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I would like to add some weights to my cars to help them track better.  I had some (lead weights?) awhile back.  I think they may have come from Atlas but I forget.  Has anyone else used weights from Atlas?  They are rectangular with a screw hole in the middle.  If not, what do you use as weights and what do you use to hold them in place?  I would like to glue them in place but don't know what type of glue would be safe for plastic yet adhere to metal ex. like a large metal washer or nut.

 

Thanks,  Rick

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I use the weight blocks used for balancing automobile wheels that you can get from auto parts stores.  They have an adhesive strip under them so you don't have to glue them in place.  They are available in various weights; (1/4, 1/2, 1, or 2oz for example).  Can be had for pretty cheap.  Some hobby stores carry them too.

Keep in mind that you'll need to properly arrange your cars in the train so that the heavier cars are up front, lest ye suffer string lining. NMRA recommended practice for O scale is 5 ounces, plus 1 ounce per each inch of car length (not including couplers), so a 40-foot car should come in at 15 ounces. Atlas follows this with their Master Line rolling stock, which is why some of their cars are so heavy.

I weigh all my rolling stock when I first buy them and use all different methods to bring them up to NMRA standard from stuff I have..  For example I put pieces of 2x4 wood scraps inside of boxcars, track ballast inside of tank cars.

 

I have the Micro-Mark kit.  The Micro-Mark weights are too small (1/4 oz.) and are made for HO.  It takes too many of them to bring a car up to snuff.  The scale works great but is actually a kitchen scale.

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Dennis

Last time I needed weights I went to a well known auction site.  I found 1oz weights previousy.  I can't find a good deal on those right now, however, here are some alternatives.

100 oz. 1/2 oz adhesive stick on wheel balancing weights

1 Box of Wheel Weights 1/4 oz (.25 ounces) stick on adhesive tape 156 oz 624 pcs

 

As Rich says, having all the cars at the proper weight makes a huge difference with how well they behave.

Originally Posted by rtr12:

Lots of good weight ideas here. While we are on the subject, what do you all do when the car is too heavy to start with instead of too light? I think I have a couple that are over weight.

That gets complicated. What comes to mind is some of those die-cast box cars and the K-Line die-cast heavy-duty (8-axle) flat cars. Sometimes the car has an internal weight. If so and you can disassemble the car, you can remove that and replace it with appropriate weight.

 

If you can't remove the weight, the best bet is to just put it at the front of the train and leave it at that since the material usually isn't dense enough for shaving unseen parts to be effective. 

Originally Posted by OGR Webmaster:
USE THE NMRA STANDARD!

Actually, it's a Recommended Practice and not a Standard --> RP-20.1 Car Weight.

 

Get a copy off new, revised NMRA in pdf form!

 

BTW, there are Standards for Scales with deep flanges --> S-1.3

 

There are a host of options for adding and securing weights.  Securing the well tends to be useful to avoid picking up that car or engine some years in the future and watching the weights punch a hole through the end of the car, engine, etc.   

Found some lead ingots in the garage that were window counter balance weights. About 15 in long x 0.25" x 1" in cross section. They easily cut into small pieces with bolt cutters. Then I wrap each piece in that tacky mesh that you line your tool chest drawers with and drop 'em into box cars and so on. They stay put, are easy to remove and really improve the coupling and rolling behavior of cars with high performance wheels.

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

Last time I needed weights I went to a well known auction site.  I found 1oz weights previousy.  I can't find a good deal on those right now, however, here are some alternatives.

100 oz. 1/2 oz adhesive stick on wheel balancing weights

1 Box of Wheel Weights 1/4 oz (.25 ounces) stick on adhesive tape 156 oz 624 pcs

 

As Rich says, having all the cars at the proper weight makes a huge difference with how well they behave.

Once again, Gunrunner has lead me (lead me.... get it? LEAD) to another great execution of an idea.  I just ordered the first of his two links.  I have a lot of cars that could use a little weight added.  I had been hot gluing old nuts and sometimes even a bolt into older lionel rolling stock, but for my nicer Atlas and newer MTH/Lionel cars those stick on wheel weights will be PERFECT!

 

Thanks again GRJohn!

Originally Posted by mwb:
Originally Posted by Russell:

No idea if I'm near NMRA weight but I took all the old light stuff and added weight till they balanced with my New Imperial Railking Reefers.

They track much better since then.

 

You probably are not, but your cars might be,

I was this time last year, but something happened over the winter. Someone added weights somewhere or the scale has been is acting up since the spring. My cars are mostly under NMRA weight, except a couple.

I followed an article on this forum back in the late 1990's that stated to obtain a bag of Shot. I got 25lbs of 7mm shot for $25.00. I have yet to use a pound! This stuff while a pain to set is great for those intermountain kits that I have. they hide very well. I also used the shot to weigh down those MTH "top Heavy" autoracks to 30oz. this keeps them from tipping over. I use Walther's gue and cyanocrite mix to hold in the shot. The glue mix works great when dried!

 

BTW, those "sticky back" car weights do come off over time. I reccommend you also use walther's goo with the stickyback to really hold them down.

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Originally Posted by AGHRMatt:
Originally Posted by rtr12:

Lots of good weight ideas here. While we are on the subject, what do you all do when the car is too heavy to start with instead of too light? I think I have a couple that are over weight.

