaflyer posted:

So, the UP GP7 has 'chuff sounds' that are in sync with the engine. Can anyone that has one tell us what they think of this feature?

For steamers I find the Flyerchief sounds to be quite inferior to the Legacy steam engine sounds, but I was impressed by the sound on these GP-7's and consider them on par with Legacy diesels.

Dave Olson posted:
CaseyKen posted:

Hi All. Dave, Can you give us your guess about when the next run of Flyer Chief Union Pacific GP7s will be. Lionel’s shipping schedule doesn’t show any AF UP GP7s in 2018 and the UP version is on backorder everywhere I’ve looked.  

Ken

Ship date from factory is first week of August. So I would expect end of September or so.

Dave, thanks for the shipping date info for the UP GP7. I’ll order one as soon as they’re available.

And thanks for the tip, Mark, but, today, they’re now out of stock at N.S., too. 

I can't believe it still runs well...

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