Random Photos of Trolley Cars

WftTrains posted:

jim pastorius posted:

Yes, and Pittsburgh too !  Pgh had the most of any city and kept none !  There is a stationary PCC in the Heinz History Center and one that runs(I think) at the trolley museum near Washington, Pa. The PCCs ran forever and  they have bought replacements for them several times over.

Hi Jim:

Yes indeed we had the most PCC cars in service in the USA in Pittsburgh for many years but unfortunately not the most ever of any US city.  Before we hear from a Chicago member we were second to Chicago who had purchased just 17 more PCC cars than our total fleet of 666 PCC cars.  However, the Chicago PCC streetcars had a relatively short career because in 1947 as their last order of PCC cars was arriving the decision was made to start replacing trolley lines with busses!  It took 11 years to complete the conversion as the last Chicago PCC streetcar was taken out of service in 1958.  Some of the newest PCC cars which were purchased early in 1947 barely had 10 years of operating time.  OTOH, essentially all of Pittsburgh’s 666 PCC’s were still in service in 1958 (notable exceptions were the 14 PCC’s destroyed by fire at the Homewood Car Barn in 1955).  So it’s safe to say we had the largest operating PCC fleet system in the USA from 1958 and many years thereafter.

Across the border in Canada, Toronto had more PCC’s than Pittsburgh or Chicago with 745 although they bought 205 of them used from Birmingham, Cincinnati, Cleveland & Kansas City when those cities abandoned streetcars.

That surviving car at the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum in “Little Washington” you mentioned is Pittsburgh Railways #1711 which is operational and there are also 3 other Pittsburgh PCC’s at the Museum including the last PCC to operate in revenue service in Pittsburgh in 1999 - PAT car #4004 which was a rebuilt 1700-series PCC, and it is also in operating condition.  There are, or were, 2 other static Pittsburgh PCC cars sitting outdoors that I know of, one in Bethel Park and one at the PAT South Hills Village Station near the Mall. 

And in response to Mitch’s posting, there are two former PTC/SEPTA PCC’s at the Museum, one of which is operational as seen in the attached photo with yours truly at the controls in 2011. 

Bill

Bill,

     What are the 3 PCC cars under wraps behind the old car barn? Parts or unlisted on the roster?

WftTrains posted:

jim pastorius posted:

Yes, and Pittsburgh too !  Pgh had the most of any city and kept none !  There is a stationary PCC in the Heinz History Center and one that runs(I think) at the trolley museum near Washington, Pa. The PCCs ran forever and  they have bought replacements for them several times over.

Hi Jim:

Yes indeed we had the most PCC cars in service in the USA in Pittsburgh for many years but unfortunately not the most ever of any US city.  Before we hear from a Chicago member we were second to Chicago who had purchased just 17 more PCC cars than our total fleet of 666 PCC cars.  However, the Chicago PCC streetcars had a relatively short career because in 1947 as their last order of PCC cars was arriving the decision was made to start replacing trolley lines with busses!  It took 11 years to complete the conversion as the last Chicago PCC streetcar was taken out of service in 1958.  Some of the newest PCC cars which were purchased early in 1947 barely had 10 years of operating time.  OTOH, essentially all of Pittsburgh’s 666 PCC’s were still in service in 1958 (notable exceptions were the 14 PCC’s destroyed by fire at the Homewood Car Barn in 1955).  So it’s safe to say we had the largest operating PCC fleet system in the USA from 1958 and many years thereafter.

Across the border in Canada, Toronto had more PCC’s than Pittsburgh or Chicago with 745 although they bought 205 of them used from Birmingham, Cincinnati, Cleveland & Kansas City when those cities abandoned streetcars.

That surviving car at the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum in “Little Washington” you mentioned is Pittsburgh Railways #1711 which is operational and there are also 3 other Pittsburgh PCC’s at the Museum including the last PCC to operate in revenue service in Pittsburgh in 1999 - PAT car #4004 which was a rebuilt 1700-series PCC, and it is also in operating condition.  There are, or were, 2 other static Pittsburgh PCC cars sitting outdoors that I know of, one in Bethel Park and one at the PAT South Hills Village Station near the Mall. 

