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I have 2 TIUs (a Rev G and a Rev L), 2 AUIs, and 2 TUI/AIU interface cables. I've successfully had the G and one of the AUIs work in the past. The other AUI is one I bought maybe 5 years ago, but never used.

Both TIUs are set to Address 1 (1 blink, verified), but powered only one TIU at a time. For each TIU, I tried both AIUs and both cables in all possible combinations. The cable is always connected to the TIU at the AIU INPUT port and to the AUI at the TIU INPUT port, per Barry's book. The TIUs had nothing other than AUX power connected to them. When I hit READ, I always find TIU1 as expected) but no AIUs. What am I doing wrong? I'm having a very hard time believing that both TIUs, both cables, and both AUIs are bad.

Chris

LVHR

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Robert,

Thanks, but that will make no difference, as only 1 TIU is powered at a time. The remote is programmed for TIU Address 1, so any TIU with that address will show. Once I have things ironed out, I'll change one of the TIU addresses. I will check the firmware, but I'm fairly certain that both are at 6.1.

Edit: I chcked the TIU firmware version. The Rev L is 6.00 and the Rev G is 4.10 (ouch!). I'll look into getting the G up to snuff.

Chris

LVHR

Last edited by lehighline

The cables are what came with the AIUs. When I lay each one out flat, the plastic lock tabs are on the same side. That means they were properly assembled.

BTW John, what is the longest cable I can place between the TIU and AIU and still have the AIU function? Can I get away with 25’?

Chris

LVHR

Go run a train or something, but stop being a jerk.

Vern,  We all have known this type of individual throughout our lives… narcissistic, vengeful and socially inept.  The good news is that they eventually discover and gravitate to other forums where this type of behavior is not only looked upon favorably but rejoiced and reveled in by their brethren.  Even better, none have any real friends… and, they eventually eat each other.

One aspect of this topic and extremely relevant to @gunrunnerjohn's excellent diagram of the AIU connector 12V pinout is that many folks, myself included, using relays have run into the power problem when you energize an entire bank of relays. As an example, at our club, we use several time delay relay modules for accessories in our amusement park area. Because we powered those timer relay modules off of our accessory power bus, there is a small 12V switching regulator module. We kept adding more buttons, more relays, and visitors would just go down the line of 12 buttons and press them all on, and so the current of holding that many relays in the active state would kick out this regulator on thermal. The solution was a bigger regulator, but also break up the multiple banks of relay timers, and put them on individual regulators.

Well, where this story has a parallel to typical train usage cases, you might wiring wise make sense to put the AIU nearest the accessories being controlled rather than a whole bunch of wire some distance from each accessory to the AIU. The problem is, then this thin AIU cable wiring is carrying that 12V from the TIU to your TIU, and depending on how many relays are active at any given time, the amount of current the AIU draws, and more importantly,the voltage drop across the distance of the cable. So, on long cable runs, it might be highly desirable to provide a local 12V regulated DC source at the AIU, especially one when a lot of the relays spend much of the time activated all at the same time.

And let's be honest- even Lionel ran into a similar issue with the LCS cabling system and a single power source. That's why only through tech support, you can order the special PDI cable PCB that allows you to inject a local source into that system. Many LCS modules are just banks of relays and the more relays active at a given time and longer cable distance, the worse the problem becomes. https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...itations-through-pdi

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Another solution here is to use heavier wire for long runs.  There's nothing in the rulebook that says you have to use the wimpy 26ga or 28ga flat cable for long runs to AIU boxes.  You can run 18ga thermostat wire for long runs and just splice in 6P6C connectors on a little PCB to mate to AIU with the short 1ft or 3ft cables.  It would be really easy to hack out a PCB that has provisions for this connector and six soldered connections to run the long extensions.

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Surprise! Things may have sorted themselves out a little tonight!

I went to the layout with the intent of taking pictures of the TIU, AIU and remote with message. Random choice as to which AUI and cable. The TIU is the Rev L with 6.1 firmware. Lo and behold, the connection worked! Don't ask me why, I have no clue. I connected everything the same as always.

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So with the connection working, I decided to add the second AIU to the mix. Failure!

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The second cable is marked with orange tape. I swapped connections, and only  one  AIU was found.

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Running the unmarked cable to the second AIU was a success.

So at this point, I'm reasonably certain I have a bad AIU cable (the one with orange tape.) I ordered new cables and some adapters this morning, so I'll have to wait for them to arrive to finish testing. But things are looking up!

Chris

LVHR

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