Switcher Saturday 2-4-23

JHZ563 - Interesting photos. Thanks for posting.

It's a cold Saturday morning - about 2 degrees F at 12:40 AM.

MTH Railking New York Central “lightning stripe” ALCo RS-3 #8344 (30-20816-1) is my best-running diesel locomotive model. MTH delivered it with PS3 in November 2021 at an MSRP of $359.95. Its quality of manufacture is exceptional – with no visible defects and MTH’s excellent ALCo engine sounds.

Last Saturday, we talked about the speed control on my MTH Premier USRA 0-8-0 steam switcher. Unlike the steamer, this engine has four widely-spaced pickup rollers and the speed control keeps the speed and sounds absolutely steady in low-speed conventional operation on the switches and O-54 curves of my 10’-by-5’ layout. The engine is running at 10 scale miles-per-hour in the videos – which is as slow as I would ever run it. At that speed, if the train had completed a circuit of my layout, the video would have been too large to upload and post on the Forum.

Some people tout locomotives that can creep smoothly at less than three scale miles-per-hour - certainly an outstanding accomplishment of model engineering. However, after watching that kind of operation for a minute or two, I’m ready to advance the throttle and get the train moving. I’d rather see a fast freight or passenger train running at realistic scale speeds and hear the chuffing of a steamer or the drone of a diesel with horn or whistle blowing.

The American Locomotive Company built 1,265 RS-3 locomotives for U.S. railroads between 1950 and 1956. They weighed 247,100 pounds and had a 4-stroke V12 diesel engine that produced 1,600 horsepower with a starting tractive force of 61,775 pounds. Maximum speeds were between 65 and 85 miles-per-hour depending on gearing.

Between 1950 and 1953 the New York Central Railroad acquired 130 RS-3 locomotives with road numbers between #8223 and #8352. New York Central RS-3 #8344, class DRS-6h, was built in September/October 1953 and renumbered to NYC #5344 in 1966 in anticipation of NYC’s merger into the Penn Central Railroad.

MELGAR

Late night switching session! The new to me CP rail MTH railking MP15 is making moves on the layout. It was my Christmas gift this year. Picked it up at one of Mr. Muffins auctions. Runs great! I’m am very happy with it. One “all weather” window was missing. So I added an “all weather” window on the engineer side, along with the rooftop A/C. Dusted her up with a little bit of weathering. And she’s in service! Have a awesome weekend everyone!

I work in the material handling industry as a forklift technician and was surprised to see this. At work one of my co workers did a motor rebuild on a track mobile. I took this picture last summer and the customer just took delivery this week.

Early on a very cold morning in late 1949, a 44 tonner is waiting for a boxcar to complete loading so it can be moved to the westbound classification track.  The engineer is admiring the brand new '49 Peterbilt.

Happy SWSAT…..quite chilly this AM.

John

@CAPPilot posted:

Early on a very cold morning in late 1949, a 44 tonner is waiting for a boxcar to complete loading so it can be moved to the westbound classification track.  The engineer is admiring the brand new '49 Peterbilt.

Ron, that is a very cool Campbell's Soup truck. When I was a kid, my uncle's and father's land was leased to a pair of brothers that farmed it. They planted tomatoes that went to Campbell's Soup.

Greetings, SwSatites on this -12 morning in Central MA!  Today your Yardmaster is anxious to show MELGAR (y’all,too) the $50.00 switcher he bought at the Springfield show.

B&M EMD SW9 no. 1230 is a MTH Railking model catalogued in 2000.  Like the Sante Fe SW9 I posted a couple of weeks ago, it’s Mike’s economy model, equipped only with lights, a QSI reverse unit and a horn that sounds like a buzzer. The seller didn’t know if it ran, but your Yardmaster took a chance because not much can go wrong.

Upon arrival at the Steam Crazy yard, your Yardmaster sent it to the shop for the following services: inspection, lube, oil, traction tire and yellow paint on the steps and handrails for safety.  The SW9 then fired up immediately and runs great!

