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@Mark Boyce posted:

Lee, that is a great idea!  Very nice car!  Lots of folks have Santa Fe.  As an Appalachian railroad modeler, I’m afraid I have nothing to contribute!

CSX  ,  BP ,  PENNSY ,  B&O  and  C&O  here.............but ever since seing a video of a real SF on Pennsylvania rails I  had to succumb to the call of the Premier plated F7s .

( even cast my cash in for some Premier UP F7s and the gray 4-8-4  😶 )

...........never looked back

@Ron H posted:

Custom detailed ATSF Alco PA with scratch built brass pilot, detailed trucks and proper radio antenna. Did a post on detailing a Lionel ABA set years ago

Ron,  this is still one of my favorite clips of the ATSF PA's.   The three plumes of smoke are spectacular!  You should consider making a new feature video of this locomotive in a realistic setting for everyone to see sometime. Your 'scale' track is terrific too. In looking at Erik's 2 rail layout and your track I realize that 2 rail is probably in my future if I stay with the hobby down the line. The lower profile track is SO much better visually as it gives the effect of making our models appear more massive like the prototypes.

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As you can tell by my OGR name I'm a Western Pacific fan, the company that struggled up until UP bought them in 1983. But, I'm also a huge AT&SF fan, with two ABA sets of Santa Fe WarBonnet paint schemes. One day I'd like to have a F3/F7 Blue and Yellow WarBonnet! The photo is of #18 TMCC AA set with added B unit from the Lionel 2004 catalog. It's pulling the Semi Scale Chief set of passenger cars.

This Santa Fe WarBonnet paint scheme caboose was made by Lionel for LOTS. I purchased it from a LOTS member. The interior is complete with cabinets and tables.

Semi Scale Chief Dome Car. I added figures in all the passenger cars. I even have a guy sitting on the throne in one of the bathrooms! :-) Yes, the figures pants are down around his ankles, and little kids see that and just start laughing out loud! I love it! I'll spare you from a photo of that as it may not be acceptable in this forum.

Here's a couple of Menard's trucks in Santa Fe WarBonnet paint. These are lighted trucks.

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@lee drennen : Lee really neat Alco freight cab unit...I saw on another thread how you made this one and it looks great. Fabulous pictures everyone, GG1Guy that is quite a display ... but where are the GG1's??

Here are a couple of Santa Fe switchers for you all:

Here is the Marx 1998  Alco S3 switcher made between 1955 and 1962 in two color schemes.  First the more common maroon and yellow, shown here with a MOPAC (note lee!) cattle car and an empty auto rack.

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Here is the same locomotive in the much less common but likely more prototypical black and white livery.

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. Fabulous pictures everyone, GG1Guy that is quite a display ... but where are the GG1's??

Not quite on topic for this thread, but the GG1s?

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Not pictured are my Vision Line 4877 and Weaver PC version.

Forgot the HO and N ones too:

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Back on topic with some more ATSF with 3rd Rail E6s:

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GG14877...WOW!! You weren't kidding, that is some collection of GG1's.  I rode behind the G's when the corridor was still PRR.  I rode from New Brunswick to Newark NJ weekends to go home from college.  An hr to 90 minute drive was a scheduled 17 minutes behind a G...and when we loaded in New Brunswick, we loaded in the forward cars, usually coaches although they were still served by Pullman porters, but when we took off the acceleration was unbelievable.  We were doing 100 mph before the last car cleared the platform!

Thanks for showing me your collection

Don

GG14877...WOW!! You weren't kidding, that is some collection of GG1's.  I rode behind the G's when the corridor was still PRR.  I rode from New Brunswick to Newark NJ weekends to go home from college.  An hr to 90 minute drive was a scheduled 17 minutes behind a G...and when we loaded in New Brunswick, we loaded in the forward cars, usually coaches although they were still served by Pullman porters, but when we took off the acceleration was unbelievable.  We were doing 100 mph before the last car cleared the platform!