And in response to Mitch’s posting, there are two former PTC/SEPTA PCC’s at the Museum, one of which is operational as seen in the attached photo with yours truly at the controls in 2011. 

Bill

Bill,

     What are the 3 PCC cars under wraps behind the old car barn? Parts or unlisted on the roster?

 

Never mind: looks like cars 24, 1711 and 2723?

IRM circa 2001:

Rusty

Greg Nagy posted:

WftTrains posted:

jim pastorius posted:

Yes, and Pittsburgh too !  Pgh had the most of any city and kept none !  There is a stationary PCC in the Heinz History Center and one that runs(I think) at the trolley museum near Washington, Pa. The PCCs ran forever and  they have bought replacements for them several times over.

Hi Jim:

Yes indeed we had the most PCC cars in service in the USA in Pittsburgh for many years but unfortunately not the most ever of any US city.  Before we hear from a Chicago member we were second to Chicago who had purchased just 17 more PCC cars than our total fleet of 666 PCC cars.  However, the Chicago PCC streetcars had a relatively short career because in 1947 as their last order of PCC cars was arriving the decision was made to start replacing trolley lines with busses!  It took 11 years to complete the conversion as the last Chicago PCC streetcar was taken out of service in 1958.  Some of the newest PCC cars which were purchased early in 1947 barely had 10 years of operating time.  OTOH, essentially all of Pittsburgh’s 666 PCC’s were still in service in 1958 (notable exceptions were the 14 PCC’s destroyed by fire at the Homewood Car Barn in 1955).  So it’s safe to say we had the largest operating PCC fleet system in the USA from 1958 and many years thereafter.

Across the border in Canada, Toronto had more PCC’s than Pittsburgh or Chicago with 745 although they bought 205 of them used from Birmingham, Cincinnati, Cleveland & Kansas City when those cities abandoned streetcars.

That surviving car at the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum in “Little Washington” you mentioned is Pittsburgh Railways #1711 which is operational and there are also 3 other Pittsburgh PCC’s at the Museum including the last PCC to operate in revenue service in Pittsburgh in 1999 - PAT car #4004 which was a rebuilt 1700-series PCC, and it is also in operating condition.  There are, or were, 2 other static Pittsburgh PCC cars sitting outdoors that I know of, one in Bethel Park and one at the PAT South Hills Village Station near the Mall. 

And in response to Mitch’s posting, there are two former PTC/SEPTA PCC’s at the Museum, one of which is operational as seen in the attached photo with yours truly at the controls in 2011. 

Bill

Bill,

     What are the 3 PCC cars under wraps behind the old car barn? Parts or unlisted on the roster?

 

Never mind: looks like cars 24, 1711 and 2723?

Greg,

I agree with you on Septa #24 & 2723 but #1711 is in PTM's operating fleet and is stored indoors.  Chances are that 3rd one is PAT PCC #1799 (× PRC 1613).  I had forgotten about that car which means there are 5 Pittsburgh PCC's at the PA Trolley Museum, not 4 as I had posted above.  Also #24 has much of the PCC styling but is actually not a PCC.  BTW, there is also one more PCC at the PTM, it's Shaker Heights (Cleveland) #94, the only Pullman-built of the 8 PCC's at the museum.

Bill

Glad to hear the trolley museum has so many. I smile every time I see a photo of a nice PCC car. Just a beautiful classic design and so successful. I wish more things were that way.

NYS Rwys Utica Lines Construction Crane Trolley on the New Hartford Loop in 1935

 

 

Trolley cars to the beaches.

Delaware????

Brighton Beach, BrooklynAtlantic City Shore Fast Line cars

As an avid student of Atlantic City trolleys, I appreciate the Shore Fast Line pics especially! 

Mitch

Have an Atlantic City time capsule from December, 1940 celebrating the new Brilliners! 

