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Gilly@N&WGilly@N&WOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
TrainMan1225 posted:

Personally, I'd like some Strasburg items (especially no. 475, as I don't think a 4-8-0 has been done in O-Scale before)

Done by 3rd Rail several years ago. It is a beautiful model. I only wish you had a choice of Cab#s with 3rd Rail. It seems to be the luck of the draw when they ship.

TrainMan1225TrainMan1225OGR Forum Member
2012ford posted:

I have preordered four diesel engines from Lionel and Mth and have not had any problems with any of them. Most recently the Lionel NS 1111 SD70ACE no problems.

Seems like there are few Lionel diesels with problems. Steam seems to be the issue for Lionel. My one complaint is that on Lionel's barcode unit (1111), the number doesn't function as an actual barcode.  Be wary when you pre-order Lionel steam.

Dave WarburtonDave WarburtonOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER

Ok, so I bought four new production Lionel engines this past year. Two had problems and were taken care of by the dealers. Both problems were computer board ones. I have two more on order, due out in February .

We live by computers and we die by computers. I am using one to type this message., after all.

I also bought several older non-computer run engines off Ebay and they run great. But, of course, they have fewer features which is fine with me .

The world we live in. There are plenty of product choices available out there if you look, especially considering older, less sophisticated engines, mostly like new and performing just great.

Life is good. Happy New Year, everyone.

prrhorseshoecurveprrhorseshoecurveOGR Forum Member
irish rifle posted:

Due in large part to consistent feedback from its customers and dealers, Lionel has decided to resume manufacturing its scale freight and passenger cars with its former best in class die-cast sprung trucks and couplers with hidden uncoupling tabs. 

Ahem, those trucks were not all die cast. They are sheet metal with die cast side frames. A far departure from Atlas O die cast trucks, K-Line die cast trucks, and MTH die cast trucks.

@T1Titan_ZachF@T1Titan_ZachFOGR Forum Member

Its time for some more commuter rail and 21st century trains. I would like to see lionel make a run of additional amtrak cabbages painted in several of the phase 4 schemes that are seen today Ex: standard wave, Downeaster, 90208/90221 veterans. 

Also, I think a run of LEGACY HHP-8s will be wicked cool. Count me in. These could be made to display MARC and AMTRAK schemes. I understand that licencing would be needed from Marc but since thats not my field of work, all I can say is that at least the tooling for the electric already exists. (or at least I hope it still does) 

 

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IR irish rifleOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
prrhorseshoecurve posted:
irish rifle posted:

Due in large part to consistent feedback from its customers and dealers, Lionel has decided to resume manufacturing its scale freight and passenger cars with its former best in class die-cast sprung trucks and couplers with hidden uncoupling tabs. 

Ahem, those trucks were not all die cast. They are sheet metal with die cast side frames. A far departure from Atlas O die cast trucks, K-Line die cast trucks, and MTH die cast trucks.

Appreciate the technical correction. I should have said "die-cast metal sprung trucks and couplers with hidden uncoupling tabs." The hope is that the rumor is correct, as the former Lionel trucks and couplers are vastly superior to the ones Lionel is currently manufacturing. 

FM Former Member

If the catalog pages are bound into the spine as well as their couplers stay connected to each other, we'll have 200 or so loose sheets.

I would like to see more LC+ though and possibly an ERR board & remote that converts postwar engines to a similar LC+ radio control.

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SIRTSIRTOGR Forum Member
irish rifle posted:

Due in large part to consistent feedback from its customers and dealers, Lionel has decided to resume manufacturing its scale freight and passenger cars with its former best in class die-cast sprung trucks and couplers with hidden uncoupling tabs. 

Probably more like a loss of anticipated sales.

If they go back to the nicer and proven design, that would be great. The only detail still needed are air hoses like the competition supplies.

 

We just need to collect some combination door 40-50’ box cars. Lionel started with one ice reefer but never continued. The bottom door guide holes are there to do this, planned by the former PS Series car designer guys. Unfortunately they were used and then kicked out the door by Lionel Mgmt. after designing the GOOD scale products. Maybe the newer replacement staff has enough insight to offer and carry on the door variety designs that were planned?

I will wait and see who comes up with something new to buy first. I have plenty of the same old cookies offered each year, don’t need anymore.

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RS Rider SandmanOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Because I’ve been a consistent critic of the new cheapo trucks, I would definitely be in for some new rolling stock - especially some PS1 boxcars or diecast offset hoppers - if the trucks are indeed reverting back to the previous design (to put my money where my mouth is).  I would also be in for a Legacy NKP Consolidation with a swingin’ bell. 

pennsy484pennsy484OGR Forum Member
irish rifle posted:

Due in large part to consistent feedback from its customers and dealers, Lionel has decided to resume manufacturing its scale freight and passenger cars with its former best in class die-cast sprung trucks and couplers with hidden uncoupling tabs. 

Is this true or what you are hoping for? 