Thanks for showing me your collection

Don

Don,

My first GG1 experience was in 1975 when I was 6.  My family took a CNJ train up the Jersey Coast Line which terminated in Penn Station, Newark under what I later learned was the Aldene plan.  I have always been a railfan since I remember which goes back to my first train memory of riding the Strasburg when I was about 3.  My dad, being a railfan just like my grandfather pointed to the Clocker that pulled into the train shed at Newark while we were waiting and said, "that's a GG1!".  It scared me and thrilled me at the same time.  I have been a fan ever since.  Later as a teen my father took me and a friend of mine to ride the last ride of the GG1 in 1983 behind GG1 4877.  My future two rail layout that is designed in my head if not on paper yet is all PRR and CNJ.

One might ask, why Santa Fe?  When I moved to Arizona in 1992 I was still a die-hard PRR fan.  It took all the way until 2014 before I finally came around as a "Westerner" to finally appreciate what an amazing operation the Santa Fe was.  PRR trains were worn out and dirty.  Deferred maintenance ruled the road from the mid 50's on.  Penn Central was a disaster.  Meanwhile, Santa Fe was still providing first class service on a daily basis between Chicago and points west.  What finally got me hooked was when I was working on the 3rd Rail FT project.  No eastern roads I modeled purchased the FT.  As a matter of course, I like to have at least one example of each project I work on as part of my portfolio.  The original cream yellow cat whisker scheme was really attractive, so I got an ABBA set.  I was sold.  Since then, I still get a 3rd rail PRR locomotive in 2 rail when it is available, but often get a 3 rail ATSF locomotive to go with it.  The rest is history as you might say.

Here is a poor set of photos of that FT set that got me hooked on the Santa Fe.  Pardon my wordiness, when I get passionate on a subject the drivel flows!

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And a video of an AB set pulling 50 cars on the Paradise and Pacific in Scottsdale:

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Going through my collection in more detail and ran across more photos.

In what could be the worst example of a Santa Fe Locomotive ever is this Model Power HO E7 that was built by Roco.  Not a bad example of an E7, but a really poor execution of the Warbonnet on a locomotive the Santa Fe never purchased.  They settled on 4 axle units after the war due to grades and the only reason they ended up with E8s was that they were remanufactured from the original E1s to serve the Chicago to Texas routes that were relatively flat grades.

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While K-Line calls this an F7B, it is really a Phase IV F3B.  The tell is the slotted vents where a fan would occur on an F7. 

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Yes, I too have a Menards FP7 which was never rostered by the Santa Fe.  As a beta tester my unit came with many problems that I won't get into here.  I'll simply state that I have replacement parts to upgrade this and will add some details for a post 1955 Santa Fe diesel to make it a good working part of my Santa Fe collection.  It will pair nicely with my F3B.

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A few cars currently in the box, but I sure do love Atlas cars.  Plug door boxcar and a covered hopper.

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GG14877  Thanks for your story, I love the background and the beautiful pictures of the locomotives.  One more PRR and GG1 story.  In the late 50's Dad took be to the Army-Navy game in Philadelphia.  Believe it or not, the Army-Navy game was the PRR largest single day passenger movement schedule in the year.  When we left the stadium, the PRR had taken over the adjacent freight yards and all the trains were lined up...parallel to each other like one of your pictures.  The trains had big signs in the front, like "Newark", "Washington DC" etc.  You walked out got on your train and soon you were on your way home.  It was an incredible experience.

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When traveling through the rugged country near Raton on the ATSF you come across this -- and it comes up very quickly.  So much so that it took several trips on the Southwest Chief over, a period of years, before I nailed the shot.  (It also helped that the train seemed to be moving quite a bit more slowly than normal as we came through on the lucky pass-by.)

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Well "Santa Fe" fans, its that time of the week again, so I am really enjoying your posts and pictures.  Thanks to all who got up early and posted.  Lou1985 great scenes from Santa Fe and Albuquerque (I once served at Kirkland AFB in that town). RSJB18 and GG1Guy great boxcars.  Lee its good to see your #633 again in action...I am one of those folks who just love to see our Pre and Post war toys back in operation and really looking good!