Mitch

Portland Street RR Trolley Sand Car

Trolley cars in the barns.Third Avenue Railway, New York City

St. Charles Line, New Orleans

San Francisco, 1917Somewhere In The EastChampaign, Illinois

The photo you have marked as San Francisic is the Market Street Railway's Elkton shops.  It was located at the corner of Geneva and San Jose Avenues until about 1976. It was built as a temporary facility after the 1906 earthquake and fire. Clearly shown in the photo was the monorail crane that ran around the shop. It had a very small cab where the operator sat. I believe it is still in existence. There was no AC power in Elkton until very late.  Just to the right of the photo was a 550 to 250 volt DC motor generator to provide power for the machines. There were many machines still powered by 250 VDC when the shop closed. The shop was very complete with a machine shop, blacksmith shop, foundry, wood mill and motor shop.  Many cars were built complete there.  In later years all the cable cars were rebuilt here. When I spent time there the bays were filled with PCC cars.  Best part of Elkton was it had a basement. Never know what you might find there. 

The photo marked some where in the east in interesting.  Fairly modern building and crane. Looks like a Boston PCC on the left. I do not recognize the other cars. I wounder if it is Brookville Locomotive Works. 

"Somewhere In The East" is the Trolley Graveyard in PA.

http://www.atlasobscura.com/pl...r-trolley-grave-yard

M. Mitchell Marmel posted:

"Somewhere In The East" is the Trolley Graveyard in PA.

http://www.atlasobscura.com/pl...r-trolley-grave-yard

Mitch:

Are you sure?  I thought the cars stored at Windber were only PCC’s and were all stored outdoors but Bobby’s photo shows an indoor barn with mostly non-PCC’s.

Bill

No, there's also some rapid transit cars rotting in the woods and the one barn where a lucky few cars are under shelter. 

Metka thinks the bloody things are solid gold and is demanding something like a million bucks apiece. 

M. Mitchell Marmel posted:

No, there's also some rapid transit cars rotting in the woods and the one barn where a lucky few cars are under shelter. 

Metka thinks the bloody things are solid gold and is demanding something like a million bucks apiece. 

This guy has 6 complete 2 car sets of the early flat door CTA 6000 series rapid transit cars. What a crying shame he is letting them rot.

Back in the forties, fifties and sixties my mother liked to shop in Johnstown, PA. Johnstown was just 24 miles from Homer City. Penn Traffic was her favorite store and I always loved looking at the train displays at Christmas. Here are some pictures of trolleys from Johnstown.

jim sutter posted:

Back in the forties, fifties and sixties my mother liked to shop in Johnstown, PA. Johnstown was just 24 miles from Homer City. Penn Traffic was her favorite store and I always loved looking at the train displays at Christmas. Here are some pictures of trolleys from Johnstown.

Jimmy:

Great photos!  Thanks for posting.  Car #350 in your 4^th photo is stored indoors at the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum in “Little Washington” and preserved in virtually the same condition as it was in its last days of service in Johnstown. 

Another source of good photos of Johnstown trolleys is the Morning Sun Book “Pennsylvania Trolleys, Volume III, The Pittsburgh Region” by Bill Volkmer.  The book also has a map of the Johnstown Traction Company routes along with many photos of the trolley busses and diesel busses which replaced the streetcars.  In fact, there’s a later photo of that same scene as in your second photo except it shows busses instead of a streetcar.  The first time I ever saw a trolley bus was in Johnstown as a kid. 

Unlike the streetcar systems in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia which used “Pennsylvania Wide Gauge”, Johnstown’s track was standard railroad gauge.  And Johnstown was the smallest US City to operate PCC’s with a fleet of 17 PCC cars built by St. Louis Car Company in 1947.  They didn’t have a very long career though as the last day of streetcar service in Johnstown was June 11, 1960.

Bill

M. Mitchell Marmel posted:

No, there's also some rapid transit cars rotting in the woods and the one barn where a lucky few cars are under shelter. 

Metka thinks the bloody things are solid gold and is demanding something like a million bucks apiece. 

OK, thanks for clearing that up as my reference source only discussed the PCC's stored outdoors.

