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@Lou1985 posted:

Just wondering but how will this help manufactures? There are some physical requirements for scale size models that keep them from going around certain curve sizes. Maybe 50% or hobbyists have maximum curves of 031. That's fine and all, but no one is going to physically be able to make a scale size Big Boy run on 031 curves.

I Agree. Its pretty well established if you want the scale 3 rail and two rail target market, your loco/ rolling stock product needs to make 072 curves as a minimum.

For traditional 0 gauge market, the loco/rolling stock needs to meet 031/036 as a minimum.

I currently have one shelf layout and ten (!) portable table layouts. The shelf layout features an O36 FasTrack  kidney. The largest table layout is 45" x 55" and hosts an MTH O42 oval. Others include postwar Lionel O27 tubular, O31 FasTrack, and O31 MTH solid rail.

Three of the table layouts are dedicated holiday layouts, but the others each feature a particular theme and era. Only one of the others (32" x 64") features traditional equipment; others run scale. I had to modify the pilot of a Sunset ATSF 2-8-0 to handle O36; otherwise I usually stick with Lionel motive power since it is usually engineered for toy-train radii. The O42 layout is dictated by Lionel's Reading T-1 (6-18006). The shelf layout can mechanically handle Lionel's Frisco Mikado (6-18030) and ATSF PA (6-18952), but the latter looks especially bad coming out of a curve towards the viewer. I mostly run a Lionel FT set (6-24568 and 6-24570).

I run no passenger cars, but I do have a dozen brass cabooses that I've modified for small-radius three-rail where necessary.

If manufacturers wanted to sell more equipment to those of us without expansive basements or spare barns, they would do well to follow the example of Lionel's 2-6-0 (6-38019 etc.): small radius, great sound, and fidelity to several surviving museum prototypes. Unless the hobby is irreparably atrophying, I would think that offering a thousand scale moguls would be better for us all than offering a hundred Yellowstones or soulless modern diesel behemoths.

Of course, if you model the Pennsy (three of my table layouts) you have your choice of whatever you want and if you're modest (the switchers, 4-4-2, 4-6-0) they'll run on O42 or less even in brass. Prolific cabin choices, too. But we don't NEED more Pennsy: we do need classic small locomotives especially for western roads with waycars to match.

My two cents.

Bob M.

@RDM posted:
Unless the hobby is irreparably atrophying, I would think that offering a thousand scale moguls would be better for us all than offering a hundred Yellowstones or soulless modern diesel behemoths.

Well Bob, Lionel did offer a really nice Legacy Mogul, but they screwed it up and had to take most of them back!   I rescued one of the surviving examples and fixed it.


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Yup. Got one of those B&M bodies a fellow New Englander put on a Wabash mechanism.  I wanted to use it as a stand-in until I found the CN version. I don't know much about the original run, but I began to be suspicious when I saw the rarity of these locos showing up. Too bad: they really are the best answer to mainline steam for a small layout. In my dreams Lionel will offer them again in an affordable, reliable conventional version with great sound . . .

Thanks to all who have responded.  It looks like the majority of respondents use 072 or larger, which scale sized engines require, so the market for large engines is well established. However, I too hope for more smaller scale engines (and continued semi scale units). I was surprised to learn of the number of large radius layouts being built. JohnA

0-42 curves and switches.  I've always used 0-42 because they seem to work best with my room sizes (medium) and most everything I buy that's 0-42 fits the limit of what I am willing to pay for a new engine ($750 max; average, $350-$550).  I admit, some of my engines (i.e. MTH Premier E8's) hang over quite a bit on curves, but it's the limitation I've accepted.  My new train room is much longer than wide so it isn't a problem.  I can see why 0-72 is the most popular here because that is the sweet spot for a quality layout if you have the space.

O-36 and that was a big step up for me to graduate from O-27 in high school.  I finally got access to all the fun O-31 trains.  This was before Lionel made Fastrack in O-31, so I went straight from O-27 to O-36.  I have an O-72 wye switch for sidings.  I'm a fan of the big steam but unless it comes in Lionmaster, it's not much use to me.

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