Here is a Santa Fe switcher as interpreted by Mr. Marx, in the same time period as Lee's Lionel #633.  Its a Marx 1998 Alco S3 from 1955-1962.  The consist is some Santa Fe Marx cars that I put together for the picture, they didn't come as an official set.

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And here is a "Santa Fe" delivery truck, pulling up to the Marx freight station

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Have a great Labor Day everyone.

Don

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A pair of Pecos River 50' double door boxcars.  One for road service and the other painted for MOW service.  What is interesting is the MOW painted one is factory painted over the traditional ATSF billboard map paint scheme.  Not sure why, but it is actually very prototypical in that regard as the MOW cars were all repaints over road service paint schemes.

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Matt who made these units? I need some of these.

They're from MTH and are Proto-2 (3v). Bought them back in 2009. They were offered in hi-rail or with scale wheels. Both the hi-rail and scale-wheel units can be operated on 3-rail or 2-rail mode. The later Proto-3 releases were not polarity-dependent, plus had DCC-compatibility as well as DCS and conventional (AC or DC). Unit 6609 was a duplicate 6608 that I was able to grab off eBay (the scale-wheel units sold out fast). They're still showing up occasionally in the secondary market and my understanding is that Atlas did NOT buy the U25 tooling from MTH. I'm hoping that the MTH successor will continue to produce these down the road.

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They're from MTH and are Proto-2 (3v). Bought them back in 2009. They were offered in hi-rail or with scale wheels. Both the hi-rail and scale-wheel units can be operated on 3-rail or 2-rail mode. The later Proto-3 releases were not polarity-dependent, plus had DCC-compatibility as well as DCS and conventional (AC or DC). Unit 6609 was a duplicate 6608 that I was able to grab off eBay (the scale-wheel units sold out fast). They're still showing up occasionally in the secondary market and my understanding is that Atlas did NOT buy the U25 tooling from MTH. I'm hoping that the MTH successor will continue to produce these down the road.

Thanks I must have missed them. I am not impressed with Atlas as of yet they have the opportunity to take the 3-2 forward but yet choose to sit on their hands. I love the fixed pilots and kadees and am going to go broke trying to get the all those offering through 3rd rail since they are the only ones left doing it right now.

Thanks I must have missed them. I am not impressed with Atlas as of yet they have the opportunity to take the 3-2 forward but yet choose to sit on their hands. I love the fixed pilots and kadees and am going to go broke trying to get the all those offering through 3rd rail since they are the only ones left doing it right now.

Yeah. The last MTH engines I bought were the BNSF [so-called] Heritage units with scale wheels. I think I'm pretty much done buying engines at this point -- at least until things shake out.

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I am planning a BIG layout one day where I can model both the PRR and the Santa Fe from NYC to Los Angeles via Chicago.

Jonathan,  How about a half mile square piece of property in Kerr County, Texas?  Seldom rains and has a nice gulley for an eye catching trestle.  Stainless steel track would be ideal for an out of doors layout.  You could model the Horse Shoe Curve, simulate switching to Dearborn Street Station and across the Great Plains.  John

@rattler21 posted:

Jonathan,  How about a half mile square piece of property in Kerr County, Texas?  Seldom rains and has a nice gulley for an eye catching trestle.  Stainless steel track would be ideal for an out of doors layout.  You could model the Horse Shoe Curve, simulate switching to Dearborn Street Station and across the Great Plains.  John

Based on a quick calculation the amount of land I would need would be 61.46 miles to do it to scale.  It is about 2950 miles by train which is the equivalent of 15,576,000 feet divided by 48 to equal 324,500 feet.  Divide that by 5280 feet to the mile.   

I think I am better off selling everything and buying a 1:1 short line.

Going through more boxes of trains and came across my recent acquisition of an era appropriate ATSF steel caboose for my FT set and a Lionel Railsounds boxcar.  RLS2 only so not quite the same in today's era of super bass, but it is a nicely decorated car. I might gut the sounds just to have a nice boxcar to run and put them in a locomotive.

