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Gentlemen: I am in the process of wiring my new layout and have hit the wall on how to control /wire a combination of 12 Lionel Fastrack operating tracks and uncoupling tracks from my control panel. I would like to use one Lionel two button controller (the one that comes with the track section) for the operating tracks selected with a rotary switch and then activated with this controller at my control station. I could use an additional one button controller in the same manner for the stand alone uncoupling track sections if that makes it easier. 

 

The layout is conventional and Lionel Legacy, but I do not have the TMCC boxes for control of any turnouts, accessories, or controllers etc.

 

Could you please advise me on what type of rotary switch I need, i.e. 1pole, 2pole, 3pole etc.; the desired amperage as these track sections will be externally powered like my turnouts(14 volts) and recommend how to wire the respective Lionel switches to the rotary and transformer (a ZW-L) .  I got really confused when reading older threads that talked about numbers of wafers and swipers so a simple the hot goes here and the common goes here type of explanation would be a great help! Thank you for your time and assistance!

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You'll need a two pole switch with enough positions to handle all your current operating tracks and any future additions.  The Fastrack one is wired the same as the older tubular UCS tracks, here's that diagram and the lines to switch.  Notice that one of the leads has constant power and the other has track common, both unswitched.  For separate power, connect the constant power to your accessory power supply.

 

The two common switch poles will go to the switch, and the switch wafer individual contacts will go to each of the UCS track connections.  I'd recommend a switch that will handle at least three amps.  The good part is you won't be carrying current as you switch the rotary switch, that helps.

 

 

 

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gunrunner has given you a good start. Think it thru.

 

The rotary switches can be pricey. Look them up on Mouser, they had the best prices last time I looked. Number was 690-c4d0312s-a. the help desk will put you on to a tech. they tend to be extremely helpful. There is actually one of they techs who is a model railroader. 

 

Remember also you will need to run one wire from the panel to each of the OTCs to do what you want to do. make sure it is the correct AWG.

 

Ralph

You'll actually need two wired from the switch to the OTC from the rotary switch, then you'll need a common power to all of them and of course, the common ground, which may be the track ground.  I'd probably use a TVS protection diode across each of the switched connections to the common to clamp any spikes generated by switching the coils.

 

Surplus places like www.allelectronics.com are a good place to look for appropriate rotary switches, as Ralph notes, from manufacturers they may be a little steep.

 

Thank you! Your information has been most helpful! I do have one question though; I looked up Ralph's suggested rotary switch on Mouser (690-c4d0312s-a) and it shows it is a 3 deck switch with 1 pole per deck (a total of 3 poles) and has the necessary 12 positions. Is this the one I need or do I need 2 poles per deck? The whole pole/deck thing is still a little confusing to me.

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You'll actually need two wired from the switch to the OTC from the rotary switch, then you'll need a common power to all of them and of course, the common ground, which may be the track ground.  I'd probably use a TVS protection diode across each of the switched connections to the common to clamp any spikes generated by switching the coils.

 

Surplus places like www.allelectronics.com are a good place to look for appropriate rotary switches, as Ralph notes, from manufacturers they may be a little steep.

 

Thank you! Your information has been most helpful! I do have one question though; I looked up Ralph's suggested rotary switch on Mouser (690-c4d0312s-a) and it shows it is a 3 deck switch with 1 pole per deck (a total of 3 poles) and has the necessary 12 positions. Is this the one I need or do I need 2 poles per deck? The whole pole/deck thing is still a little confusing to me. 

I did find a 2 pole switch at Mouser with 2 decks having 1 pole per deck and the 12 positions. Would this be the one I need instead of the one Ralph suggested?

You only need to switch two poles, the other two can be supplied constantly directly to the operating tracks.

 

The switches Frank offers are only 4 position, so they aren't going to do the trick for you.

 

Here's one that has three poles (one extra for a selection light if desired) and handles 15A: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELECTR...S-1-PC-/331018921377

 

Note the specifications, it'll carry 15 amps, but if you are carrying current during the switching, the ratings are only a fraction of an amp.  As long as you switch without pushing buttons on the control, it'll do the trick just fine.

 

 

Thanks John! I ordered the switch you suggested. I'm still a little fuzzy about the 1 pole per deck thing, but think I'll figure it out once I start hooking it up. Heck the worst I can do is fry a magnet coil. Wouldn't be the first time I checked a smoke generator during the learning process.

You only need to switch two poles, the other two can be supplied constantly directly to the operating tracks.

 

The switches Frank offers are only 4 position, so they aren't going to do the trick for you.

 

Here's one that has three poles (one extra for a selection light if desired) and handles 15A: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELECTR...S-1-PC-/331018921377

 

Note the specifications, it'll carry 15 amps, but if you are carrying current during the switching, the ratings are only a fraction of an amp.  As long as you switch without pushing buttons on the control, it'll do the trick just fine.

 

 

 

One pole per deck is a simple concept if you look at a rotary switch wiper.

 

Take the rotary switch below you purchased.  Each "deck" is a separate layer, and in your switch would have 12 contacts around it and one common wiper to connect to them as you turn the switch.  One of those contacts around the switch will be the common that connects as you turn the switch, the other twelve will be the individual positions.  There are three decks, so there are three rows of contacts.

 

 

 

 

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Thanks John! It all makes sense now! You should write a book that contains all the guidance you've posted over time! Your approach to things have helped an awful lot of us! What I really like is your ability to make competing systems play well together without taking a particular manufacturers marketing position.

One pole per deck is a simple concept if you look at a rotary switch wiper.

 

Take the rotary switch below you purchased.  Each "deck" is a separate layer, and in your switch would have 12 contacts around it and one common wiper to connect to them as you turn the switch.  One of those contacts around the switch will be the common that connects as you turn the switch, the other twelve will be the individual positions.  There are three decks, so there are three rows of contacts.

 

 

 

 

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