Bill   

SEPTA Independence Hall

IT Class B

 

Illinois Terminal Trolley

PRT Strikers Burn Trolley....

 

 

mwb posted:

PRT Strikers Burn Trolley....

 

 

According to Harold E. Cox's "Early Electric Cars Of Philadelphia 1885-1911", that was 1471, a 20-foot single truck Laclede closed car built for Philadelphia Traction Company in 1895, burned at 5th and Allegheny on 20 February 1910.

Mitch

The Dayton, Covington & Piqua Railway of Ohio

The picture above is the inspiration for this mural which is at the same intersection today, Main Street & Union Road, Englewood, Ohio.

I have a fascination with interurbans like these. In the days of the interurban, Ohio and Indiana were the king states for these cars.

First Cars On The Detroit, Almont & Northern Railway, Almont , Michigan, July 1914Niles Built Cars @ Norwalk Interurban Station 1909. Perhaps Lake Shore Electric Co.?????First Passenger Interurban to Bellefontaine, Ohio on July 1, 1908

Union Traction Interurban No. 407 in Wabash, Indiana

PRT Work car W-15......need a real under the floor drive (Q-Car?) to build a model of this car....

Bobby Ogage posted:

I have a fascination for the trolley lines that operated in Saratoga, New York. A few weeks ago I visited the old trolley depot which still stands in excellent condition, in use as the visitors center. Around the back of the building, the original canopies that the trolley cars entered still stand. After searching for a long time, I finally found a picture of the depot with trolley cars.

The trolley cars in the pictures belong to the Hudson Valley Railway and the Schenectady Railway Co.

It appears the photos of the depot were taken from Franklin, between Congress Street and West Circular Drive. Cars from this depot went north to Wilton, Glen Falls and Lake George, southwest to Ballston Spa and Schenectady, south to the Albany Capital District and Troy. There were branch lines to the race track and Kandeross Park.

Perhaps a local railroader can shed some info about this trolley depot. Below are some of the cars that ran into the Saratoga Depot.

...

Bobby Ogage,

I dug up my Saratoga maps and brochures but couldn't locate my architecture books. Sadly, the brochures have no photos but here's some historical information paraphrased from an undated packet I picked up at the "Urban Cultural Park" a/k/a the Trolley Station -- maybe in the 1980's? 90's?

It was built in 1915 for the Hudson Valley Railway Co.  It is a stucco building in the Beaux Arts style and was designed by Ludlow  & Peabody, NYC.  (The leaflet goes on to describe the columns and ceilings.)

Bas-relief murals on the front show Sir William Johnson, who legend says was cured at High Rock Spring, and the surrender of General John Burgoyne in 1777.   By 1915, the Saratoga Springs trolley system "had already reached its zenith" with 35 trips daily from 1914-16.  A belt-line service existed on the east-side of the city and other routes went to Glens Falls and Schenectady. The most popular trip was to Kaydeross Park at Saratoga Lake. The trolley co had a restaurant, pool, merry-go-round, casino, and theater.  Local routes were abandoned after 1926 (rise in autos) but service to Schenectady run until 1941.

When you were visiting the building perhaps you saw the "chestnut benches, brass chandeliers and trolley platform area".  In 1941, NY State converted the building into a 'drink hall' where the state sold bottled mineral waters from a bar. I don't remember whether the murals are still there (yes?), but apparently the electric icebox behind the bar was still present when I visited.  Another brochure says that the drink hall continued into the 1950s.  That brochure also says that the building "Began as a trolley station in 1776".  Uh, right ...

One of the larger maps that I have shows what looks like a spur from the Delaware & Hudson from the line to the west of the city going very near the trolley station.

Tomlinson Run Railroad

Thanks for the history of the trolley station in Saratoga Springs. The Delaware & Hudson Railroad gave trackage rights to the Schenectady Railway to access the Saratoga Springs station, so this explains the siding.

Some color photos of trolley cars.

Atlanta Georgia, 1940

M&SC @ Montreal's McGill Street TerminalMemphis, Tennessee 1979Philadelphia & Western Car @ Penn's Landing, 1990

Current Picture of Car In Philadelphia, Pa

Car In Philadelphia, PaThird Avenue Railway Car in Kennebunk Museum

Lets see your color photos of street cars and interurbans.

