I would love to see Lionel make a Legacy Scale Model of this little 2-4-4T Commuter Locomotive once used in Manhattan, the Bronx, and Westchester County in New York on the Putnam Division of the NYC.
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I think it would look really good with the Atlas 60' NYC heavyweights!
Peter
No Tender! How far would the little bugger travel?
I would be in for sure but would be surprised if they could fit Legacy electronics in there if it was built to scale. Looks smaller than a PRR A-5.
Pete
@Dennis-LaRock posted:No Tender! How far would the little bugger travel?
Given their size you would think that they would start and stop just after popping a few yards down the track. However, because of what their job was, they wouldn't need to go long distances since it seems the SP had something similar that would travel 8 miles for it's route(at least that is what I believe I just read). These engines sound like they are the taxi's of the rails. Skip or some others would have to educate us further on that.
@Norton posted:I would be in for sure but would be surprised if they could fit Legacy electronics in there if it was built to scale. Looks smaller than a PRR A-5.
Pete
Are they bigger than the American 4-4-0 hybrids? I know the A5's are pretty small, but they have a tender for space for electronics. The hybrids there was only enough room for a pinky finger to barely fit if that. If there is no real room, they'd have to consider the possibility of having a sound passenger car for the electronics which some wouldn't like.
@NYC Fan posted:I would love to see Lionel make a Legacy Scale Model of this little 2-4-4T Commuter Locomotive once used in Manhattan, the Bronx, and Westchester County in New York on the Putnam Division of the NYC.
Very interesting engine Skip. I'd be interested in one for sure just because it is one of those engines most people don't know about(including me). Seeing something small like this reminds me of the small tank engine the BR&W used to have. They sold it I think to one of the railroads in NY I think to restore it. Can't remember what number it was and not sure if I could find it on the BR&W page as it used to be there years ago.
Could you give us some details on how big these engines were, I mean length of course, how far they ran, and anything else that comes to mind. I'd imagine that they had many stops on a short line traveling maybe less than a mile in some places?
I am working on upgrading a Lionel 0-6-0T “Docksider” now. Its about the same length as this engine but with a water tank surrounding the boiler so interior space is much wider. It has a tiny starter set motor and the boards fill the space from the smoke unit to the back of the coal bin. Anything they put in this engine could only be half as wide as the Docksider board. Might be possible if they use Trackmobile parts but I think you would lose most of the Legacy features.
Pete
We've had one in S Scale for decades... 
Rusty
A number of various small urban commuter engines wound up in industrial and logging uses in their second lives (so l have read). I always think about an Illinois captive grain elevator shortline that maintained an 0-4-0T for seasonal grain rushes. For that reason l would be interested in such a model (with preferably an unlettered version). (I also thought l read that they were cramming miniature electronics into HO, so...why not this?)
Nice loco Skip. I'd take one, add in LIRR and I'd buy two for sure 
. Not protypical but a loco like this could have operated on some of the short branches back in the day. The Oyster Bay branch comes to mind.
Lionel has LC 2.0 in the new Docksider. I'm sure the boards could fit in something like this too.
Bob
I’ve always wanted an old Forney engine to pull some cars on my elevated line. Although this little 2-4-4T probably didn’t haul any passengers on the El, it looks close enough, since it is a successor model to the Forney. If Lionel built it and didn’t gouge on pricing, I’d definitely be in for one.
What a neat locomotive! As a fan of the NYC, I would consider getting one if it had command capabilities (LC2.0/tmcc).
I think my friend @Arnold D. Cribari might also like this loco/thread topic as he models The Put.
Bryce
This would require new tooling correct ? I have doubts about seeing any new tooling for a steam engine. Repaints seem to be the way they are gong these days.
@Arthur posted:This would require new tooling correct ? I have doubts about seeing any new tooling for a steam engine. Repaints seem to be the way they are gong these days.
Yes it would definitely be new tooling. The alternative would be brass or brass hybrid. Depending on what is out there that is comparable in size, that could be possible to do, but very doubtful anything is close enough to try something like that.
That being said, there is always a possibility of a new tooling coming into the works. These engines Skip has stressed before, back in 2017 according to what my initial search said this morning. So, they could be on the radar as it were, question is has Lionel taken a board look at this engine to see if it is something they would do?
There is always a possibility that these engines will be made or any other that we have asked about, it may take a year, may take 10, who can say. All it needs is a demand for something new and them to take it up. Yeah, that is something seldom done, but you can only hope.
FWIW as I understand the tiny box behind the cab is the very small tender. They're only useful for the size of the boilers and the short runs these wee steamers ran.
@Rusty Traque posted:We've had one in S Scale for decades...
Rusty
...can we see it? 
For some reason, that link isn't working... 
Mark in Oregon
Link works for me, Mac with Safari browser.
Pictures show my 1:48 On30 model of Sandy River & Rangeley Lakes 2-4-4T Forney #11 offered by Bachmann around 2007. These engines ran on railroads of the two-foot narrow-gauge system in Maine until the 1930s. The prototypes were built by Baldwin between 1907 and 1909.
Locomotives of this type were also built to standard gauge (56-1/2 inches) by Alco-Brooks in 1910 for the New York Central and Hudson River Railroad and hauled short passenger trains on the Putnam Division between 155th Street in Manhattan and Getty Square in Yonkers. Similar 0-4-4Ts ran in New York City on elevated lines prior to electrification in 1903. The Boston, Revere Beach & Lynn three-foot narrow-gauge railroad also operated this type of locomotive in commuter service prior to its electrification in 1928.
My pictures show the model sitting between the center and an outer rail of Atlas O gauge track on my 10’-by-5’ model railroad. On30 models have a gauge equivalent to 30-inches at full scale which can run on HO track or, more correctly, on accurately scaled On30 track. I don’t have an On30 setup and have this model just for display. It is very small, fragile, and difficult to handle or clean – which I did quickly before taking the pictures.
At this point, I believe that many of us have plenty of the best-known types of steam locomotives. These days, I’m much more interested in small engines to run on my small layouts. And, I would certainly buy a model of one of the New York Central 2-4-4T engines. I think that Scott Mann, of Sunset Models, would be the only person who might consider making one.
MELGAR
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Looking at Rusty's posted Rex, could that brass loco be ordered for Flyer AC (l know little about 2 rail Flyer), and track on it? The fact it exists proves others have thought it an interesting engine. l mulled over the K-Line engine back then but decided it was too big, and unlikely for my applications described above. Third Rail might be our only hope, and they would probably have to be guaranteed to sell a lot of 'em. ( Wouldn't that be great for power in a starter set?)
@Strummer posted:...can we see it?
For some reason, that link isn't working...
Mark in Oregon
The link works for me. Here's another image.
Rusty