R Randy_BOGR Forum Member
johnstrains posted:

I know it's probably wishful thinking but I'll put in a request for something in the Postwar-inspired / conventional category. Lionel has pretty much abandoned these but still think there's a loyal following.

I really like some of the Postwar Celebration stuff from the early 2000's and have been picking up a few things here and there lately. I was a kid during the MPC period but was always attracted to some of the more iconic Postwar pieces and love the modern remakes that have been done. I wouldn't mind seeing a few more made but doubt it will happen.

SIRTSIRTOGR Forum Member

PWC was a cool idea. I even picked up a new mint budd set with 2- 2559’s in which I could never justify buying at those ridiculous prices.

Modelers have moved on past the toy cars to true detailed O along with the electronic advancements of today. No demand for non-scale anymore. You either have it all, look toward more realistic items or are just plain uninformed about all the numerous O variations.

carsntrainscarsntrainsOGR Forum Member

I am chomping at the bit to see the new catalog!   Im hoping for anything in Southern in rolling stock.   And maybe something Southern in LC or LC+ engines?   I have all 3 of the LC+ engines made so far in Southern.  Would like to have a 4rth, 5th and 6th! And I'd like to find a 2401B Southern switcher.   Have the A.   

Jim 

IR irish rifleOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
pennsy484 posted:
irish rifle posted:

Due in large part to consistent feedback from its customers and dealers, Lionel has decided to resume manufacturing its scale freight and passenger cars with its former best in class die-cast sprung trucks and couplers with hidden uncoupling tabs. 

Is this true or what you are hoping for? 

Jeff:

The thread asked about rumors. We will know whether there is any validity to it when the new catalog comes out. There are many of us that hope there is.

Pat 

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Country JoeCountry JoeOGR Forum Member
xrayvizhen posted:

If the catalog pages are bound into the spine as well as their couplers stay connected to each other, we'll have 200 or so loose sheets.

I would like to see more LC+ though and possibly an ERR board & remote that converts postwar engines to a similar LC+ radio control.

I don't have a clue as to what will be in the new catalogue but I agree with xray, new LC+ rather than new road names on old engines and the ability to convert conventional locos to LC+.

TT TM TerryOGR Forum Member
MR-150 posted:

If Lionel has the old Weaver Alco RS3 tooling,how about using it and release some Scale Alco RS3 locomotives 

It is time for Lionel to offer the ALCO RS3 in O-scale. There are nearly an endless list of the railroads that owned them. If they concentrated to produce RS3’s it would take over 5 years (maybe 10 years) to cover a majority of the railroads that owned them.

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Country JoeCountry JoeOGR Forum Member
johnstrains posted:

This may have been covered already (or maybe it was in that LC+ thread) but would love to see Lionel hit a homer with some completely new LC+ locos. They’ve had a good start with steam and diesel offerings over the last 4-5 years but time for something to wow us.

I agree John, though the LC+ Berkshire with Bluetooth wowed me last year, and I bought one. I'm hoping for something completely new to the line this year like a GG-1 or Pennsy Turbine (671/681/2020) or something completely new like a NYC Niagara or Mohawk.

johnstrainsjohnstrainsOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
Country Joe posted:
johnstrains posted:

This may have been covered already (or maybe it was in that LC+ thread) but would love to see Lionel hit a homer with some completely new LC+ locos. They’ve had a good start with steam and diesel offerings over the last 4-5 years but time for something to wow us.

I agree John, though the LC+ Berkshire with Bluetooth wowed me last year, and I bought one. I'm hoping for something completely new to the line this year like a GG-1 or Pennsy Turbine (671/681/2020) or something completely new like a NYC Niagara or Mohawk.

Absolutely! The Berk was maybe the "best in show" for any of the LC+ offerings to date.

B breezinupOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
KOOLjock1 posted:

Still hoping for a LionChief Plus Baby K4... and a matching L1 using the same tooling.

Jon  

yankspride4 posted:

A Lionchief Plus GG1 or 773 Hudson would be great!

i mentioned both to Ryan K last year...it seemed to stike a chord with him. Maybe one day...

Would like to add a LC+ Daylight GS4 and a J to the list.

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Notch 6Notch 6OGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER
Ingeniero No1 posted:

I would like to see the production version of the double-gantry, free-standing bridge crane I designed and built a fully functional prototype for Mike five years ago. Every time I ask, I am told it will be soon or next year. I has three axis movement plus on/off power for a magnet when such is used instead of a hook.

Alex

So that's your handy work Alex. Outstanding job! Mike showed me some photos when he was still with L and it appeared to be a very exciting product. It would have made a very nice update to the accessory line. Fingers crossed it still sees the light of day at some point. 

Dave45681Dave45681OGR Forum Member
paigetrain posted:

A good selection of starter sets

maybe a Transformers or gi joe or even star wars themed train or why not Gobots

more tier 4 engines this time for lionchief plus

a lionchief bullet train

Star Wars would be great, but even with it's popularity, I wonder the size of the cross section of people who are both Star Wars and train enthusiasts.