Your Yardmaster is thinking of upgrading the SW9 with an ERR or Dallee sound system.  He’s not sure about that because sometimes he still enjoys just hearing the wheels on the rails.  He’s also found he doesn’t notice if an engine is mute if he  runs it with a sound equipped engine.

John

Happy SWSat!

Since we are keeping track...5 deg according to the Weather Channel, 8 degrees on my boiler reset controller on LI this morning. The wind finally stopped howling around 5 AM. Back up in the 50's next week so today I'll hibernate in the basement. Gee, I wonder what I will do to pass the time.....

Just some random shots around the layout today.

And since Mel showcased his RS-3, here's my RS-11 in NYC lightning stripes.

Stay warm today. Only 6 more weeks of winter!

Bob

@Steam Crazy posted:

Greetings, SwSatites on this -12 morning in Central MA!  Today your Yardmaster is anxious to show MELGAR (y’all,too) the $50.00 switcher he bought at the Springfield show.

John

That's a great looking engine John. For $50 bucks I'd have jumped on it too.

Bob

Well, after a truly fabulous week of weather, today we woke up to a cool 65 degrees and rainy. Not quite what many of you are experiencing up North,  but it’s sufficiently cold enough to curtail my fishing plans this AM.  Fortunately, the layout beckons. Here are some quick shots of our 44 tonner working the rails -

Yay SWSat is on!

Great stuff so far everyone.
This weekend I am too cold to go out but last weekend I did. I took Amtrak from NY Pennsylvania Station to Springfield and I went to the Amherst Railroad show in Springfield Massachusetts. Taking the train to the train show is the only way to go. There was lots of switcher stuff as I’m sure you can imagine but the 1926  two foot gauge 0-4-4F Porter Forney they trucked in from Edaville and had in steam was what caught my attention.

Little Forneys like this one are definitely in the running for my favorite steam engines. They just have such character at a human scale. The show opened at 9 on Saturday with a whistle blast from this engine with some accompanying blasts from horns mounted in some pickups and ran till Sunday. Spread over four buildings there was more to see than I could get to in the time I had. Sellers, Manufacturers, Importers, interest groups and layouts fill the show. I joined the O Scale Central 2 Rail advocacy group.

@Steam Crazy   I didn’t find a $50 engine I wanted  

Of course I blasted through my budget and mostly got kits and detail parts from smaller manufacturers but all the big guys were there. I got to speak for awhile with MTH about how they are going forward and any possibility of a return to including some 2rail O again.

Have a great weekend. Stay warm inside if you can. I can’t wait to see what you all post.

@jhz563 posted:

Hello #swsat fans, and welcome back .So please share your Switcher stories, photos and videos. Have a great weekend everyone 😀. 🚂

Thanks for kicking off Swsat JH.

Layout room starting to warm up this morning and I find every available switcher being pressed into service to clear the yard from TCT 's ( Tank Car Thursday 's )  forum thread photo shoot .

........hope no BEER was ruined from last night's freezing temps.

JHZ, thanks for kicking things off again this week.  I think Trackmobiles are cool little switchers in the critter line.  I hope the convalescing is coming along nicely.

Mel that RS3 is a winner.  One can never go wrong with NYC lightning stripes.  Let me say I totally agree with you, "Some people tout locomotives that can creep smoothly at less than three scale miles-per-hour - certainly an outstanding accomplishment of model engineering. However, after watching that kind of operation for a minute or two, I’m ready to advance the throttle and get the train moving. I’d rather see a fast freight or passenger train running at realistic scale speeds and hear the chuffing of a steamer or the drone of a diesel with horn or whistle blowing."

Jesse, were you able to buy the all-weather window and a/c or did you have to fabricate them?

Steam Crazy if that SW9 didn't run you would have gotten a "Deal" because it would have been one good looking display but since it runs you got a "Steal" for $50.

Bob, I love RS-11.

Strap, I'm sure it was the rain and not the65 degrees that kept you out of the boat this morning.

Andy your commitment to this hobby is astounding. I thought taking the train from Manhattan to White Plains was a trip for a train show but all the way Amherst, Wow!

A cold -16 in upstate NY Have a Alaska GP moving some oil and coal to the locals. Have a good weekend stay warm.