Bobby Ogage posted:

Some color photos of trolley cars.

Car In Pittsburgh, Pa

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Hi Bobby:

Nice photos but are you sure that Route 79 green & white car #4043 is from “Pittsburgh, PA”?  If so, can you please provide more info on it?

Thanks,

Bill

WftTrains posted:

Bobby Ogage posted:

Some color photos of trolley cars.

Car In Pittsburgh, Pa

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Hi Bobby:

Nice photos but are you sure that Route 79 green & white car #4043 is from “Pittsburgh, PA”?  If so, can you please provide more info on it?

Thanks,

Bill

He (Bobby) is incorrect.  That is a Philadelphia PA., 4000 series streetcar of the Phila. Transportation Company (see the PTC Logo on car side under 2nd window) on route 79 in the early to mid 1950's "simplified modernized" paint scheme.

 

Seems more people post and look at photos on this endless thread of all these various prototype trolleys than actually do any hands-on construction and modeling of trolleys - and posting their photos of such modeling efforts, in this subways-traction forum section !!

regards - Joe F

 

 

 

 

 

Joseph Frank posted:

WftTrains posted:

Bobby Ogage posted:

Some color photos of trolley cars.

Car In Pittsburgh, Pa

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Hi Bobby:

Nice photos but are you sure that Route 79 green & white car #4043 is from “Pittsburgh, PA”?  If so, can you please provide more info on it?

Thanks,

Bill

Bill

Bill, he is incorrect.  That is a Philadelphia PA., 4000 series streetcar of the Phila. Transportation Company (see the PTC Logo on car side under 2nd window) on route 79 in the early to mid 1950's "simplified modernized" paint scheme.

 

Seems more people post and look at photos on this endless thread of all these various prototype trolleys than actually do any hands-on construction and modeling of trolleys - and posting their photos of such modeling efforts, in this subways-traction forum section !!

regards - Joe F 

Joe: 

Thanks for confirming what I thought as that car didn’t look familiar at all to this Pittsburgh streetcar enthusiast. 

Bill

Here is some info on the Third Avenue car #631 from the Kennebunkport Seashore Trolley Museum:

"...A number of the relatively new cars were sent to the rescue of the ravaged Vienna System under the Marshall Plan for the rebuilding of wartorn Western Europe. They served well on what is today one of the world's largest operating streetcar systems. No. 631, built in 1939 and renumbered 4216 in Vienna, came home to America and Seashore after new cars built in Austria began service in 1980." 

Technical Information:

Manufacturer: Third Ave. Ry. Co.
Year: 1939
Item Type: City and Suburban Streetcar
Description: Lightweight

Operation: Double-ended

Seats: 46

Control: K-35 (LB)

Trucks: 2 Brill 77E

Motors: 4 Westinghouse 510A

Brakes: Self Lapping

Compressor: CP-27

Length: 42' 7"

Width: 8' 4"

Height: 11' 4"

Weight: 37540 lbs.

 

Tom 

WftTrains posted:

Joseph Frank posted:

WftTrains posted:

Bobby Ogage posted:

Some color photos of trolley cars.

Car In Pittsburgh, Pa

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Hi Bobby:

Nice photos but are you sure that Route 79 green & white car #4043 is from “Pittsburgh, PA”?  If so, can you please provide more info on it?

Thanks,

Bill

Bill

Bill, he is incorrect.  That is a Philadelphia PA., 4000 series streetcar of the Phila. Transportation Company (see the PTC Logo on car side under 2nd window) on route 79 in the early to mid 1950's "simplified modernized" paint scheme.

 

Seems more people post and look at photos on this endless thread of all these various prototype trolleys than actually do any hands-on construction and modeling of trolleys - and posting their photos of such modeling efforts, in this subways-traction forum section !!

regards - Joe F 

Joe: 

Thanks for confirming what I thought as that car didn’t look familiar at all to this Pittsburgh streetcar enthusiast. 