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Mike, Menards $20.00 freight cars, can't go too wrong with that! I too have a similar WarBonnet boxcar from Menards, different road number though. Also in the photo below with the WarBonnet is a Chief boxcar with graffiti. I have a bushel of Lionel metal sprung freight trucks, so I replaced the Menards trucks with the Lionel on these two units.

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FOR SANTA FE SUNDAY:  The Lionel 2065 Santa Fe style Hudson pulling Santa Fe streamlined passenger cars.  I received the Hudson with a freight set for Christmas when I was 4 years old.  I purchased the passenger cars with allowance and grass cutting money when I was in 6th grade.   IMG_4445IMG_4483

Lionel Santa Fe FA 2 I received for Christmas when I was in 5th grade.  The set of diesels came as an AA set with one powered unit and the other a dummy.  This engine was never a great puller, however at the time all that mattered to me was that it looked cool with the warbonnet scheme ... and that it could handle those 3 passenger cars in fast fashion!  LOL! IMG_4347

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1775FA02-1A45-417D-A192-353F3917B850It is 7:00 pm in Floydada, TX and SL-SF locomotive #5010 has arrived ON TIME with QLA. The train will continue west to Plainview and Amarillo, TX on Uncle John Santa Fe with an ultimate destination of Los Angeles.  #5010 will depart Floydada with eastbound CTB (California Tulsa Birmingham) at 8:00pm to return to Quanah, TX and hand off to parent company Frisco at 10:45pm.  #5034 will depart with eastbound 3310 at 11:30pm.

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Hello Santa Fe fans, hope your Halloween Sunday is going well and your candy box is all prepared for the little guys in costume tonight!  Rusty that is some long and beautiful train...I enjoyed seeing all the passenger and mail/baggage cars.  Rusty, never get tired or seeing the real thing...thanks!  Well my offering on this SFSun is very humble.  This little guy only made one very modest but highly collectable appearance.  He was part of the 1963 "Libbys" set which is a rarity in itself.  I have parts of it, but am still looking for the Libby's vat car.

Here he is, a simple one color heat stamp on grey plastic, built 1963, the Lionel ATSF #6076 Hopper Car.  A very inexpensive car, one bay, never offered with a load, no color,  fully plastic including the trucks and couplers.  Things were definitely winding down for Lionel by 1963.

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Here is the logo end, proving his heritage as ATSF !!

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Here is the end view.

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Best Halloween Wishes to All.

Regards

Don

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@Rob Leese posted:

AT&SF #7 behind my favorite 4-8-4.

...and a question @Number 90Did #7-8 ever have a streamlined rider coach?



Nice train, Rob.

Trains 7 and 8 the Fast Mail and Express, never had a lightweight chair car or combine assigned, although I feel certain that one was used on a few occasions when the regular rider car was unavailable.  

The 7 and 8 of the 1960's used a heavyweight combine with air conditioning and plush reclining seats, or an air conditioned chair car with the same type of seats.  The combine was the "regular" rider car, but the train frequently ran in sections and so heavyweight chair cars caused no increase in the heart rate of any observers.

In an unusual act of bad timing, Santa Fe bought a number of new Budd RPO cars and rebuilt the rider combines used on the mail train, just a few years before the Post Office cancelled the contract that provided the reason for running this train.

Maybe we ought to become organized in petitioning Sunset/3rd Rail for Santa Fe heavyweight chair cars and the rider combine.

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@AGHRMatt posted:

Here are a couple from the Archives (I'm finalizing a couple of designs and hope to start the home layout build after Christmas):

Nice videos Matt. 👍

I liked how the rock strata was shaped in the beginning of the first video.    It seems to follow the curvature of the hillside.     I noticed that when traveling through parts of Pa. where the highways were cut through the mountains.

Nice videos Matt. 👍

I liked how the rock strata was shaped in the beginning of the first video.    It seems to follow the curvature of the hillside.     I noticed that when traveling through parts of Pa. where the highways were cut through the mountains.

Thanks. It gets tricky sometimes when you plan out the track, then try to build up the back scenery as if it was there before the track was cut in. I'm going to try something similar when I do my build at home.