Lionel Switchers 0-4-0 #1662, 0-6-0 #222, and 0-8-0 #7745.

Your Yardmaster claimed his new B&M SW9 ran great -but he didn’t back it up with video evidence - so here it is.  Note Canadian Pacific Alco FA2 hauling the “Canadian” on the opposing track.

John

Happy and thankful to share enthusiastically today in your posts, photos and stories.  
Normal rail operations have been cancelled for the day.

Current temperature in my basement (11:30 a.m. here in mid coastal Maine).

Looks like 35 degrees to me! Brrrrr

However, it’s comfy upstairs in sunlit southern exposure.

@Leroof posted:

Happy and thankful to share enthusiastically today in your posts, photos and stories.  
Normal rail operations have been cancelled for the day.

Current temperature in my basement (11:30 a.m. here in mid coastal Maine).

Looks like 35 degrees to me! Brrrrr

However, it’s comfy upstairs in sunlit southern exposure.

Better keep a close eye on your pipes Pierre.

@Steam Crazy posted:

Greetings, SwSatites on this -12 morning in Central MA!  Today your Yardmaster is anxious to show MELGAR (y’all,too) the $50.00 switcher he bought at the Springfield show.

B&M EMD SW9 no. 1230 is a MTH Railking model catalogued in 2000.  Like the Sante Fe SW9 I posted a couple of weeks ago, it’s Mike’s economy model, equipped only with lights, a QSI reverse unit and a horn that sounds like a buzzer. The seller didn’t know if it ran, but your Yardmaster took a chance because not much can go wrong.

Upon arrival at the Steam Crazy yard, your Yardmaster sent it to the shop for the following services: inspection, lube, oil, traction tire and yellow paint on the steps and handrails for safety.  The SW9 then fired up immediately and runs great!

Your Yardmaster is thinking of upgrading the SW9 with an ERR or Dallee sound system.  He’s not sure about that because sometimes he still enjoys just hearing the wheels on the rails.  He’s also found he doesn’t notice if an engine is mute if he  runs it with a sound equipped engine.

John

Gentlemen,

A lot of great posts on this very cold morning. The National Weather Service reported the low temperature in Bridgeport, CT at -4 degrees F. It was too cold for me to go outside and check the reading in my backyard, but it's always two or three degrees less than on the shoreline. The heating in the basement keeps me and the trains and layouts functional.

John,

I've been waiting anxiously all week to see the new mystery engine. You didn't disappoint me. If I had been at the show, I would have bought it too. The fact that it is "Mike's economy model" doesn't matter at all. Use it well and enjoy it. It looks like your model is Railking B&M SW9 30-2179-0 from the 2000 Volume 1 catalog at the unbelievable price of $129.95, although the MTH image shows that model with silver trucks. No matter what, your model is worth the price. Looks good on the video too!

The B&M model that I run most is GP7 #1563 - also one of Mike's - which I have posted here many times. I will have more to say on B&M SW9s next week....

Have a good weekend and stay warm.

MELGAR

Happy Switcher Saturday from Finland. So far this winter has not been very cold here in the south of Finland, at the moment it is -8C outside, but in the north it has been over -30C in the last few days. After a six-day work week, it's nice to watch Maine Central's ALCO S2 on switching work.

Bob, thx I know! Wrapped pipes and trickle water flow in faucets. So far so good.
have never have had it this cold in the basement in 22 years of ownership.
let it be known that my couple of postwar locos (switcher and road engine ) on the layout just laugh at this! Electricity flows and grease not hardened yet! Lol. I ran trains for ten minutes appropriately dressed! Then made a retreat to warmer environment.

Johan! Great MEC photo thx.
question: what is the black car in the foreground of the second photo. thx.

it felt like -30 up here in the wee hours of the night!

Pierre, if it's that cold in the basement I do not want to know what the outdoor thermometer is reading.  Stay comfy my friend.

Skip those are some nice switchers and a mighty handsome string of MDT reefers.