Bill

I fixed the caption to a Philadelphia car. Thanks for the correction.

PRT Work Car Z-8

Maintenance cars.

Chicago, Aurora & Elgin Line Car 11

Milwaukee Electric Ry & Transport Co

Replacing Trolley Wire On The Hagerstown & Frederick In Maryland

 

PRT Emergency Car K-5

P&W Dump Car

Hershey Transit Construction Car 1933

I went to Hershey for many years to attend the AACA Hershey Region's car show, but I didn't take the time to investigate the Hershey Transit System. So today I did some research and these are photos I found. The Hershey trolley cars were painted a deep olive green and pale yellow.

Altoona & Logan Valley work flat motor

Wisconsin Traction Light, Heat & Power Co. of Appleton, WI Work flat with a load of gravel........and a few of the lads

Here are a few shots and a video from the Trolley Museum in Washington County PA...

Hey Google Image Searcher...I took these...saved you some time.

This Canadian tram is interesting in that it has no headlights. Some Canadian trams have a horizontal shield in front (you can see it on 1959 here) concealing a dozen tiny lightbulbs shining down at the track.

Wisconsin Traction Light, Heat & Power Co. of Appleton, WI Work flat

Thanks for the diagrams and info. I have a question for the trolley experts. The Pittsburgh PCC cars  had a long metal piece between the wheels that slid along just above the top of the rail. I was told year go that this was an electromagnetic brake that would clamp on the top of the rail. True ??

Yes. That was a track brake that could be lowered against the rail in an emergency.

The sliding brake between the wheels was also a primary service brake on some city trolley cars.

From repeated stopping at car stops, the rails would get bumpy from wear. This is one reason why trolley companies had rail grinders. Another reason was to smooth flash welds at rail joints.

 

Line car and a car with a load of ties

Oneonta, New York was a significant interurban hub borne out by the fact that many railways had Oneonta in the names. Here are some images of Oneonta rolling stock of the Oneonta, Cooperstown & Mohawk Valley, and the Oneonta & Mohawk Valley.

I am puzzled by the "United States Express" logo on the cars. Did tis mean they carried the US Mail?

Bobby Ogage posted:

I am puzzled by the "United States Express" logo on the cars. Did tis mean they carried the US Mail?

Yup!  And/or REA - Railway Express Agency 

Prior to World War One there were many regonal express companies. During the war they were consolidated into a single company and were run by the government, just like the railroads were. But at the end of the war, unlike the railroads, the express companies  were left consolidated under the name American Railway Express.  ARE went bankrupt within about 10 years and was sold by the bankruptcy court. It was purchased by a group of railroads and renamed Railway Express Agency. When you see names on cars like United States Express, this in an indication that the picture is from prior to WW1, when the express companies were consolidated. 

Single end dump car

That single end dump car could be made from an MTH Rail King operating log dump car.

Bobby Ogage posted:

That single end dump car could be made from an MTH Rail King operating log dump car.

 

Decent enough bit of raw materials to get a start with - have to scratch together that cab.

Or..........you could just start with the Ashland or Copetown kit. 

Building the car might be the easiest bit - a fully under the floor drive might be a bit of a challenge - 2 rail ones from Q-car will work, but 3-rail is something else....

"Building the car might be the easiest bit - a fully under the floor drive might be a bit of a challenge - 2 rail ones from Q-car will work, but 3-rail is something else...." NWSL Stanton drive

rex desilets posted:

 

NWSL Stanton drive

But, where do you get the sideframes and will this drive even accept them?

Seen in the Pittsburgh Rwys Castle Shannon Car Yard

mwb posted:

rex desilets posted:

 

NWSL Stanton drive

But, where do you get the sideframes and will this drive even accept them?

Q Car no longer sells sideframes?
How about their unpowered trucks?

Combining is an exercise left to the student.

rex desilets posted:

mwb posted:

rex desilets posted:

 

NWSL Stanton drive

But, where do you get the sideframes and will this drive even accept them?

Q Car no longer sells sideframes?
How about their unpowered trucks?