I liked Gobots as a kid, primarily because they were for the most part more affordable versions of Transformers.  (the ones I had were all mostly small action figure like (which at the time you could probably buy for under $5 per figure), rather than huge like some the Transformer toys (many of which were more like the $30 range, IIRC)). I had probably 15 or 20 Gobots, never would have been able to have that many Transformers (both for size and cost reasons).

I would assume with the current popularity of the Transformers line of movies, toys, etc., most folks would probably see Gobots as an attempted rip-off of Transformers.  (I do not off the top of my head know the history to know which one was technically "first" to market, and I did not try to look it up)

-Dave

jhz563jhz563OGR Forum Member
Dave45681 posted:
paigetrain posted:

A good selection of starter sets

maybe a Transformers or gi joe or even star wars themed train or why not Gobots

more tier 4 engines this time for lionchief plus

a lionchief bullet train

Star Wars would be great, but even with it's popularity, I wonder the size of the cross section of people who are both Star Wars and train enthusiasts.

I liked Gobots as a kid, primarily because they were for the most part more affordable versions of Transformers.  (the ones I had were all mostly small action figure like (which at the time you could probably buy for under $5 per figure), rather than huge like some the Transformer toys (many of which were more like the $30 range, IIRC)). I had probably 15 or 20 Gobots, never would have been able to have that many Transformers (both for size and cost reasons).

I would assume with the current popularity of the Transformers line of movies, toys, etc., most folks would probably see Gobots as an attempted rip-off of Transformers.  (I do not off the top of my head know the history to know which one was technically "first" to market, and I did not try to look it up)

-Dave

Honestly I think Star Wars would be a great cross over, and have recommended it before.  Lionel already has a basic agreement with Disney of some kind to make all the Mickey mouse related items they already catalog.  I think a transport train with X-wing or tie fighter models partially assembled would be the way to go.  Another option might be partially assembled AT-ST's (the smaller two legged walkers)

I could see a flat car with two crew cabs loaded as well as cars full of legs or feet pieces.  Could be a lot of fun!

Ingeniero No1Ingeniero No1OGR Forum Member
Notch 6 posted:
Ingeniero No1 posted:

I would like to see the production version of the double-gantry, free-standing bridge crane I designed and built a fully functional prototype for Mike five years ago. Every time I ask, I am told it will be soon or next year. I has three axis movement plus on/off power for a magnet when such is used instead of a hook.

Alex

So that's your handy work Alex. Outstanding job! Mike showed me some photos when he was still with L and it appeared to be a very exciting product. It would have made a very nice update to the accessory line. Fingers crossed it still sees the light of day at some point. 

Yes. The prototype was a bit taller than I thought it needed to be, but it was OK. The biggest challenge was controlling the orientation of the hook (due to the long cable), since the little material handlers did not appear to be interested in helping to align it with the load. If Lionel does not intend to offer the crane as a product, I would like to post a video I made of it in operation.

Alex

B brianel_k-lineguyOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER
SIRT posted:

Modelers have moved on past the toy cars to true detailed O along with the electronic advancements of today. No demand for non-scale anymore. You either have it all, look toward more realistic items or are just plain uninformed about all the numerous O variations.

At the last TCA presentation, Ryan Kunkle said that though it does not get nearly the attention the scale line does, it is the starter set traditional line that pays the bills and keeps Lionel in the black.

Of course, you can also repeat to yourself that the world is flat, but that won't change the fact that it's not.

Yes, there is no shortage of train products on the secondary market, much of it traditionally sized. But there have been millions of these kinds of trains made over the last 70 years between Lionel, AMT, Kusan, MARX, K-Line, Williams, Industrial Rail and RMT. The reality is that the overall size of the market has shrunk and there are just larger numbers of trains than there are buyers. Umm, there's also plenty of newer scale trains on the used market too. If some of those are harder to find, it's because their production numbers are so much smaller.

If Lionel totally dropped the scale line of trains tomorrow, it would hurt them, but not put them out of business. If Lionel dropped the traditional starter set line, there would also be no scale trains because there would be no Lionel.

 

 

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SIRTSIRTOGR Forum Member
brianel_k-lineguy posted:
SIRT posted:

Modelers have moved on past the toy cars to true detailed O along with the electronic advancements of today. No demand for non-scale anymore. You either have it all, look toward more realistic items or are just plain uninformed about all the numerous O variations.

At the last TCA presentation, Ryan Kunkle said that though it does not get nearly the attention the scale line does, it is the starter set traditional line that pays the bills and keeps Lionel in the black.

Of course, you can also repeat to yourself that the world is flat, but that won't change the fact that it's not.

Yes, there is no shortage of train products on the secondary market, much of it traditionally sized. But there have been millions of these kinds of trains made over the last 70 years between Lionel, AMT, Kusan, MARX, K-Line, Williams, Industrial Rail and RMT. The reality is that the overall size of the market has shrunk and there are just larger numbers of trains than there are buyers. Umm, there's also plenty of newer scale trains on the used market too. If some of those are harder to find, it's because their production numbers are so much smaller.