Hello Santa Fe fans, great pictures this week thank you all for sharing. Eric your outdoor (or seemingly outdoor) photos are amazing.  I really can't tell if they are "real" or a model scene.  Fantastic.  My offering today is from one of my favorite vendors, Mr. Louis Marx.  It's 1955 and Marx is trying to keep pace with the increased realism of the hobby.  He introduces his "1998" type Alco S-3 switcher with a very interesting engineering innovation.  The switcher looks like its has two 4 wheel trucks but in reality the center two wheels are Marx's old stand-by 4 wheel motor.  The two front and two rear wheels and truck frames are fake, cleverly attached to resemble an 8 wheel switcher.  This does 2 things for Marx :  1) it keeps cost down as it allows re-use of his well designed and reliable motor and 2) it gives him a competitive locomotive as the hobby moves forward into greater realism.   Its really an example of Marx's highly cost conscious engineering.

Here he is, the Marx 1998, Santa Fe Alco S-3 switcher and matching caboose from 1955-1962.

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Best wishes everyone, may you have a blessed week

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Well folks, happy Santa Fe Sunday to you all.  Its a beautiful Sunday in central Texas, temp in the high 70's and sunny .

Here are a few "Santa Fe" pictures for today.  First my little K-line Santa Fe Alco switcher. This little guy is twin motored and runs like a champ.  For my RR he handles both passenger and freight assignments.

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Here is Marx #21 Santa Fe F-3 in lithographed tinplate.  Made between 1950 -1954 this set came with "scale" type freight cars on high trucks to match up with #21 coupler height.

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Finally the Marx 1998 type Switcher in Maroon / Yellow A.T.S.F livery.

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Best wishes for everyone as we start a new week.

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60' heavyweight baggage car by Terry Nelms from an American Standard kit.

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Weaver E-8 ABA.  Four electric motors, no tethers and nice looking. Fifty-one inches long.

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Weaver Santa Fe express box car and a Williams observation car which has been repainted.

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@rattler21 posted:


60' heavyweight baggage car by Terry Nelms from an American Standard kit.



US Hobbies scale brass trailer



GGD heavyweight baggage in Santa Fe Green



K-Line Fairlane repainted to Chief Red Cloud Santa Fe observation car



K-Line diner with added chimney, shades and bars.



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Weaver Santa Fe express box car and a Williams observation car which has been repainted.

John

Whew, that's a lot of Santa Fe! Great stuff John, thanks for sharing it all.

Hi everyone, best wishes for a Sunday and for the upcoming week.  After rattler21's extensive offering last week, this feels like its a little light but I thought those of you who collect as well as operate might enjoy this somewhat unusual item.

This is the 1955, Marx # 3975 "A.T.& S.F." stock car. This car is relatively common in brown with high 8 wheel trucks but this one is unique, make in 1955 only.  First its color, its yellow but most unusual is the fact that it is on Type B, 3/16 scale trucks to match the Marx scale freights.  Marx only made 8 types of plastic cars with scale trucks, most likely to fill out his scale line in its early days.  He made 2 cabooses (B&O,SP), a tank car (CSOX) , a flat car (Erie), a gondola (PRR) and a boxcar (B&O)  and a Crane car besides the Santa Fe stock car.  All of these have the standard 4/8 wheel body but are fitted with the Type B scale trucks.  So here he is, a somewhat common car except for the color and the trucks and he is SANTA FE.

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Best wishes for a good week.

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Santa Fe Sunday F3 about to get a quick inspection by SF mechanics at the passenger station. The 3 mechanics at the rear truck, "What are we supposed to be doing"? While the boss is trying to light fire under their you know what's!

A neighboring SF freight Warbonnet caboose ready to roll out.

Who doesn't like the Bulldog nose Covered Wagons with Santa Fe's Warbonnet paint job in its several iterations.