Combining is an exercise left to the student.

Quentin stopped selling sideframes several years ago.   Stopped selling most if not all components for trucks. 

I guess you can still get assembled trucks (not sure...) and disassemble them for the parts.

Still, mating them to that drive is an unknown. So, get to work on that and let us all know how it turns out now, will you?

 

mwb posted:

rex desilets posted:

mwb posted:

rex desilets posted:

 

NWSL Stanton drive

But, where do you get the sideframes and will this drive even accept them?

Q Car no longer sells sideframes?
How about their unpowered trucks?

Combining is an exercise left to the student.

Quentin stopped selling sideframes several years ago.   Stopped selling most if not all components for trucks. 

I guess you can still get assembled trucks (not sure...) and disassemble them for the parts.
Correspondence with Quentin indicated

Still, mating them to that drive is an unknown.

Quote from catalog: "The rigid plastic body is made from ABS, allowing you to glue, drill and tap, or otherwise attach what you’ve got."
Also, there's the NWSL Flea, which would fit into any truck.

So, get to work on that and let us all know how it turns out now, will you?
Way, way down in my queue. Besides, you're the trolley maven. I'm just a wannabe.

 

 

rex desilets posted:

mwb posted:

rex desilets posted:

mwb posted:

rex desilets posted:

 

NWSL Stanton drive

But, where do you get the sideframes and will this drive even accept them?

Q Car no longer sells sideframes?
How about their unpowered trucks?

Combining is an exercise left to the student.

Quentin stopped selling sideframes several years ago.   Stopped selling most if not all components for trucks. 

I guess you can still get assembled trucks (not sure...) and disassemble them for the parts.
Correspondence with Quentin indicated

Still, mating them to that drive is an unknown.

Quote from catalog: "The rigid plastic body is made from ABS, allowing you to glue, drill and tap, or otherwise attach what you’ve got."
Also, there's the NWSL Flea, which would fit into any truck.

So, get to work on that and let us all know how it turns out now, will you?
Way, way down in my queue. Besides, you're the trolley maven. I'm just a wannabe.

 

 

Last I looked you could still order entire trucks from Quentin; just have not looked nor needed any parts for any project. 

ABS is not a plastic that is all that friendly but it is workable -- what I was questioning more was the wheelbase of the sideframes vs. the drive's.

And my kits for the Difco differential dump cars are slowly rising to the front of the project queue, but fortunately for me I already have the Q-car drives in hand for those cars,

I've got 4 different trolley projects on my work benches right now, and when they are done and written up, then it's back to freight cars for a while; got a stack of styrene air slide hoppers to restore, rebuild and just build......and then sell them all off.  

Single Truck Oil or water sprinkler car

Carrying a few new poles for the line........

 

So a fellow buys some buildings in El Cajon a few years back, but not just any buildings. Under the vinyl siding and sheet rock, the main structure consists of the last three San Diego Class 1 streetcars known to exist.

Designed in 1910 and built by the St. Louis Car company, these were the first double truck streetcars on the San Diego Electric Railway. They were built to carry passengers to the Panama Exposition in what is now Balboa Park.
After they were retired, many were used to make affordable houses. One house, built of the three streetcars, survived. Under the covering, the gold leaf and cherry trim was beautifully preserved.
More info is here: http://sandiegohistoricstreetcars.org/

Pittsburgh Railways M517, one of two work cars used for weed killing, at the South Hills yard.

(R Hill photo courtesy the Ken Josephson collection on newdavesrailpix.com)

Bill

 

 

These are rail grinders, the old and the somewhat new.

Dump Car with load of dirt and then dumping it......

mwb posted:

Dump Car with load of dirt and then dumping it......

This is actually the first time I've seen a Differential Dump Car doing what it was designed to do, i.e dump loads from either side of the car!

Neato!

Mitch

I have two Standard gauge #218 dump cars that do that. They are heavy !!

