Upgrading my older TMCC to odyssey is this possible?

Hi I have several Lionel TMCC engines without speed control, ie Norfolk and Western 1218, and the Union Pacific 4006 Big Boy, and several diesel engines. I am looking for the information to convert these to newer speed control, I'm ok with rail sounds 5,0  but need more control over the engines speed. A lot of what I am reading here is about other brands and some acronyms I don't know, thank you for your patience with me. Regards John

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Very easy, any TMCC locomotive with a DC (can) motor can be upgraded to cruise using the ERR Cruise Commander M.  It's a very easy install, one wire of soldering.  You'll also get 100 speed steps for much better low speed performance.  As a bonus, for diesels, you can wire up the operating ditch lights that will flash with the horn just like the real prototype.

Not Odyssey engines have the lurch. If yours doesn't then I would leave it alone. I think the generic kit has been phased out. The steam kit  has the capability to work with wireless tethers as well as older wired tethered engines. The main difference in the diesel kit is it has a connector to convert the 6 pin power/motor connector to the Cruise Ms 4 pin connector.

Before ordering make sure all of your engines have modular boards. Most made after 1999 do. 

You can go to electricrr.com and download the manuals for these before you buy to see what is involved.

Pete

There is now a single kit for Diesel & Steam, the conversion for the 6-pin connector was just for the Odyssey specific version.  I don't know if there is a 6-pin connector in any of them now, the instructions have not been updated for some time.  At one time they had you cutting and splicing the wires for the Odyssey installation, I used the connector tool and moved the pins to a 4-pin shell instead.

A call or email to Ken at ken@electricrr.com will confirm what you need.

The ERR diesel kit contains the 4 pin connector/pigtail to adapt an Odyssey engine to ERR. Not the other way around. You and I may have 4 pin connectors to swap the pins to but I doubt most others including the OP has them on the shelf.

Pete

Not any more Pete.  The kit is now labeled Diesel & Steam and contains no connector for the Molex plug.  Perhaps they still package a special one for Odyssey, which is why I suggested calling or emailing Ken.  I just received two of the new kits.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Not any more Pete.  The kit is now labeled Diesel & Steam and contains no connector for the Molex plug.  Perhaps they still package a special one for Odyssey, which is why I suggested calling or emailing Ken.  I just received two of the new kits.

Well thats a bummer. Sounds like the Lionel bean counters are now calling the shots. I have been making my own for so long I haven't had the need to order a specific Diesel kit in quite a few years.

Pete

I have the extraction tool for the Molex connector, so when I do an Odyssey to CC-M upgrade, I just pull the contacts and move them to a 4-pin connector.  It's a much neater installation, splices where there need not be any bug me.

As do I along with a tool for about every conceivable pin size but I don't see how this helps an amateur. The Cruise M manual still describes replacing the 6 pin connector with a 4 pin one. Someone with an Odyssey engine shouldn't have to turn around and buy some molex connectors to complete the installation.

Pete

I went to the Lionel site today to look for the service manual for the 4006 big boy  6-28029 and the 1218 class a Norfolk and western 6-28052.  They are not coming up as available does any one have a copy or pdf of either? Or correct me if I am looking in the wrong place. I did find the service parts break down.  John

Norton posted:
gunrunnerjohn posted:

Not any more Pete.  The kit is now labeled Diesel & Steam and contains no connector for the Molex plug.  Perhaps they still package a special one for Odyssey, which is why I suggested calling or emailing Ken.  I just received two of the new kits.

Well thats a bummer. Sounds like the Lionel bean counters are now calling the shots. I have been making my own for so long I haven't had the need to order a specific Diesel kit in quite a few years.

Pete

ERR sells connectors, so if a customer orders a CCM they can ask for what they need based on their model.  G

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ERR doesn't list the Molex Micro Fit connector on their price sheets, so the neophyte would never know it was available.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

ERR doesn't list the Molex Micro Fit connector on their price sheets, so the neophyte would never know it was available.

You ask.  I do it all the time.  G

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GGG posted:

Are you sure they seem to ask a lot of questions here!  G

What happens when they don't know about OGR?

shawn posted:

Lol - Wow, when the gun fight starts at noon call me!

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Just ran across this post.

I also have the N&W #6-28052 Articulated 2-6-6-4 1218, TMCC equipped, manufactured in 2000. My engine has the high-torque Pittman motor and Railsounds 4.0. I have heard the "can motor" term several times, but don't know what that means. Any help?  

Also, would I be a candidate for the ERR system upgrade, or would that not apply to my engine?

 

Lion L

 

Born in the land of coal...

You can certainly install a cruise system on your loco. Your Pitman motor can be considered a can motor (as opposed to a postwar type pullmore motor). A can motor has a permanant magnet field, as opposed to a field winding/coil.

Whether you need a Cruise Commander or a Cruise Commander M depends on the type of TMCC system your loco has. Most likely it needs a Cruise Commander M. Look to see of it has several boards plugged into a mother board, or contact Robert at Sunset Third Rail.

Electric Railroad products are now sourced and sold by Sunset Third Rail.

http://www.3rdrail.com/err-3rdrail/index.html

RoyBoy

Lion L 226E posted:
 Also, would I be a candidate for the ERR system upgrade, or would that not apply to my engine.

You need the ERR Cruise Commander M, a perfect match for this locomotive.  It will give you much better performance.

Of course, if you want chuffing smoke, you might also consider the Super-Chuffer II. to manage the smoke unit.   I've done a couple of these locomotives with this upgrade.

A open frame motor... with cooked field windng ("universal ac/dc in many cases)IMG_20190313_101700~2

DC can motor. On an engine, it wouldbe larger and likely has a flywheel.20180313_234923_Film1

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