That gets complicated. What comes to mind is some of those die-cast box cars and the K-Line die-cast heavy-duty (8-axle) flat cars. Sometimes the car has an internal weight. If so and you can disassemble the car, you can remove that and replace it with appropriate weight.

 

If you can't remove the weight, the best bet is to just put it at the front of the train and leave it at that since the material usually isn't dense enough for shaving unseen parts to be effective. 

Thanks, was kind of afraid of that. Don't recall if the ones I have had any weights, but probably not. I am not even sure which ones they were, was in the middle of weighing them when we moved. Will probably start over this fall/winter as I lost track of what had been done and what hadn't. Might try writing it down this time.

NMRA recommended practice for O scale is 5 ounces, plus 1 ounce per each inch of car length (not including couplers), so a 40-foot car should come in at 15 ounces. Atlas follows this with their Master Line rolling stock, which is why some of their cars are so heavy.

 

Atlas Master Line freight cars tend to be heavier than the NMRA recommended practice.  Masterline 40 foot boxcars and reefers in factory 3 rail configuration tip the scales at 19-20 ounces.  The Atlas 50 foot PS-1 boxcars weight 25 ounces.  Trainman cars are lighter and tend to be very close to the NMRA recommended weight.

 

MTH Premier 40 foot boxcars and reefers weight 17 ounces out of the box.  Conversion to 2 rail trucks and Kadee couplers puts them at the recommended weight.

 

Lionel Standard O freight cars are all over the map weight wise.  Some are on the light side and some are well above the NMRA recommendation.  The Lionel PS-1 box cars are about 15 ounces and the steel sided ice bunker reefers are 14 ounces while the stock car is 19 ounces empty and 21 ounces with the cattle.  The 57 foot Lionel mechanical reefers weigh 27 ounces while the similar length 30,000 gallon tank cars weigh only 13 ounces. 

 

 

Let me reactivate this old topic for a question about weighting my cars.

I am currently applying weight to a resin stock car and can easily bring it up to 11 ounces excluding trucks. That car should weight 14 ounces, according to NMRA RP-20.1 data. Just by what my hand tells me the car is already quite heavy. 

When following the NMRA recommendation, what's your experience in operation? What does weight mean to a person with 2% maximum grade in mind? Weight vs. wearing out locomotives? Presuming super free rolling wheels, of course.

I have the idea of staying one third UNDER NMRA weights. What do you think? Is that something that could boomerang back to me in .... three years?

Sarah posted:

Let me reactivate this old topic for a question about weighting my cars.

I am currently applying weight to a resin stock car and can easily bring it up to 11 ounces excluding trucks. That car should weight 14 ounces, according to NMRA RP-20.1 data. Just by what my hand tells me the car is already quite heavy. 

When following the NMRA recommendation, what's your experience in operation? What does weight mean to a person with 2% maximum grade in mind?  Down more than up is an issue. My grades are more than 2%.  More power easily gets a consist up.  Down is touchy, it can become a "run-away"  Weight vs. wearing out locomotives? Presuming super free rolling wheels, of course.

I have the idea of staying one third UNDER NMRA weights. What do you think? Is that something that could boomerang back to me in .... three years?

Down, with care. 

I keep mine below the NMRA recommendation.  pretty much just add weight to my Weaver cars. I have a 2% grade, but that is not the problem, as trying to couple an extremely light Weaver car, even using Kadee couplers its hard to couple to a lone car. Adding a little weight solves that.   Single best thing I did to improve train performance is use  large curves. 072 is my minimum, used only on industrial sidings. All running track is 120 minimum. 

Theoretically, a single car only needs just enough weight to allow it to track well without derailing, but a good weight for one car might be to light or too heavy for another. Plus, it is probably best if all cars have a similar weight proportionate to their length. This is one of the reasons that the NMRA weight recommendations are presented as a formula that takes car length into consideration. Also, better laid track with smooth transitons into curves (both horizontal and vertical), and no kinks or dips, will allow cars to perform better at lower weight. Additionally, wheel gauge, trucks, and their mountings need to be within specs as well.

Bill in FtL

I try to add weight to light cars and bring them up to around NMRA guidelines, but you don't have to be anal about it.  A couple of ounces either way up or down for a typical O-scale car won't make much difference.  Keep heavy cars near the front of a consist, things like diecast cars.

While keeping the weight of the cars reasonably uniform, what may be more important is the rolling resistance. That is likely to make a lot more difference than a couple ounces of weight.  If you have cars with high rolling resistance (early Menard's cars come to mind), those should also go toward the front of any long consist.

RICKC posted:

I would like to add some weights to my cars to help them track better.  I had some (lead weights?) awhile back.  I think they may have come from Atlas but I forget.  Has anyone else used weights from Atlas?  They are rectangular with a screw hole in the middle.  If not, what do you use as weights and what do you use to hold them in place?  I would like to glue them in place but don't know what type of glue would be safe for plastic yet adhere to metal ex. like a large metal washer or nut.

I use curtain weights, bought at a fabric-supply store.  I hold them in place with double-sided foam tape.  None of them have shown any signs of loosening.

EDIT: I might add that I've never had to add weight to any of my 3rs cars.  But the modern Lionel 027 passenger cars that I run behind my postwar locomotives were way too light, and definitely needed the added mass.

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