Trolleys on Main Street, Memphis, TN:

Tomlinson Run Railroad

And here’s another type of dump car built by the Differential Car Company.  This car dumps directly downward (like a hopper car) and is used for spreading ballast along private trolley right-of-ways.  This car was originally built for the Boston Elevated Railway in 1927 and was acquired by the Pennsylvania Trolley Museum in 1974. 

It was restored by the PTM and still serves its original purpose as shown in the attached photo being loaded with ballast during construction of PTM’s Redman Wye trackage a few years ago.  And if that name sounds familiar, that trackage was named for that very same Lou Redman, a co-founder of the PTM as well as a founding member of the TCA.

(Photo courtesy of the PTM website)

Bill

Third Avenue Railway Differential car co side dump. Built from old Miller car co kit. Q Car trucks and motors. The kits are still to be found in the usual places if you look.

Nate posted:

Third Avenue Railway Differential car co side dump. Built from old Miller car co kit. Q Car trucks and motors. The kits are still to be found in the usual places if you look.

Nice looking model!

Well-dressed passengers in 1892 pose with "The Seminole", a streetcar in Tampa, Florida.  But without a trolley pole, it must have been horse-drawn back in those days.

Bill

 

 

Crane flat motor......

Cincinnati Fort William Electric Railway

Lulu Island - Euburne Railway

Wilkes-Barre Pa Rwy Snow Blower 030

Lake Shore Electric???Lake Shore Electric????

Norristown, Lehigh Valley????Missoula Montana?????????Walla_Walla?????Baltimore

2 Truck oil motor..........

Rhode Island had a significant trolley car system.#61 is a 29 foot, 30 seat single truck car built by Jones in 1893 with open platforms

#1070 WAS A 41-FOOT CAR BUILT BY BRADLEY IN 1911

#1699 WAS A 30-FOOT SINGLE TRUCK SAFETY CAR BUILT BY BRADLEY IN 1922

AT RIVERSIDE IN 1910 ON LINE TO CRESCENT PARK AMUSEMENT PARK

BROAD STREET CAR HOUSE AT THURBERS AVENUE, PROVIDENCE

EAST SIDE TUNNEL UNDER The Rhode Island School of Design, COLLEGE HILL, PROVIDENCE

50 UER CARS WERE SOLD TO CAPITAL TRANSIT OF WASHINGTON, D.C. IN 1940KENT HEIGHTS ON FOX POINT BOULEVARD, PROVIDENCE

RHODE ISLAND 2113 IS A 41 FOOT LONG SAFETY CAR

FJ&G snow sweeper.......  Winter is coming!

Another on the FJ&G

Some random images of trolley cars.

Denver trolley car on Casper Mountain, Colorado

Southington, MontanaSyracuse, New YorkWellsburg, New York

Scranton Rwys sweeper 107

Lehigh Valley Transit Line car R2.........wish I had a 3/4 view from the other end!

Lehigh Vallet Transit Sweeper and Sand Car 524

On the Chambersburg and Gettysburg line....two trolleys leaving the car barn in Chambersburg, PA

C & G Trolley in Chambersburg, PA

While I was in North Carolina recently, I took these photos at the transportation museum.

 

Is that the museum in Spencer ??

jim pastorius posted:

Is that the museum in Spencer ??

Yes, it is Jim. I recently went there to escape Irma and decided to turn this into a vacation. My family knows that I love trains and said that I should visit the North Carolina Transportation Museum in Spencer. That was a great suggestion and I also had to visit the Old Smoke Pit BBQ nearby.

I thought I recognized it. I was there last summer with my son and we spent several hours  there. My son suffered a stroke and was using a walker so that made it  tough to get around. I am staying in the Raleigh area now but on the east side. The trip to Spencer is pretty long or I would be there more often. Hard to find a train around here. My son can't swallow so no BBQ or even a visit to the hobby shop.

Jim, So sorry to hear about your son's health problems, I wish him all the best.

C&G Trolley at Caledonia Park from Chambersburg in 1904

Odd trucks on that one...?

rex desilets posted:

Odd trucks on that one...?

Indeed they are, and also I have no idea what kind they are either.

Could be St. Louis Car Co.  trucks, though I'm willing to be told different. 

Mitch