Sitka I started out with that Alaska GP from a set break-up and it now looks like this:

This was my second attempt at using an air brush.  After practicing on a model of a Grumman F-6 which came out fairly well I masked off this guy and went to town.  I used Lackawana Yellow.  I added a winterization hatch, a snow plow and used a silver Sharpie on the trucks.  Hey wait a second, no snow plow and black trucks, what gives?  Well years later I found a "Titanic" set GP9 from a set break-up.  Unknowingly when I bought it, it would become a chassis donor to my ARR GP7.  Note the yellow handrails, frame and diamond tread pattern on mine.  It is now also equipped with the rudimentary Railsounds package that the "Titanic" GP9 came with.  Here's the donor sporting the silver Sharpie trucks and snow plow.

A little while back I realized my 1802 never got a nose herald so it's been on my list of projects for a nose job and truck tints.  But after taking it off the shelf for these pictures I realize that some how the fuel tank has become separated from the frame.  No obvious cause or fix with a quick glance.  I may have to post on the workbench thread or start a new thread asking for help with this.

@Leroof posted:

Johan! Great MEC photo thx.
question: what is the black car in the foreground of the second photo. thx.

it felt like -30 up here in the wee hours of the night!

Thanks Pierre. The car is a Studebaker Golden Hawk.

Johan

Spotting a tank of clean water at the mine on the On30 Utacolzona R.R.

Thanks for looking.       Dennis.

Utacolzona Railroad in On30 (built 2020 - 2022) Last Update 2/5/23

Mel, I'm pleased I didn't disappoint you!  You're right about the MTH model # and the silver trucks on the website.  My engine came with black trucks; you can tell they've never been repainted.  I also looked at photos of the prototype no. 1230 on Railroad Picture Archives.net; it was equipped with black trucks, but it could have started life with silver.

I have previously posted my MTH GP no. 1555, which was originally PS1 and probably about the same vintage as your 1563.  Thanks to your inspiration, I've already prepared a video of 1555 for next Saturday.  Sorry, you have to wait again!

John

Johan! Awesome car in a great switcher photo, 1/43?

Coach Joe in GP land, they look fantastic, good work!

Btw, inland (Augusta)  a buddy of mine got in his truck early this a.m. from work the thermometer read -15!  

@Leroof posted:

Johan! Awesome car in a great switcher photo, 1/43?

Coach Joe in GP land, they look fantastic, good work!

Btw, inland (Augusta)  a buddy of mine got in his truck early this a.m. from work the thermometer read -15!  

Pierre.

I have 4 of them, they came with the MTH auto transporter car, it could also be 1:50?

Johan

@coach joe posted:

Pierre, if it's that cold in the basement I do not want to know what the outdoor thermometer is reading.  Stay comfy my friend.

Skip those are some nice switchers and a mighty handsome string of MDT reefers.

Sitka I started out with that Alaska GP from a set break-up and it now looks like this:

This was my second attempt at using an air brush.  After practicing on a model of a Grumman F-6 which came out fairly well I masked off this guy and went to town.  I used Lackawana Yellow.  I added a winterization hatch, a snow plow and used a silver Sharpie on the trucks.  Hey wait a second, no snow plow and black trucks, what gives?  Well years later I found a "Titanic" set GP9 from a set break-up.  Unknowingly when I bought it, it would become a chassis donor to my ARR GP7.  Note the yellow handrails, frame and diamond tread pattern on mine.  It is now also equipped with the rudimentary Railsounds package that the "Titanic" GP9 came with.  Here's the donor sporting the silver Sharpie trucks and snow plow.

A little while back I realized my 1802 never got a nose herald so it's been on my list of projects for a nose job and truck tints.  But after taking it off the shelf for these pictures I realize that some how the fuel tank has become separated from the frame.  No obvious cause or fix with a quick glance.  I may have to post on the workbench thread or start a new thread asking for help with this.

Joe.

Really nice work. 🤝

Johan

Thank you Pierre.  I think the Alaska GP7 came out pretty good.

Johan thank you also for the compliment.