If Lionel totally dropped the scale line of trains tomorrow, it would hurt them, but not put them out of business. If Lionel dropped the traditional starter set line, there would also be no scale trains because there would be no Lionel.

 

 

Perhaps so.

I don’t buy new Lionel for re-sale unless it’s the original PS, X31, USRA or GLA series type cars. New car prices are too high along with poor quality issues as of late. New LS production cars look homemade vs. machine production. Too many variations with the new cheap trucks, paint inconsistencies rough and smooth and glue issues by making them one at a time in the US. Reason why 30 dollar cars are now 80 is because companies had to build in a warranty pre re-work cost for all the failures and returns.

IR irish rifleOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
brianel_k-lineguy posted:
SIRT posted:

Modelers have moved on past the toy cars to true detailed O along with the electronic advancements of today. No demand for non-scale anymore. You either have it all, look toward more realistic items or are just plain uninformed about all the numerous O variations.

At the last TCA presentation, Ryan Kunkle said that though it does not get nearly the attention the scale line does, it is the starter set traditional line that pays the bills and keeps Lionel in the black.

Of course, you can also repeat to yourself that the world is flat, but that won't change the fact that it's not.

Yes, there is no shortage of train products on the secondary market, much of it traditionally sized. But there have been millions of these kinds of trains made over the last 70 years between Lionel, AMT, Kusan, MARX, K-Line, Williams, Industrial Rail and RMT. The reality is that the overall size of the market has shrunk and there are just larger numbers of trains than there are buyers. Umm, there's also plenty of newer scale trains on the used market too. If some of those are harder to find, it's because their production numbers are so much smaller.

If Lionel totally dropped the scale line of trains tomorrow, it would hurt them, but not put them out of business. If Lionel dropped the traditional starter set line, there would also be no scale trains because there would be no Lionel.

 

 

With all due deference to Ryan, I question the accuracy of that statement. On the surface, it makes no sense to me, as certainly the higher profit margins would be on the more expensive scale line. If Lionel is selling significantly more starter set traditional line product than scale line product, it could be true, but it's hard to imagine that's the case. Unfortunately, there is no way to know for certain, as Lionel is not a publicly traded company, so its financials are unavailable.  

IR irish rifleOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
SIRT posted:
brianel_k-lineguy posted:
SIRT posted:

Modelers have moved on past the toy cars to true detailed O along with the electronic advancements of today. No demand for non-scale anymore. You either have it all, look toward more realistic items or are just plain uninformed about all the numerous O variations.

At the last TCA presentation, Ryan Kunkle said that though it does not get nearly the attention the scale line does, it is the starter set traditional line that pays the bills and keeps Lionel in the black.

Of course, you can also repeat to yourself that the world is flat, but that won't change the fact that it's not.

Yes, there is no shortage of train products on the secondary market, much of it traditionally sized. But there have been millions of these kinds of trains made over the last 70 years between Lionel, AMT, Kusan, MARX, K-Line, Williams, Industrial Rail and RMT. The reality is that the overall size of the market has shrunk and there are just larger numbers of trains than there are buyers. Umm, there's also plenty of newer scale trains on the used market too. If some of those are harder to find, it's because their production numbers are so much smaller.

If Lionel totally dropped the scale line of trains tomorrow, it would hurt them, but not put them out of business. If Lionel dropped the traditional starter set line, there would also be no scale trains because there would be no Lionel.

 

 

Perhaps so.

I don’t buy new Lionel for re-sale unless it’s the original PS, X31, USRA or GLA series type cars. New car prices are too high along with poor quality issues as of late. New LS production cars look homemade vs. machine production. Too many variations with the new cheap trucks, paint inconsistencies rough and smooth and glue issues by making them one at a time in the US. Reason why 30 dollar cars are now 80 is because companies had to build in a warranty pre re-work cost for all the failures and returns.

My sentiments exactly. Will only buy new old freight and passenger car stock with the die-cast sprung trucks and couplers with hidden uncoupling tabs, because of the cliff drop off in the quality of the new product. On the other hand, I have had good luck with Legacy diesel and steam engines, but I now buy with caution given the significant number of issues that colleagues have been experiencing.  

FM Former Member

I would be very cautious buying anything from Lionel these days.   If you can get over the pricing, there are just too many unknowns to want to get into playing the guessing game with them:

- will the model be what was represented / described in the catalog?

- will the item arrive on time or close to on time?

- will the item arrive intact?

- will the item function out of the box?

- will the item have paint and/or assembly issues?

I'm sure that there are plenty of happy Lionel buyers out there - congrats!  For my money though, I'd rather not gamble with them.  Life is too short to be making trips to UPS to send expensive, brand new purchases back for warranty repairs.  My new Lionel buying days have ended and I have sold off all of my trains.  If I get back into it again, I'm eyeing the MPC-era stuff that I liked as a kid - it's much cheaper, it can be fixed and you know what you are getting.

