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Having been alerted by Marty Fitzhenry's post late last week, I received an email direct from Charles Ro about a super sale on some Lionel-Flyer locomotives last weekend. After seeing the price (50% off), my CC would not stay in my wallet, so I purchased the N&W version online. Everything went smoothly and I received an online confirmation of purchase last Friday evening. Monday afternoon, I received an automated UPS shipper notice that delivery should be yesterday; and it was at 3:30 local.

Last evening, I unpacked the engine and tender, oiled the axles & linkages and topped off the smoke unit with fluid. I proceeded to put it on the track and set a new engine ID number + added it to my Legacy via my Cab II . (The instruction manual packet contained the separate instruction sheet for adding the locomotive via the orange module, but this is a mistake as there are no modules provided anymore to my knowledge). With no orange module, I took about a minute to add the locomotive to Legacy memory via the Cab II and that was done. 

 

At that point, I hit the "start" key and Railsounds came to life. I hit the smoke button to "high' and smoke started issuing forth from the stack. Checks of the whistle and bell functions proved they worked as intended. I next hit the "1" button and the locomotive started smoothly creeping away. I let it run slowly around my layout about 15 minutes to break-in the mechanicals and electronics. I saw no issues during this time and the locomotive literally runs "like a Swiss watch...". I run on American Models flex track and the only issue I've seen is while backing up from the straight entry into the turnout, the rear trailing whee-lset on the locomotive will pick the plastic frog point and ride-up and derail itself. This issue stems from two observations; 1) the wheel-set is fairly light due to no outside frame casting & #2) the American Models turnouts do not have any guide rails opposite the frog to help "pull" the wheel flange opposite the frog toward the outside of the turnout. I plan to add these as other engines have sometimes balked at this omission and I feel it will eliminate that issue. ( I think American models needs to update their turnouts about this issue as well....).

The fit and finish are first-rate with no noted blemishes or paint-bleeding around numbers and colors. The cab has lighting at rest and the variable ash-pan glow works well. I decided to try one of these locomotive after reading Carl Tuveson's pictoral review of his engine and noting the various mechanical updates Lionel has installed on the new engine, including the variable drawbar on the tender much like the Milwaukee S-3 employs. It keeps the distance closer on straights. Mine has about 2 hours run time which has been flawless so far.

I heartily recommend a purchase if you've been on the fence about it. Enjoy the attached pictures.

 

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D&H - I am glad your are happy with it.  I too with mine - the 2009 cab # N&W.  The only thing in my opinion that came up short was smoke production, even when set to High.  It generated only about half the smoke that my Challengers or Big Boy produce.  I noticed that also on other Y3's run in our club.  Based on Carl T's guidance, I addressed that with a hand-made hybrid smoke element.  Now it smokes with the best of them.  Otherwise, this was the first Lionel AF steam engine for me that truly came and stayed RTR without any issues right out of the box.  (The only diesel for which I can make that same observation has been the ES44AC, no mods, fixes, or changes...yet).  One advantage to the Y3 over the Challenger and BB is that its tender axles are supported by side-frame bushings and not the sheet metal edges of a sub-frame like with Challengers and BB.  Those must be kept greased regularly, but even then with heavy (e.g. train show) use I've seen them wear down to the point the tender sits down on its haunches and the subframe had to be replaced.  The Y3 also comes with a crew and brake sounds which were skipped with the Challenger, but present on the BB.  In any case, I give Lionel an "A" for the Y3 and the ES44AC.    

Originally Posted by FlyerRich:

Bravo on the review! The Y3A is such a win-win in all aspects. I have the Pennsylvania version and liked it so much I got rid of the "giant" Big Boy. I was unaware of the variable drawbar on these. Is that an added feature on the second run of Y3As?

 

The variable drawbar was available on the Y3 from the get-go.

 

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SGaugian: I concur with your smoke assessment; mine is probably comparable in output to my first-run SD70MAc. On "high" it probably puts out something like an "O" loco on the "medium" setting; I run in a 11' X 14' space, so running smoke for long is a no-no as it's a spare room off my den. At the price I paid, if it didn't smoke at all, I still got a bargain! First time I have the boiler off, I'll likely see what upgrades I can accomplish after the warranty period.

I forgot to mention the random "flange/brake squeal" in the Railsounds sound-set on this engine-a good "add". The whistle also has a slight raspy quality to its "hooter" whistle and the quilling is great.

D&H,

I too enjoyed your review complete with great photos. Your layout looks pretty nice as well.

 

My S Gauge Y3 seemed to smoke like a bear right out of the box.  I used it at a train show two weekends ago and probably ran it for 7-8 hours over two days without issues.  I put it on my home layout this week and the smoke unit was dead.

 

I had it fixed yesterday at the Lionel Service center and it is once again producing great smoke, now I am hoping for longevity.

 

See my other posts on the Lionel Service Department, Dean changed out the fan motor which was saturated with smoke fluid, which I think I did after it was toasted. He also changed out the wick material as shown in the You Tube video.  Now it is smoking just great again, this is truly an awesome locomotive, I like the blow down sound effects also, just need to add some smoke tubes down at the steam chest. LOL.

 

Aflyer

I too succumbed to the sirens sounds of the Open House sale.  Was on the fence since I would like a berk or Mikado (based on the railroad I am mostly going to model) and that I am more of a diesel guy.  Not sure what MTH will do down the road and now after Lionel pulled the 57' reefers, I am not sure if or when we could/might see a scale detail enhanced version of the soon to be released Polar Express.  Just got my Y3 this week and although I can't try it out just yet - I must concur that this is a beauty.  Well done Lionel.  Glad I pulled the trigger.  Sending it off to Fred Rouse shortly to be scalified.  I hope the big guys  don't give up on us scale people.  Meantime I will be picking up lots of the great stuff that AM also has.

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