Also, want to thank Melgar, Silver lake, Strap hanger, RSJB18, Steam Crazy, Fendermain , and all of the participants for making my day a special one.

here is my MEC #11 basking in the winter sunlight.
and the white stuff is probably a dusting of snow….
More like perhaps I should take a soft brush to it! Lol

"More like perhaps I should take a soft brush to it! Lol", you made me laugh. 

Hey didn't you retire, or is semi, or am I just delusional?

Hey Coach Joe...Let's see the F-6 !! (I am ex-Dept of Navy engineer) and the GP-7 looks great!.  If today's Lionel is the era of super detail and prototypical appearance, my offering today is from Lionel's "fantasy" era the 1980's.  This is the 1981-82 L.A.S.E.R.  (Land and Space Early Reaction) military train set.  Nothing about this set makes any real sense.  The engine and caboose are "Chrome"...now who would go into combat against enemy air with a chrome engine?  It has a flat car mounted ALCM (Air Launched Cruise Missile) - a program I worked on for a number of years, which is fairly realistic in appearance but its "Air Launched" so how do I get a flatcar in the air?? Then its got a radar car with a man sitting in the breeze and a "combat caboose" with an anti-aircraft gun.  I can't really show it running as its from Lionel's DC era on their low end trains and I can't run DC.

Here is the set box, showing the full train.

Here is the Lionel # 8161 L.A.S.E.R. switcher (DC powered )

Here is the USAF ALCM (Air Launched Cruise Missile) on a flat car. Note this paint scheme is reasonably accurate for the flight test missiles, the bulls eye is used to track orientation in flight by visual means, but operational missiles are grey.

Here is the combat caboose and the radar car with the operator exposed to the wind/rain/snow etc.

e

Well that's it for me today.  This set, which I bought new because it had the ALCM on which I  worked, but nothing else makes much sense

Don

@Don McErlean posted:

Here is the combat caboose and the radar car with the operator exposed to the wind/rain/snow etc.

e

Well that's it for me today.  This set, which I bought new because it had the ALCM on which I  worked, but nothing else makes much sense

Don

The caboose body looks vaguely familiar.....

Despite the fantasy aspects of the set, it's still cool.

Bob

Coach Joe! I am Semi-retired at age 70. Whew “what a long strange trip it’s been!”

enclosed additional dusting photos keeping in the switcher parameters topic!

Bob, it’s the 520 on modern steroid enhancement supplements! Lol.

One from the archives.

Don McErland, I remember seeing the combat caboose with a radioactive canister on it as seen in your photo. Do you know it it blinked such as the postwar radioactive waste flat car? I have always wondered about that. Thx.

@Leroof -  no the radiative container  combat caboose on the LASER set never blinked    There is no power pick up.
Don

@Steam Crazy posted:

Mel, I'm pleased I didn't disappoint you!

I have previously posted my MTH GP no. 1555, which was originally PS1 and probably about the same vintage as your 1563.  Thanks to your inspiration, I've already prepared a video of 1555 for next Saturday.  Sorry, you have to wait again!

John

Preparing photos and videos in advance for Switcher Saturdays has become one of my weekly assignments too. I usually start it on Mondays. Gives me something to do.

MELGAR

Good evening fellow switcher fans!!  Thanks so much JHZ563 for getting us rolling today  I'm sure that track mobile earns its' keep at your plant.

Today I attended the Great Scale Model Train Show in Timonium, Md.  This is my first show since February of 2020.  The show was very well attended!  It had an okay representation of O gauge trains. Lots of club layouts running and nice looking club layouts too!   I bought two freight cars for a good prices.  I almost pulled the trigger on a Weaver B6 which seemed to be going for a good price.  I decided to sleep on it though. The switcher was still there at closing time.  If I wake up in the morning and am feeling a strong yearning for a B6 I will make a bee-line to the show so I can be there when the doors open tomorrow morning.   Do any of you fellow switcher fans have experience with Weaver steam switchers?  I don't own any Weaver locomotives.  I'd appreciate your feed back.

This thread gets better each week!!  Lots of awesome posts here  This week Spanky Lang the company photographer has been out snapping switchers all over the property.  He's working on a photo project for the PR dept.  The project is to portray the FSJR as a "customer first" railroad.  Since switchers are the first and last locomotives to handle a load for customers, the PR dept thought it a good idea to show the FSJR switching fleet in action.