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Jim R.Jim R.OGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER
irish rifle posted:
brianel_k-lineguy posted:
SIRT posted:

Modelers have moved on past the toy cars to true detailed O along with the electronic advancements of today. No demand for non-scale anymore. You either have it all, look toward more realistic items or are just plain uninformed about all the numerous O variations.

At the last TCA presentation, Ryan Kunkle said that though it does not get nearly the attention the scale line does, it is the starter set traditional line that pays the bills and keeps Lionel in the black.

Of course, you can also repeat to yourself that the world is flat, but that won't change the fact that it's not.

Yes, there is no shortage of train products on the secondary market, much of it traditionally sized. But there have been millions of these kinds of trains made over the last 70 years between Lionel, AMT, Kusan, MARX, K-Line, Williams, Industrial Rail and RMT. The reality is that the overall size of the market has shrunk and there are just larger numbers of trains than there are buyers. Umm, there's also plenty of newer scale trains on the used market too. If some of those are harder to find, it's because their production numbers are so much smaller.

If Lionel totally dropped the scale line of trains tomorrow, it would hurt them, but not put them out of business. If Lionel dropped the traditional starter set line, there would also be no scale trains because there would be no Lionel.

 

 

With all due deference to Ryan, I question the accuracy of that statement. On the surface, it makes no sense to me, as certainly the higher profit margins would be on the more expensive scale line. If Lionel is selling significantly more starter set traditional line product than scale line product, it could be true, but it's hard to imagine that's the case. Unfortunately, there is no way to know for certain, as Lionel is not a publicly traded company, so its financials are unavailable.  

Since Ryan Kunkle knows what Lionel’s numbers are and hobbyists don’t, I’d say Ryan’s comments at the TCA museum presentation are more believable.

The train set market has much higher profit margins than the rest of Lionel’s product line. That I know for certain.

The labor-intensive cost of producing our more upscale locomotives combined with the few number of loyal hobbyists purchasing that equipment is what makes the price so high and the margins so thin on Legacy-level stuff.

SIRTSIRTOGR Forum Member

With low cost commercial 3D printers, I no longer buy the “Tooling cost" excuse anymore.

High priced tools and tool makers are no longer needed today. If you still are doing it the old way, chances are you will not survive in today’s business. When customer’s cars arrive for weathering, I see parts missing or floating around in the box. Many of these are new in the box unopened by the purchaser. Everything is dissembled for painting and I see variations with in the same cars. I have to wonder what kind of so called production is going on. As for Lionel of late, I see issues derived from possibly an inexperienced staff. Maybe they should hire back the good PS designers that were let go?

 My friend called last night and told me the horror stories with the falling off L&N banner on his 500.00  21" passenger set. He had stores check their stock and all the others were the same way. This tells me no one is inspecting the finished product nor was it tested for reliability with time. 

You stick with your favorite restaurant because of consistency. When that changes, you generally move on to another.

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MichaelBMichaelBOGR Forum Member

Hopefully they will bring the new SC-44 locomotives to the table. I personally would like to see them bring the Lionel Amtrak Amfleet End Car back, since the car was designed pretty well for conventional locomotives. But they better have ditch light on it, if they will be bringing it back. Oh and LED interior lights would also be a nice addition.

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rthompsrthompsOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBERMEMORIAL SUPPORTER
VidKidz posted:

I would be very cautious buying anything from Lionel these days.   If you can get over the pricing, there are just too many unknowns to want to get into playing the guessing game with them:

- will the model be what was represented / described in the catalog?

- will the item arrive on time or close to on time?

- will the item arrive intact?

- will the item function out of the box?

- will the item have paint and/or assembly issues?

I'm sure that there are plenty of happy Lionel buyers out there - congrats!  For my money though, I'd rather not gamble with them.  Life is too short to be making trips to UPS to send expensive, brand new purchases back for warranty repairs.  My new Lionel buying days have ended and I have sold off all of my trains.  If I get back into it again, I'm eyeing the MPC-era stuff that I liked as a kid - it's much cheaper, it can be fixed and you know what you are getting.

A good list for the "Big Four" of O Gauge manufacturing.  

I think you probably hit them all - certainly not just Lionel.

T Trainlover9943OGR Forum Member
MichaelB posted:

Hopefully they will bring the new SC-44 locomotives to the table. I personally would like to see them bring the Lionel Amtrak Amfleet End Car back, since the car was designed pretty well for conventional locomotives. But they better have ditch light on it, if they will be bringing it back. Oh and LED interior lights would also be a nice addition.

Legacy in the cab cars would be nice too. 

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D Dj'sOgaugetrainsOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
20centuryhudson posted:

A Duluth missabe and iron range Yellowstone

I have the sunset models DM&IR Yellowstone. It’s an absolute beast! Although I doubt Lionel would make a correct die cast Yellowstone..... maybe they could make a brass hybrid based on their 2-8-8-4 em1 frame.

It would be awesome to see a scale Yellowstone which legacy, whistle steam, & some correctly done 4 car ore car sets coupled with draw bars. 