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The Kempner Kids are down at the Caprock depot, enjoying cold Coca Cola.  The big Alco of Train No. 59 passes them, as Engineer Wallace White brings the train in for a smooth station stop.  Sissy Kempner has been sent by Mama to retrieve her brothers for supper.  She is a good girl, but the noise and the aroma of the passenger train have caused her to linger after delivering her message.  That's life in west Texas, in 1953.

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Love those Santa Fe's so much, I built a whole room with bridges in those colors.  These are four to five year old pics.  I've forgotten some of the info on some of them.  Please correct/clarify if you know.

Lionchief #164,  F-7's.

Below is a conventional F-3 AA set, 2343.  This is a Lionel reproduction, when the company changed hands and decided to re-issue a lot of the great stuff from the past.  Could that have been 20 years ago?

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SF 2333, F-3's with duel motors in the lead A unit.  This makes that distinctive old Lionel motor sound.  Not sure, could be from 1948.

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Bought this massive SF front from a couple in Georgia.  Love the switch plate, too.

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The Lionchief passes the mall.  This was before I ordered the backdrop.

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MTH 26L and 17C ABA set.  DCS.  Runs on the overhead layout.

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Six of my ten LOTS Santa Fe cars at the end of that consist.

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Lionel 2243 AA.  Black trucks.

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These two pics show our Santa Fe room.  The upper level Lionchief is pulling 21 Santa Fe freight cars, mostly from Menards.

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These are on my new N scale layout.  I'm maxed out in O scale, and none of the guys can see the pool balls anymore.  The starter set is conventional.  Kato F-3.20200822_145847

Three Broadway Limited SF F-3's and a dummy.  This is a DCC consist.  It takes 3 linked engines to pull the dozen SF cars up that not so steep slope.

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Fun to post again on the forum.  Love the thread and all your Santa Fe pics.

Jerry G

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USA Trains  PA Large scale AB pair. These are highly detailed models with all axels powered and smoke from Charles Ro Supply.  'California Zephyr' Aluminum Vista Dome towering over a Lionel PW No.2343 set.   These are brand new and unrun and are available in the FS Trade post.

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Well Paul, I am not sure I can support your views of cars and people being without breakdown.  I have a Ford Explorer with 257,000 miles on it and will admit that it sometimes gives me the opportunity to demonstrate my repair skills (or lack thereof).  From the perspective of people, at 77,  I will admit to sometimes feeling like Penn Central just after the merger with all that deferred maintenance to take care of....

Well today to celebrate Santa Fe Sunday, I have an interesting offering from Marx.  Think back to the late prewar period, Lionel and American Flyer (now Gilbert Flyer since 1939) are having success with their scale trains, so Marx feels the pressure to enter the scale market.  He begins  with freight cars, most likely to be pulled by the 999 near scale steamer.  He hopes to have a full line by Christmas 1942and begins to bring out the cars in late 41.  Of course the war interrupts everything although he did put out the 1941 Christmas line which had the beginnings of the scale trains.  He selects 3/16" scale or "S" like American Flyer but never abandons 0 gauge.  Thus he is sort of like pre-war  Gilbert Flyer, S scale but 0 gauge however he never moves to S gauge trucks / track  like Flyer.  He produces scale freight cars from 41-42 and then 46- 55.  He produces S scale passenger cars longer, in fact all the way to 1970 when the company is taken over by Quaker Oats.

So today is an interesting freight car.  It is a Marx 3/16 " Scale Freight with 0 gauge trucks.  Made between 1946-47, it is a fully sheet metal, lithographed freight, a Santa Fe stock car.

In this first view, note the scale trucks and the fact that the slatted sides are in fact punched out as is the door.  These are real slats not just lithographed lines.   Officially this is the Marx #13549 ATSF stock car.

Marx scale stock car side

In this picture you can get a more clear picture of the fact that the slats in the side and door are in fact punched out and not just embossed or lithographed.  The car is 7 5/8" long and 2 1/2 " high.  For Marx especially it is very close to properly scaled for S scale and the history of these cars is that in the early 50's they were close enough to scale that many S modelers converted the trucks and couplers and used them with their American Flyer S gauge trains.