Docksider 97 is pulling loads of anthracite coal from a mine in the Randolphian Mountains.  The little engine was dispatched to the mine, to pick up a few cars for delivery to a small  power plant,  long after the regular mine run had departed with 176 loaded cars.

Another shot of Docksider 97 making its' way across the Bollman bridge on the Mountain Division.

A GE 44 tonner awaits its' next assignment.  It just set out this MOW light car which in addition to providing light for night time derailments, helps illuminate the team track for the night shift unloading/loading crews.

C&O 75, an 0-8-0 has been called to shuttle cars at a brewery.  Its' crew likes this last minute assignment because they usually are gifted a 6 pack each by the brewery's operation manager, after their work is done.

Number 75 passes Washington Terminal RS1 number 63 with a way freight in tow.

Happy Switcher Saturday!
I have mentioned in a couple of posts how my first train was a Lionel 0-4-0 switcher, #1615. As a result, I have always loved switchers.
Here is my son’s 1909 Porter 0-4-0 T switcher. It was built for Santa Cruz Portland Cement company which was located at Davenport. CA.
Pictures taken about 8 years ago at Roaring Camp RR at Felton, CA (near Santa Cruz).

Wow Gang!  Another amazing Switcher Saturday.

Everything is so amazing I felt compelled to add some archive footage.

Here is a Wheeling and Lake Erie usra 0-6-0 spotting a transformer on the Filing Cabinet Central.

An older shot of the Halloween layout with a Porter and a short train.

One of my favorite videos of my daughter when she was (much) younger.   Hmmm, this maybe when she got into Dad's hobbies!!

Well JH........nice little Eries 0-6-0 switcher.

Very creative on that tunnel portal for the Halloween train.

Don't know when your daughter was playing with the Pittsburgh Steeler train but i hope it might mean a better year coming up in 2023.

Nice reply .

Don, here's the F6.  If memory serves it is a Revell 1:48 kit.  I bought it because it had the folding wings and was intended as a flat car load but like the 1:48 Huey I built it was too big for for Lionel traditional flat cars and my styro-foam tunnel. The wings are held in place by that wax used to keep candles straight so I can unfold them and lock them in place if it needs to leave the flight deck.

As for the L.A.S.E.R. set, I picked up pieces of a set for my son at a train show.  The engine a flat car, no load and the caboose sans anti-aircraft gun.  Didn't know I would need a DC transformer but luckily my brother models HO and had numerous starter set transformers.  I swiped the caboose shell because I had plans to make boxcab out of a K-line SP S2 switcher. However I would have to lengthen and widen the shell.  The S2 finally got new life as a USAF switcher.

@coach joe posted:

Don, here's the F6.

Joe,

Always interested to see a Grumman airplane - especially the iconic F6F H***cat. I worked there early in my career on the F-14 Tomcat, A-6 Intruder, Gulfstream II business jet and X-29 Forward-Swept-Wing technology demonstrator. At the time, they were also building wings for the Space Shuttle and the Lunar Excursion Modules. The top speed of the F6F is listed as 380 mph - with 2000 horsepower. Thanks for posting.

MELGAR

Mel, as an engineer for Nassau County I was on the Grumman property in Bethpage a few times.  The last time it was Northrop Grumman and the Navy was looking to unload it's property in the Grumman compound, including the iconic Building 5, with the blue ball on the roof.  The Navy owned the building but Grumman owned the property.  I was amazed by the testing floor they had set-up in that building.  They had an A-6 and a separated wing strapped to points on the floor and could simulate the flight stresses on the air frame and wing without the plane ever moving.  When I asked the Grumman employee we were with why Grumman wouldn't just buy the building from the Navy just because of that testing lab he told me Grumman would just build a new test lab in another facility. That building now houses film studios.

@MELGAR posted:

Joe,

Always interested to see a Grumman airplane - especially the iconic F6F H***cat. I worked there early in my career on the F-14 Tomcat, A-6 Intruder, Gulfstream II business jet and X-29 Forward-Swept-Wing technology demonstrator. At the time, they were also building wings for the Space Shuttle and the Lunar Excursion Modules. The top speed of the F6F is listed as 380 mph - with 2000 horsepower. Thanks for posting.

