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Sorry but that is incorrect.  I buy from all manufacturers, Lionel probably more than others true but I doubt you've ever saw me put down a product from any of them because of something like this. 
 
Fact is I happen to like all the bells and whistle.  While I did learn it isn't prototypically correct, from you, I still like the feature.  Even though it isn't exact it does at least add play value. 
 
A swinging bell on the wrong model would be different regardless of manufacturer.  Again another item I learned from your posts.  Some shouldn't swing.  To me that is more visually an issue than the steam release.  Again this is just my opinion and personal tastes I guess.
 
Jack I appreciate the wealth of information you bring.  Thanks.
 
 
 
Originally Posted by Hot Water:

That's only because it is a Lionel product. If it was an MTH, Sunset/3rd Rail, Atlas, or Weaver I personally doubt you would be so accepting of such "incorrect features".

 

Last edited by MartyE
That John I will not dispute.
 
I guess saying they shouldn't have done it at all is what rubbed my rudebaker.  I guess it could be done exact but I would have to ask at what cost?  Vision Line cost?  I do get where you are coming from but all manufacturers do have to take certain liberties to keep costs and engineering considerations in check.
 
Originally Posted by John Korling:
Originally Posted by Passenger Train Collector:

I love it, accurate or not. It appears there are a lot of others who like it too.

 

 

Which only stands to reason that you would have also liked it just as much if the effect was done accurately, no?

 

 

 

Originally Posted by J Daddy:

I am surprised nobody has modified by adding some 90 degree fittings so the cylinder cocks spray out the sides... I believe it is prototypical to clean out the condensation in the cylinders from time to time,

No, it isn't. Once operating, there is no longer any "condensation build up" in the cylinders since they are so hot (over 400 degrees, on a modern steam locomotive), thus the cylinder cocks are not opened when "on the road". However I have seen one Engineer open the cylinder cocks in order to clear idiot members of the public that stand way too close to the track as the locomotive/train is approaching at speed. 

Originally Posted by J Daddy:

When I was at the Greenfield Village Museum the engineer stated that on the back 40 of the return loop, because the locomotive sat allot and ran at slow speeds, it was their procedure to blow the cylinders out once around the loop...

That may very well be their tried and true practice for their 19th century steam locomotive, but it sure isn't applicable to steam locomotives built after the late 1920s, i.e. with superheated steam.

As far as the "do it right vs. not at all" argument, I am OK with it as is - for me, it's an acceptable approximation of the real thing, understanding that the cost and technical difficulty of doing it "right" (i.e. with alternating jets of steam) would be a problem. I also would be OK without the effect at all, and the price reduced appropriately. It's kind of a neat effect, but not even close to a factor in a buy/no buy decision. Given a choice of one or the other, I'd rather have whistle steam, which to me is a more interesting effect. 

Originally Posted by J Daddy:

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not that hard...

I came up with something like this a few weeks ago. I want to do this for a bash idea I had: two postwar berkshires (actually they would probably be WBB berkshires) put together into a 2-16-4. I think this smoke feature could be achieved with small brass pipes and things.

Marty, you could probably get some 90 deg elbows from Plastruct Company to divert the smoke from the cylinders out the side, enlieu of straight down.

 

Then leaving the station and hitting your controller button that eluded to earlier, man that would make it, especially with the sound cranked up.

 

Probably won't be protipical, but "who gives a sh*t"..........................Brandy!

 

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