Marx scale stock car quarter view

Here you can see that Marx continued the full multi-color litho treatment even onto the roof of the car.  In my opinion, of all the Marx lines, these 3/16" scale cars are just about the highest quality trains Marx produced.

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Well best wishes for a fine "Santa Fe" Sunday and hope you have a great week.

Don

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Well I am getting off to a late start today as its nearly 4 pm here in Central Texas, but Christmas shopping etc took up the morning.  Thought I might post a few pictures of my Marx #1998, Santa Fe, Alco S3 in black made between 1955-1962.  Included as well is the Santa Fe #1972 caboose from 1974, the #3280 Santa Fe box car from 1956 and #4587 Santa Fe work caboose from 1962.

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Well here's hoping everyone gets off to a great week.  Best Wishes

Don

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Well Santa Fe Sunday, seems to have dropped off the posting list today, so I will try to keep us going with a very simple and humble offering.  This is the Marx, lightweight, 4 wheel Santa Fe boxcar from 1974.  These were the lowest cost line that Marx offered, and were in fact also offered in 8 wheel with a sheet metal floor / frame and two 8 wheel trucks with little change in the body of the car or its printing.  These cars are hollow inside with the outline of the trucks just a facade cast into the bottom of the car body.  But this seems ok for a slow week with everyone still recovering from Christmas and two pro football games last night .



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For openers on Santa Fe Sunday:

the following photos show the slight yet noticable difference in Lionel F7’s with a K-Line F7b in the consist.  I once had a K-Line ABA set, and I disliked them only because of the tethers. When I bought an addition B unit for the set the tether plugs did not match. The ABA set later sold to the Lone Star Hi-Railers, but I kept the errant B.  It will probably be up for grabs at the Club’s next train show in March 2022.14AB782E-91E8-4AE7-A023-767F218CAC42184C0335-D73E-419D-957A-C8479FD13C8AB96178D4-0572-4B33-BD84-F5CF8ECF86960C58B00F-B7A1-44E0-895C-069A291AEDE711BC36B6-76F0-441E-9515-D7B265DC59CF

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@Rob Leese posted:

For openers on Santa Fe Sunday:

the following photos show the slight yet noticable difference in Lionel F7’s with a K-Line F7b in the consist.  I once had a K-Line ABA set, and I disliked them only because of the tethers. When I bought an addition B unit for the set the tether plugs did not match. The ABA set later sold to the Lone Star Hi-Railers, but I kept the errant B.  It will probably be up for grabs at the Club’s next train show in March 2022.14AB782E-91E8-4AE7-A023-767F218CAC4211BC36B6-76F0-441E-9515-D7B265DC59CF

Hello Robert, first, very nice models! I'm curious though about your Lionel SF F7 A units. Are the two A units from an ABA set 2007 catalog 6-24589. Do you have the Lionel B unit, and your just showing the difference between the K-Line? Secondly, I've never seen a Lionel F3 or F7 with the lift hooks on the front and rear of each A unit. That's a pretty cool feature. Thanks for posting!

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Yes, this is the Lionel 6-24589 set.  The Lionel B unit included with the set can be seen next to 333L in the top photo, and in the second photo with the taller Lionel unit being to the left.

These Lionel models are a much more accurate portrayal of Santa Fe's F unit fleet as compared to the zillions of 2343 models.  And I may differ from a lot of AT&SF modelers, but I like the solid silver paint on the sides as opposed to the models with simulated stainless steel side panels.

Finally getting to participate in Santa Fe Sunday with minutes to spare! Started getting into Western RRs a couple months back and the AT&SF caught me big time! Considering

So here're my two ATSF command control engines and some of my most recent rolling stock pick ups:



This was my first Santa Fe Legacy engine: Lionel GP35 Kodachrome always wanted a Kodachrome And I love the strobe light! Lionel ATSF 40' flat with removable load following behind:

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Had to pick up the matching caboose(by Atlas) when I saw it  was available. Love this 50' Boxcar with double doors and opening end doors- really cool. I usually like more modern boxcars but was too neat to pass up

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What's this Mailbox boxcar doing here? Check the reporting mark! Big fan of patches/overstamps/merger stuff. Behind it is a 40' hy cube. Both Atlas trainman

Atlas Santa Fe patched Railbox BoxC & 40' Hy Cube

I hope some BNSF is ok... I love the end GEEPs- specifically GP20 and later. Lionel Legacy Santa Fe GP35 with BNSF stamp(again-merger/stamp stuff ) with an MTH BNSF 40' high cube and Christmas Eve arrival Lionel BNSF 2 bay covered hopper following along(really sharp  looking!)

