Anyone know what happened to the Legacy K-Line website, seems to have vanished ?

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rckstone posted:

I am on a Mac using apple safari and it will not connect, any thing else?

 

I am using the same computer and browser and it works fine now. Also works on my antique iPad.

Pete

I couldn't access the site via safari or chrome for more than a week.  The above two links bring up the following errors:

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Keystone,

Look at your screenshot.  The site you tried to access was www.legacykline.com.  You did not try

http://www.legacykline.com/apps/kl/catalog.html  

which worked for me on a Chrome derivative browser called Vivaldi.  In fact, when I clicked on the link you tried to use, my browser automatically took me to the new address.  Your issue is probably a browser security issue involving the DNS server utilized.

Chuck

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Does not work on Firefox Quantum 69.0b12 either; what comes up is:

Not Found

The requested URL /apps/kl/catalog.html was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


Apache/2.2.23 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.23 OpenSSL/1.0.0-fips mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 PHP/5.4.11 Server at www.legacykline.com Port 80

I can log in to the site, but I have to leave I am unable to log back in the site.  It tells me it can not be found on the server.

PRR1950 posted:

Keystone,

Look at your screenshot.  The site you tried to access was www.legacykline.com.  You did not try

http://www.legacykline.com/apps/kl/catalog.html  

which worked for me on a Chrome derivative browser called Vivaldi.  In fact, when I clicked on the link you tried to use, my browser automatically took me to the new address.  Your issue is probably a browser security issue involving the DNS server utilized.

Chuck

I suspect you have a cashed copy, that link doesn't work.  For the URL http://www.legacykline.com/, I get this.  This indicates they're probably having a web server issue, but they exist.

Given that their database is likely scrambled, your extended URL doesn't find anything at the server address.  You're just trying to reference the actual catalog, until the site is up, that won't work. 

A check on WHOIS sees that the domain is still registered.

 

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I think that Verizon may be experiencing some DNS issues.  A little further research yields...

Really, right outside my door with a ping of 3ms is the site?  I don't think so!

I turned off WiFi on my T-Mobile phone, cleared the cache and tried www.legacykline.com again.  Not any better.

There seems to be a more general issue with DNS, at least in my area.

Question for someone that's seeing the site.  What does a PING return as an IP address?

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PRR1950 posted:

Keystone,

Look at your screenshot.  The site you tried to access was www.legacykline.com.  You did not try

http://www.legacykline.com/apps/kl/catalog.html  

which worked for me on a Chrome derivative browser called Vivaldi.  In fact, when I clicked on the link you tried to use, my browser automatically took me to the new address.  Your issue is probably a browser security issue involving the DNS server utilized.

Chuck

Chuck, I tried both addresses as noted in the browser line in both screen shots above.  Strange that today I'm now able to access the K-Line Legacy sites from both addresses above without any changes to my browser/cache etc.  I sometimes receive those pesky DNS error messages which I'm trying to determine if it's due to browser settings OR my local Comcrook (oops I mean Noncast, oops... Comcast) connection.

What is different this time is its working for some but not for others.

Still working here both at home and work using different providers and hardware.

Pete

Must be the proverbial gremlins at work. I get nothing but error messages trying to open Legacy Kline.  

 Something akin to this is called the "Paulli Effect" after the well known (in European physics academics circles)  Austrian physicist, Wolfgang Pauli.  Any time an inexplicable glitch occurs it can be blamed on this effect.    He was actually celebrated for influencing experiments in a negative way just by his presence at any time in a laboratory setting.   It's a funny story and worth looking at.

Reading RR posted:

Nope. K-line is gone!

Legacy K-Line is not the K-Line company, it's an archive of old K-Line data.  I doubt it's gone, just experiencing issues.  I just used it the other day, and K-Line (the company) has been gone for many years!

They're sort of back, seem to still be having a few issues with Graphics, probably still rebuilding that part of the site.

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I just opened the Legacy K-line home page by googling it and clicking on the result that the search engine found.  Whatever

gunrunnerjohn posted:

It's been coming and going Phil, I'm sure it's just a temporary thing.

Yep, still not working for me either. Same messages as yesterday. It is frustrating. Should we assume the site is already aware of the problem? I wouldn't know who to contact about the problem or how to contact them to make them aware.

It's back.  I have to believe they're aware of the issue, they're just not done fixing it yet.  I also tried navigating to a specific catalog and item, that all worked.

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No.  It's up and down.  I was incredulous for a while when others said it was up for them because I could never access it.  But over the last couple days, I've been able to access it periodically.

It's up again now. Whatever craziness is going on you'd think those who are responsible for the site would make certain it's in tip top shape. Its erratic behavior is a pita, 

Several years back the site was operated by forum member MojoMark, as per the thread I linked to earlier on.  He hasn’t logged into the forum for over two years though, but he does have an email address in his inactive profile.....

Unless we're making an annual donation to the webmaster, perhaps we should not be critical of a free, but valuable service.  John

Any update on the K-Line Legacy site?  Have been trying to access with no luck...

Just tried it and got in fine; there's also a PayPal donation link on the home page.  Perhaps that, too, should be used...

I'd love to know how you get in, I tried Firefox, Chrome, and MS-Edge browsers, I get the same thing on all of them.  If that's your definition of in, it's not all that useful.

legacykline

I'd actually consider donating if there was any usefulness to the site, but this limits my desire to spend money on it.

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gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'd love to know how you get in, I tried Firefox, Chrome, and MS-Edge browsers, I get the same thing on all of them.  If that's your definition of in, it's not all that useful.

legacykline

I'd actually consider donating if there was any usefulness to the site, but this limits my desire to spend money on it.