IC fanIC fanOGR Forum Member

I write similar lists every time for both Lionel and MTH:

Illinois Central GP9 in orange and white

Chicago & Eastern Illinois - freight units such as GP7, GP35, or an SW

Chicago & Eastern Illinois - passenger F3 units with consist

Columbus & Greenville - some type of Geep and matching caboose

Maine Central - GP7/GP9 in green

SIRTSIRTOGR Forum Member
KOOLjock1 posted:

As a kid who got Sheriff & Outlaw and Giraffe Cars with "Lionel Lines" on them, I can tell you that what I really wanted was trains with REAL road names... not some silly licensed fantasy stuff.  Star Wars trains?!  Does that make any kind of sense at all? 

Jon

Agree. 3R's love to burn money on silly stuff I guess.

You wont find that goofy stuff in H.O.

O will never move past its stereotype toy image.

prrhorseshoecurveprrhorseshoecurveOGR Forum Member
SIRT posted:
KOOLjock1 posted:

As a kid who got Sheriff & Outlaw and Giraffe Cars with "Lionel Lines" on them, I can tell you that what I really wanted was trains with REAL road names... not some silly licensed fantasy stuff.  Star Wars trains?!  Does that make any kind of sense at all? 

Jon

Agree. 3R's love to burn money on silly stuff I guess.

You wont find that goofy stuff in H.O.

O will never move past its stereotype toy image.

Oh yeah? What about the "Bradford exchange and their "Star Wars" sets with F7's!

M mlavender480OGR Forum Member
KOOLjock1 posted:

As a kid who got Sheriff & Outlaw and Giraffe Cars with "Lionel Lines" on them, I can tell you that what I really wanted was trains with REAL road names... not some silly licensed fantasy stuff.  Star Wars trains?!  Does that make any kind of sense at all? 

Jon

Agreed.  The only O gauge I have is traditional-size, and even in that I’ve only ever wanted/bought items with “real” road names.  Only exceptions are a Polar Express set and an MTH aquarium car full of penguins...

B breezinupOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
rthomps posted:

The current YouTube presentations are a bit annoying ... but, oh well.

I'm hoping the stock market goes up ... I'll need the money for the Santa Fe gold not to mention the Promontory LionChief+ set. 

One of the best features of that kid's "bit annoying" YouTube presentation was listening to him trying to say "Promontory."  

MikeHMikeHOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBERDIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
breezinup posted:
rthomps posted:

The current YouTube presentations are a bit annoying ... but, oh well.

I'm hoping the stock market goes up ... I'll need the money for the Santa Fe gold not to mention the Promontory LionChief+ set. 

One of the best features of that kid's "bit annoying" YouTube presentation was listening to him trying to say "Promontory."  

That was hilarious.  Also at 4:06 when he breezed past all the Legacy stuff and muttered "if you're an adult, you can still recognize these trains".

paigetrainpaigetrainOGR Forum Member

i wish he would slow down but Lionelville beauro (or however you spell it ) of investigation or LBI is coming to arrest him driving a giant lionchief  police train (that would be cool) my imagination is too wild

buuuut i did pause the video and i swear i saw some LC+ TIER 4s baby wahoo

oh i wanna know what lionchief 2.0 is all about and that blue train

hurry up 23

sadly i'm in class from 11 to 5 probably with a good pile of homework after - thats the college life and having no money too

i hope to get a hard copy to go through and show my friends at school

carsntrainscarsntrainsOGR Forum Member

I saw enough to know folks saying LC and LC+ are the future (like I have been preaching) are 100% right on!  And I too am interested in LC 2.0.   I hate that folks have leaked it already..  A week in advance.  That YouTube video was rough but there is a little bit of info there.  10 pages of legacy and 50 pages of LC-LC+!  

Jim 

MichaelBMichaelBOGR Forum Member
carsntrains posted:

I saw enough to know folks saying LC and LC+ are the future (like I have been preaching) are 100% right on!  And I too am interested in LC 2.0.   I hate that folks have leaked it already..  A week in advance.  That YouTube video was rough but there is a little bit of info there.  10 pages of legacy and 50 pages of LC-LC+!  

Jim 

Shame, looks like Legacy will be put out of production in a few years as a result.

carsntrainscarsntrainsOGR Forum Member
MichaelB posted:
carsntrains posted:

I saw enough to know folks saying LC and LC+ are the future (like I have been preaching) are 100% right on!  And I too am interested in LC 2.0.   I hate that folks have leaked it already..  A week in advance.  That YouTube video was rough but there is a little bit of info there.  10 pages of legacy and 50 pages of LC-LC+!  

Jim 

Shame, looks like Legacy will be put out of production in a few years as a result.

I don't think so.   It will just be able to be controlled with Bluetooth and universal LC controllers.  And hopefully run on DC.  So we can have full control of 3 engines for 39.99.  Or maybe 5 in a few years.  And not have to buy any type of control system.  Sounds amazing doesn't it??  