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@StevefromPA posted:

Finally getting to participate in Santa Fe Sunday with minutes to spare! Started getting into Western RRs a couple months back and the AT&SF caught me big time! Considering

So here're my two ATSF command control engines and some of my most recent rolling stock pick ups:



This was my first Santa Fe Legacy engine: Lionel GP35 Kodachrome always wanted a Kodachrome And I love the strobe light! Lionel ATSF 40' flat with removable load following behind:

Lnl ATSF Kodachrome GP35 & 40' flat with load



Had to pick up the matching caboose(by Atlas) when I saw it  was available. Love this 50' Boxcar with double doors and opening end doors- really cool. I usually like more modern boxcars but was too neat to pass up





What's this Mailbox boxcar doing here? Check the reporting mark! Big fan of patches/overstamps/merger stuff. Behind it is a 40' hy cube. Both Atlas trainman



I hope some BNSF is ok... I love the end GEEPs- specifically GP20 and later. Lionel Legacy Santa Fe GP35 with BNSF stamp(again-merger/stamp stuff ) with an MTH BNSF 40' high cube and Christmas Eve arrival Lionel BNSF 2 bay covered hopper following along(really sharp  looking!)



Steve, love the SF Kodachrome merger model paint scheme, looks awesome. Here's another one you might add to your layout one day with SP for Southern Pacific. Santa Fe and Southern Pacific began a merger in 1983 and prematurely painted some locomotives, I think 6 in all, with SF, SP, and SPSF. Obviously the merger failed in 1986 as the U.S. ICC board rejected the proposed merger, saying that the anti-competitive problems outweighed the public benefits of joining the rail systems.

This would be a cool addition to your SF Lionel model. 2005 catalog 6-28225 TMCC.

I don't think Lionel ever made a model of the SPSF paint scheme, can't find one, but here's the real thing.

But what a cool paint scheme, and probably a rare find.

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@WesternPacific2217 I was going to say I think the Espee only did about four(definitely single digits) Kodachrome schemes. The Lionel SP Kodachrome  with TMCC you posted is awesome and one I've seen online- although unfortunately never found one for sale and Have been actively looking for it. I'd like a Kodachrome SP unit to go with the Kodachrome SF GP35. I'm now considering some of the Weaver Kodachrome diesels, buying one and upgrading them to ERR...I don't believe anyone has ever made an o scale SPSF unit- with the exception of custom jobs

@GG1 4877 thanks for that link!! Not sure if I'll get that SD40-2(as nice as it is!) BUT I've been looking for those Amtrak Genesis units so I'm even more happy that you shared that link to the 3rd Rail website! Thanks!

Well here we are 1/2/22 the first "official" Sunday in the new year.  We normally have lots of "war bonnets" but today it seems a bit sparse, so I thought I would dig out my Marx interpretation of that famous livery.  This is the Mark # 1095 Santa Fe E-7 made in 1952 so now 70 years ago this new years.  Along with that AA engine is a Marx Santa Fe #3152 Full Dome car from about 1958.  Note the Marx characteristic full color passengers in the dome.  It was always rumored that Marx used real people that he knew from his business for these pictures but not really confirmed.  

Here is that famous "war bonnet" livery on the cab of the E-7 by Marx.

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A sort of total length view of this little one car train.  Must be late in the passenger business as there is only one car.

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A front quarter view of this short train.

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Here is a close up of the Marx #3152 Santa Fe full vista dome.

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Well happy "Santa Fe" Sunday everyone.  Best wishes

Don

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