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Was that one of the Berks they did that year or am I thinking of something else?
According to the 1993 book II catalog, the 18022 Pere Marquette Berkshire had a Liontec electronic e-unit. the 1993 Stocking Stuffer catalog had the 18117 Blue Santa Fe F3's with an electromechanical E-unit.
There could be later engines with mechanical e-units, I don't know.
Christopher2035,
Your 1959 Black & Gold Northern Pacific is in fantastic shape, now that is a great Lionel work train, with both original operating Fish Tank Car and operating Firemans Car, who ever had that kept it in real nice condition for you, Magna-traction and all! Very serious old train Chris. I own the original work train and the original 2 tone Green Passenger consist, and all still operate perfectly even today.
PCRR/Dave
Here is the Steelers Black & Gold Northern Pacific with the Christmas consist & original Black & Gold Northern Pacific lighted Caboose, both the real GP/7 and matching Caboose were made in Swissvale, Pa by the Union Switch & Signal for the Northern Pacific RR.
The Postwar reissues are very similar to the original versions. Only somebody who has studied them for years can tell the difference.
Andrew
I've done it again - at breezinup's suggestion, I also acquired a NYC 8477 GP9. Here is a video of them running on my new layout I started just this year:
We have a rule at our house, Not aloud to say Penn Central at the dinner table .
"We have a rule at our house, Not aloud to say Penn Central at the dinner table."
Yamaha, it might be a good idea to check the dictionary to make sure you are using the correct language in proper context. The correct word would be "allowed," not "aloud."
I'm sure the Penn Central fans would be happy to hear you say Penn Central aloud! 
I find it humorous how many critical posts are made, condemning some train company or product, where the person making the post cannot even use basic correct grammar or form a proper sentence, or make their comment at least readable.
The Penn Central saga is a sad story indeed. But as I mentioned before, the success of Conrail has caused some historians to raise some questions about the demise of the PC.
Penn Central lobbied for rule changes and new legislation that were all denied. That is until the US Government was saddled with ownership and financial responsibility of the northeast railroads. Then all of a sudden, miraculously the very same rule changes and legislation the PC had requested, were quickly approved. And Conrail became a huge success story. Not without pain, but still a major comeback.
Likewise, the whole concept in this train hobby of "the dark side" is totally stupid. HO and N scales have product availability unmatched in O scale. Nor will it ever be matched in O scale because of the financial restrictions of the smaller market size.
HO and N scale offer models with accurate details pertaining to a specific road name, model types only owned by one railroad, scale fidelity, etc. Detail parts and decal availability - not because the companies hate O scale, but because they don't sell in sufficient quantities in O scale.
Given the amount of grumbling one can read here, comparing product selection between HO and N scales versus O scale, sounds to me like HO and N are indeed the "bright side" and NOT the "dark side."
There are advantages and disadvantages to every scale. That doesn't make one better than the other. HO will unlikely ever have a center rail running down the track. And O gauge / O scale will unlikely never have the product selection and overall accuracy that HO already has because of the market demographics.
I find it silly that a thread discussing the sneaking of some non-pre/postwar Lionel into a strictly pre/postwar Lionel environment can bring out such discussions on rail companies from their respective cheerleaders - I see you all with your pom-poms looking quite humorous!
Needless to say, I'm having fun running my trains and continuing the construction of my layout, even with these "snuck in" pieces.
bmoran4, I totally agree with your last statement about having fun running trains. There's nothing "snuck in" about it. Enjoy what you like.
Maybe part of the problem with any hobby, is not the enjoyment of the hobby itself, but the people in the hobby saying things like "the only way to enjoy the hobby is MY way." Not true. Especially when you consider the vast diversity in the 0 gauge hobby alone.
Your potential faux pas was using the phrase "dark side," which has been used for a long time before you joined this forum, as a jibe against the other scales, in particular HO. Chris Lonero illustrated this out in the fourth reply.
Topics here can go, and sometimes do go in different directions from the original post. But there are times when the manner in which a post is titled, invites comments that stray away from the original intent. And this was one of those times. Not a criticism, just food for thought.
Brianel Klineguy
"Yamaha, it might be a good idea to check the dictionary to make sure you are using the correct language in proper context. The correct word would be "allowed," not "aloud."
you can blame a lot of the wrong word to spell check and most forums I have been on I didn't know you had to be a vocabulary scholar to post a post if things need to be perfect for you I'm sorry lighten up not every one uses the correct to,too,two, or their, there, etc this place is suppose to be about fellowship and sharing not picking on ones grammar.
The Penn Central is OK. Some of my favorite engines have that name on their tenders!!! LOL
As for the Dark Side, no hokey religions for me, just give me a good ol' electromechanical e-unit any day!
Everyone blasts the Penn Central. But the fact is, you can run many combinations of motive
power, cabeese,and rolling stock and be prototypically correct for the period. This has had
me change my mind about the PC!And because of the attitude toward this railroad, prices on equipment have been reflective. Watch some PC videos and you will see what I'm talking
about! I's trains, so it's all good!
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