Jim 

May I add the trouble with communicating with the engine through the rails no longer exists with Bluetooth technology.  And that's a big plus!   The possibilities are endless!!  Everything is Bluetooth now.  Lights, receptacles, speakers, TVs, refrigerators, stoves, work lights, headphones.   Why should model trains be left behind?

 

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T Trainlover9943OGR Forum Member
carsntrains posted:

I saw enough to know folks saying LC and LC+ are the future (like I have been preaching) are 100% right on!  And I too am interested in LC 2.0.   I hate that folks have leaked it already..  A week in advance.  That YouTube video was rough but there is a little bit of info there.  10 pages of legacy and 50 pages of LC-LC+!  

Jim 

Alright now wait a minute, what is LC 2.0? Is it LC/+ items that can run on the legacy remote? 

MichaelBMichaelBOGR Forum Member

Actually I just compared the 2019 catalog to the 2018 one and it turns out that LionCheif is not taking over just yet. If you compare the pictures of the locomotives with a transparent view of the internals, you will notice that they are the pictures for Legacy locomotives.

So the guy in the video was wrong about the sections he called "The Lioncheif Plus stuff." Those sections are actually the Legacy items.

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carsntrainscarsntrainsOGR Forum Member
Trainlover9943 posted:
carsntrains posted:

I saw enough to know folks saying LC and LC+ are the future (like I have been preaching) are 100% right on!  And I too am interested in LC 2.0.   I hate that folks have leaked it already..  A week in advance.  That YouTube video was rough but there is a little bit of info there.  10 pages of legacy and 50 pages of LC-LC+!  

Jim 

Alright now wait a minute, what is LC 2.0? Is it LC/+ items that can run on the legacy remote? 

Don't know yet.    I think its Legacy engines the now run on LC remotes. : ) 

Jim 

carsntrainscarsntrainsOGR Forum Member
MichaelB posted:

Actually I just compared the 2019 catalog to the 2018 one and it turns out that LionCheif is not taking over just yet. If you compare the pictures of the locomotives with a transparent view of the internals, you will notice that they are the pictures for Legacy locomotives.

So the guy in the video was wrong about the sections he called "The Lioncheif Plus stuff." Those sections are actually the Legacy items.

Really I think we wait until the 2019 book can be looked at.  Lots of stuff for everybody in there.  And rolling stock knows no control system!  The kids even win with more Thomas the Train stuff!  CHOOO CHOOO  

Jim 

TS Ted SOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

I didn't see much in the way of new tooling.  Looks like they might have infused the "baby" Berk with LC+ 2.0.  (Personally I would rather have the larger "726" repro that shipped in 2018.)  No traditional-sized K4 or 2037 clone.  The K4 would be easy to do, because under the skin it's pretty similar to the Alaska RR Pacific that was part of the first-generation LC+ locos.  I guess my wallet is safe for another 6 mos!

Jim R.Jim R.OGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER
tom21pa posted:

I'm sure it wasn't supposed to be given out yet, or is a early copy or sumthing

Read the description for his YouTube page. There was a box of catalogs at a Hobbytown, so he grabbed one.

Davety posted:
Jim R. posted:
carsntrains posted:

WHAT!!!   A lionchief plus big boy!!!     HOLY SMOKES!!!!     

I didn’t see anything about LionChief Big Boy. He mentioned a Lionmaster Big Boy.

What you're reading is speculation. Only Executives at Lionel know the end game plan.

Huh? We’re talking about what the kid mentioned as he flipped through the 2019 catalog in the YouTube video. There was no speculating going on. 

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DavetyDavetyOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
Jim R. posted:
tom21pa posted:

I'm sure it wasn't supposed to be given out yet, or is a early copy or sumthing

Read the description for his YouTube page. There was a box of catalogs at a Hobbytown, so he grabbed one.

Davety posted:
Jim R. posted:
carsntrains posted:

WHAT!!!   A lionchief plus big boy!!!     HOLY SMOKES!!!!     

I didn’t see anything about LionChief Big Boy. He mentioned a Lionmaster Big Boy.

What you're reading is speculation. Only Executives at Lionel know the end game plan.

Huh? We’re talking about what the kid mentioned as he flipped through the 2019 catalog in the YouTube video. There was no speculating going on. 

The speculation is regarding what lion chief plus 2.0 is going to be.

Big_Boy_4005Big_Boy_4005OGR Forum Member
carsntrains posted:
MichaelB posted:
carsntrains posted:

I saw enough to know folks saying LC and LC+ are the future (like I have been preaching) are 100% right on!  And I too am interested in LC 2.0.   I hate that folks have leaked it already..  A week in advance.  That YouTube video was rough but there is a little bit of info there.  10 pages of legacy and 50 pages of LC-LC+!  

Jim 

Shame, looks like Legacy will be put out of production in a few years as a result.

I don't think so.   It will just be able to be controlled with Bluetooth and universal LC controllers.  And hopefully run on DC.  So we can have full control of 3 engines for 39.99.  Or maybe 5 in a few years.  And not have to buy any type of control system.  Sounds amazing doesn't it??  