I was able to get into http://www.legacykline.com/apps/kl/catalog.html using Chrome just a few minutes after your post, and it appears to be displaying properly.  Chrome says the site is not secure - perhaps there's something in your settings that is limiting what you see.

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I'm at a loss, Chrome is reset to defaults as is MS Edge, still no joy.  I'm not going to clobber all my Firefox settings as I doubt that will fix it.  I don't have any extra special filtering going on, so I don't know why it wouldn't work.

Note that a host of people all have the same issue, so it's not like it's an issue with my environment.

I accessed the site by clicking on the link in Mallard4468’s post using Safari on my iPad.  Clicked on a few links on the site, appears to be working okay for me.

FWIW, I also can't access it. I've tried four different browsers and I see the same exact thing as John. To those of you who can access the site, do you think you could post contact info for the webmaster? My day job is as a systems engineer for a certain fruit company and I'd be willing to chip in to help figuring out what's up. My guess is that it's certificate-related on the server side. I just need to know who to email. 

Rafi posted:

FWIW, I also can't access it. I've tried four different browsers and I see the same exact thing as John. To those of you who can access the site, do you think you could post contact info for the webmaster? My day job is as a systems engineer for a certain fruit company and I'd be willing to chip in to help figuring out what's up. My guess is that it's certificate-related on the server side. I just need to know who to email. 

Website says that owner goes by the handle mojomark on OGR.  His profile contains an email address and website (go there to find it - not going to post here).  His profile says he joined in 2005, but last visit was April 2017, so who knows if he's active or not.

I am using a new iPad that I have had only a few weeks.  I doubt that the Kline web site is cached on it.  I haven’t tried to access the Kline web site for a very long time.  I do see “Not Secure” in the URL area when I access the site.

Here is a screen shot taken just a few minutes ago.

 

Kline Home Page

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Mallard4468 posted:
Rafi posted:

FWIW, I also can't access it. I've tried four different browsers and I see the same exact thing as John. To those of you who can access the site, do you think you could post contact info for the webmaster? My day job is as a systems engineer for a certain fruit company and I'd be willing to chip in to help figuring out what's up. My guess is that it's certificate-related on the server side. I just need to know who to email. 

Website says that owner goes by the handle mojomark on OGR.  His profile contains an email address and website (go there to find it - not going to post here).  His profile says he joined in 2005, but last visit was April 2017, so who knows if he's active or not.

Same info I posted here above back in above back in August.

There has to be some kind of Internet access issue.  I have had a couple of issues like this over the years when a block of Internet addresses were not accessible to me.

Mystery solved!  It is some sort of Internet routing issue.  I used a free proxy server that is hosted in the Netherlands, and BAM, it came right up.

Hi Folks, 

I'm sorry some of you are having problems. I am not seeing the same issues with the K-Line site from my house. Although, I have had that behavior with one of my other sites hosted on the same platform.

I'll open another ticket with my hosting provider to see if they can provide some insight on the behavior. 

(sorry for the absentee owner... all my train stuff is in storage so I've been out of the hobby for a few years.)

Great to see you post Mark.

I think it's some sort of Internet routing issue, I've seen this before.  The fact that by going through a proxy server I was able to access it normally tells me that there is a disconnect between parts of the Internet and your web hosting site.

I hope you get your stuff out of storage soon and are able to once again enjoy the model train hobby.

I just tried GRJ's suggestion using the server he posted and it went right to the home page of the K-Line site. When I clicked on a link there, it went to 'ERROR'. Tried repeatedly with several links getting the same error message.  I'm on Spectrum here in Western NC.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'm beginning to think it might be Verizon that's the problem!

rtr12 posted:

I don't think it's Verizon, we have Google and that isn't getting through either.

Comcast was not able to connect yesterday and also on and off for a while.  However, today I was able to connect to the site after @MojoMark posted above.  Also, thank you @gunrunnerjohn for the proxy server link; I'll give it a try since at times comcast can be stubbornly fussy.

The Hidester Proxy link got through, but I had to try several different times with different settings from that site.

Your second link above, ProxySite.com, worked just fine, even tried a few links on the KLine site and all was well. Definitely something strange going on there. 

I'm using Chrome, didn't try anything else.

gunrunnerjohn posted:
cjack posted:

Works!

Did it just suddenly start working, or did you use a proxy server?

Just started 

You keep saying that Jim, but it's hardly useful information, we heard you the first time.  What would be useful information is an explanation of why certain areas can't access it directly.

Rob Johnston posted:

I have been unable to access the website as well.

I can ping www.legacykline.com.

I can access the site as www.legacykline.com and get a list of directories.

Can not get HTTP to load and can't find an HTML file.

Could not get any contact info from the site.

Does anyone have an e-mail point of contact?

If you look a few posts up from yours, the owner of the site has already posted to this thread.

I don't think it's actually an issue with the site itself, though it could possibly be the hosting service.  It seems to hit specific areas, I haven't figured what is going on yet

Last night, I was able to access that site just fine.  This morning, same computer and browser; NO JOY!  As GRJ says, this is an internet mystery that we, as users, may never be able to solve.  If I just wait patiently, or maybe try one of GRJ's proxies, I'll get back there eventually.

Chuck

That's been my experience as well.  I have, at times, been able to access the site.  Then a couple days later, with no changes in my configuration, I'm back to getting the cryptic index page.

And, of course, six hours later, connection is reestablished and site is available, and I did nothing but try my bookmark link again.

C'est la vie.

Chuck

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