MELGAR

Mel- years ago I worked for a theater lighting and staging company. We did the roll-out ceremony for the X29 at Calverton.

George HW Bush, VP at the time, did the honors to christen the plane.

The test pilots said the plane was so unstable that if any of the 3 guidance computers failed, the plane would disintegrate in mid air.

Grumman did some amazing work.

Bob

@RSJB18 posted:

Mel- years ago I worked for a theater lighting and staging company. We did the roll-out ceremony for the X29 at Calverton.

George HW Bush, VP at the time, did the honors to christen the plane.

The test pilots said the plane was so unstable that if any of the 3 guidance computers failed, the plane would disintegrate in mid air.

Grumman did some amazing work.

Bob

Bob - It wasn't quite that bad. I worked on the aerodynamics and the flight control system. Part of my job was to run the flight simulation to see if any combination of pilot inputs could cause the airplane to depart from controlled flight. I won't go into more detail - but Grumman knew a lot about airplanes - including that one. I often wonder what happened to my co-workers on Long Island.

MELGAR

@coach joe posted:

Don, here's the F6. 

Love the Hellcat model.  It's a small world after all.  My Grandfather built Hellcats at Grumman during WW2.  Before he passed we got a book with an exploded view of a Hellcat and asked him what area he worked.  It was somewhere near the cockpit.   I couldn't tell if he was pointing to the seat pan or the instrument cluster.   He definitely perked up talking about that time of his life.  He mentioned that he and his two friends were referred to as "the unholy trio".   They referred to the factory  as Grumman University.

@coach joe Thanks for the view of your F-6 model.  What a plane, after introduction in 1943 the Navy ruled the sky's over the Pacific.  It had a 13:1 kill ration against the zero  and along with the Marine usage a 19:1 overall kill ratio in the war years.  It was nicknamed the "American Ace Maker" .  75% of all Navy aircraft victories are credited to the F-6 and 56% of all Navy & Marine Corps victories (Marines often flew the F-4U Corsair).  @MELGAR  and @jhz563 - Wow interesting heritage fellows.  I worked in Engineering for Naval Air Systems Command (Melgar you might know this as "BuAir") and visited Grumman many times especially on the A-6 and F-14.  Even though I was an Aero Engineer, my work involved those "strapped down" pieces that Coach Joe saw as I was deeply involved in structural fatigue damage assessment based on operational use of the aircraft.  Navy pilots loved Grumman aircraft, not because their performance was always the best (although it was good) but because they were TOUGH!  You had to have a tough airframe to withstand the rigors of carrier launch and arrestment.  Of course that toughness carried over into combat and helped their aircraft protect the pilot and crew.  We used to call the Beth Paige Grumman facility the "Grumman Iron Works"!  But all joking aside they built great aircraft.

Well back to railroads

Don

One more post about Grumman. Growing up in the 60's-70's on Long Island, Grumman was the gold standard in the aerospace and aircraft industry. A lot of local pride in being the home of the EA6 Prowler,  F14, and the Lunar Lander.

So before we get in trouble for violating the TOS....

"Anytime Baby"

@Don McErlean posted:

I worked in Engineering for Naval Air Systems Command (Melgar you might know this as "BuAir") and visited Grumman many times especially on the A-6 and F-14.  Even though I was an Aero Engineer, my work involved those "strapped down" pieces that Coach Joe saw as I was deeply involved in structural fatigue damage assessment based on operational use of the aircraft.

Well back to railroads

Don

Very interesting Don.

Grumman was a place where you could see airplanes and a railroad. The main line of the Long Island Rail Road ran through the Grumman property. There were plants on both sides of the tracks.

MELGAR

I wish I had picked up one of these when NLOE had them made.

@coach joe posted:

I wish I had picked up one of these when NLOE had them made.

I bought this one from a forum member several years ago. It's a great car.

Still waiting for my NLOE LIRR Bobber caboose........