Jim 

May I add the trouble with communicating with the engine through the rails no longer exists with Bluetooth technology.  And that's a big plus!   The possibilities are endless!!  Everything is Bluetooth now.  Lights, receptacles, speakers, TVs, refrigerators, stoves, work lights, headphones.   Why should model trains be left behind?

 

That sounds great, but there have been a few posts recently saying that Bluetooth isn't all it's cracked up to be. It doesn't have the range, and drops the engine frequently. I bought a bunch of them, but I haven't opened any yet. I would love nothing more than to be rid of flakey track signals, but that remains to be seen. If it works on my layout, it'll work anywhere. Fingers crossed!

P.S. I see the cleaning crew came through here earlier today. One of my posts is missing. That's OK, I kept the receipt in the form of an email "like notice". BTW, you missed a spot.

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C&OsteamC&OsteamOGR Forum Member

Being new to the hobby, and realizing how anticipated the catalogues are, I’ve been watching more closely. 

I think it is cute to watch a “kid” leaf through the 2019 Lionel catalogue. It provides insight into how he sees the new offerings. Helps me better understand why the catalogue has so much for kids. Lord knows they must raise up a new crop of customers. 

D DWBaseballOGR Forum Member

I was a Just Trains in DE today, which was by chance because of a business meeting.  I didn't  pick up any of the catalogs because I thought to myself they would be just the old ones I have seen on here before. Now, I am thinking that maybe I saw these sitting there?!?  Ahhh..the thought of having one is killing me now. I'll never know for sure, but I think they should drop the catalog early tomorrow online if dealers are going to have it in stores this weekend.

Let's make it happen Lionel.

...I'm a Pennsy guy through and through, but I might have spotted the Lionchief 0-8-0 in an New York Central flyer set.  Prototypically that switcher and and tender model looks NYC, and not PRR at all,  to me.  I have passed on the holiday deals for the Pennsy flyer set, hoping to see the NYC version soon. So, I'll have my eye on that.  Besides, the Central steamed through the Pine Creek Pennsylvania Grand Canyon to Jersey Shore, which is near my cabin in upstate PA.  

Interested to see what else is new in LC+ but with a new house, hopefully the limited train budget will be dedicated to a....Layout!!!  Which means I also noticed how many accessories are catalogued. 

N NS1975OGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER
Big_Boy_4005 posted:
carsntrains posted:
MichaelB posted:
carsntrains posted:

I saw enough to know folks saying LC and LC+ are the future (like I have been preaching) are 100% right on!  And I too am interested in LC 2.0.   I hate that folks have leaked it already..  A week in advance.  That YouTube video was rough but there is a little bit of info there.  10 pages of legacy and 50 pages of LC-LC+!  

Jim 

Shame, looks like Legacy will be put out of production in a few years as a result.

I don't think so.   It will just be able to be controlled with Bluetooth and universal LC controllers.  And hopefully run on DC.  So we can have full control of 3 engines for 39.99.  Or maybe 5 in a few years.  And not have to buy any type of control system.  Sounds amazing doesn't it??  

Jim 

May I add the trouble with communicating with the engine through the rails no longer exists with Bluetooth technology.  And that's a big plus!   The possibilities are endless!!  Everything is Bluetooth now.  Lights, receptacles, speakers, TVs, refrigerators, stoves, work lights, headphones.   Why should model trains be left behind?

 

That sounds great, but there have been a few posts recently saying that Bluetooth isn't all it's cracked up to be. It doesn't have the range, and drops the engine frequently. I bought a bunch of them, but I haven't opened any yet. I would love nothing more than to be rid of flakey track signals, but that remains to be seen. If it works on my layout, it'll work anywhere. Fingers crossed!

P.S. I see the cleaning crew came through here earlier today. One of my posts is missing. That's OK, I kept the receipt in the form of an email "like notice". BTW, you missed a spot.

I bought two of the new Legacy engines with Bluetooth recently and it was easy to set up without a command set and the engines ran fine. However, I have experienced where the Bluetooth drops and the engines loose signal. You have to reconnect before you can run the engine again. On my two locomotives the RPM levels do not change from idle when using only Bluetooth or the Universal remote. As the train goes around you hear sounds but not appropriate for the speed it is going. There is no brake sounds, there is no halt function and if the engine is turned on for smoke and you want to turn it off with the app, it goes back to smoke when you start up the engine again. You can't quill the horn either. Just to name a few of the things I have dealt with so far.

I personally decided to get the Legacy Cab 1l Command Set and it is amazing how much better it is to run the Legacy engines. They start smoother, run smoother and you get all the sounds you could ask for. I know people who have always used Legacy are probably thinking well of course it's better but I got into Legacy engines thinking I could skip the command set as advertised, and I have discovered that is definitely not the way to go. You can get a Cab 1l set for about $200 now. I picked it because it was less complicated to use than the more expensive command set. 

I think Lionel is trying sell people on the idea you can do just fine without the command set and maybe some will be happy that way, but if you are going to spend $500 - $2,000 on each engine you might as well get the most out the product.

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