Lionel ten wheelers "built to order"

Ordered one with C&NW!

About the 10 wheelers. The website catalog states 31 radius. However, when you look at the Product finder page for them it states 54 radius. I am wondering which is the correct radius.

I placed an order for the FRISCO 10-wheeler.

Great little engine. I have the C&O version and I think it is the best small engine Lionel has ever done. Nice to see it in a variety of road names.

The "Old Put" fans will want to go for NYC 1258. I put my order in already.

Good model. I have one of the original TMCC locos; NYC (the prototype is actually a NYC

F2/F12 4-6-0). Runs very well.

Negative to the early ones: it's a 1-chuffer, but I could improve that, if I ever get to it.

But, one of the most appealing locos that Lionel has ever offered, regardless of generation.

Nice. Pretty generic. NYC prototype? $900 a pop?

With all the offerings of their Milk Cars in past years. Many with Vermont based dairies sending milk to Boston and New York. It seems a RUTLAND 10 Wheeler maybe even in 2 rd. nos for double heading would be a no brainier. I'm still holding out for one.

I ordered one.  I hope it will be as good as the Legacy Atlantic- fantastic little loco.

Actual selling price under $650. From Chales Ro's website:

Quantity in Basket: None 
Code: L82271
Price: $634.95

Yes, you can get them for around $650 most places.  Given I paid around $600 for an Atlantic four years ago - a loco I consider roughly equivalent, i think it is a consistent price.  

Yes Gentlemen, this is a Kool Engine, however, does it have Steam Whistle Effect?

i have this engine in C&O Legacy, and NYC Legacy, Great Runners. If it has Steam Whistle, I will need the Frisco....If you know the answer, let us know. Thanks.

What about this one?

I would love one, but the SP version doesn't make it for me.  SP never ran ten wheelers with a coal tender (which Lionel makes and ran with their Atlantic and Consolidation - a UP prototype, but close enough) and the illustration does not show the SP silver boiler front.  

I wrote Lionel and got a nice reply that they would send the comments to their production people.  So, I guess I'll have to wait to see if the changes are made when they come out.

I wrote Lionel about this, and here is their answer:

As a general rule of thumb the information under the product tab on lionel.com is the most accurate concerning products. The 4-6-0 products from the 2014 Volume 2 catalogs do state that the minimum curve is O-54. We hope this has answered your questions and you have a great day.

Professor, thanks for posting your response from Lionel.  I like the NP version of the 10 Wheeler and while the 054 minimum is not ideal for me, I can still use it on my outer loop.  However, the difference between 054 and 031 is huge and, if true, removes a lot of potential buyers for the engine.  Further, all of the earlier versions of this engine has 031 minimum, and there is no clear reason in the current description (like "New tooling") that wound indicate a change that requires the engine to be 054.

Given the new BTO environment,  Certain elements of these descriptions have to be spot on perfect, I think minimum curve is one of them.

Perhaps our Forum Sponsors can speak with one voice on getting the correct answer from Lionel on this question.  THey have to understand that in BTO: EVERY SALES ORDER MATTERS.

Dave, I have the previous Legacy 4-6-0 and it says it will run on 031. I have a test loop I can verify that on.

About the only reason I can think of that would increase minimum radius is if they made the drawbar shorter. If thats the case its not a big deal to stretch it out a bit either by opening up the mounting holes or adding metal to it. I have done the opposite to the drawbars on other engines for closer coupling by removing a bit.

Pete

I realize that over the years changes may have been made by Lionel in the design of the ten-wheeler.

But for what it is worth, I have a Frisco ten-wheeler from the initial run of these engines. It runs flawlessly on 031 track, and also goes through facing 022 switches (configured in the dreaded "s" curve) without any problems.

Pete and Owen, thanks for your comments.  I plan on ordering the engine, it just seems so far off, for example the minimum for the scale hudson was 042. 

Minimum curve specifications are something that should be 100% accurate.

It is also very close to Central Vermont #220 pictured here:

Jon

Sadly, Lionel does not indicate that they will be putting the whistle steam effect into this engine.

New York Central 10 wheeler in action:

A great little engine.....terrific smoker, too!

Peter

Want to see the 4 chuffs per revolution?

Peter

I have the Legacy NYC from the previous run.

If the catalog discription is correct, the only difference should be the IR sensor and the addition of a back up light on tender. I'd question the addition of the light.

Possibly different sound and whistle

Joe. 

I'm ordering CNW 1385.  Here's a video of the surviving prototype.

Thanks for the video.  Its a great little engine

Almost forgot how much I miss the swinging bell option.

Joe

NO WHISTLE STEAM, this was stated by Matt Ashba on the NOTCH 6 Lionel 2014 Vol 2 podcast.

Dues to the small size of the loco they were unable to fit the extra smoke unit under the boiler.

I doubt very highly that the minimum radius is correct, this is customer service covering their ***. There is no way this loco won't negotiate  a much smaller minimum radius. Much larger locomotives like the berkshires are o-54 and are nearly 7" longer

This happens every year, corrections will be made to descriptions sometime be tween now and when these locomotives are delivered.

NO WHISTLE STEAM, this was stated by Matt Ashba on the NOTCH 6 Lionel 2014 Vol 2 podcast.

Dues to the small size of the loco they were unable to fit the extra smoke unit under the boiler.<<

After watching that video,  Even without whistle steam I might have bit for the CN had Lionel included the swinging bell.

Joe 

Joe 

Wow! Incredible video Robbie, thanks for posting. We need to forward that to lionel to use on the legacy railsounds chip. 

Unbelievable audio there!!!!

A very nice video of the C&NW version.  Notice the tallness of the sand dome,  it looks like the L version will be much shorter,  someone on the forum has done sand domes and maybe can describe how an alteration could be made.  I ordered one and am happy that it is being made in legacy.

I think you have a great idea to forward the sounds to Lionel RickO.    ......Robbie  

Assuming the dome isn't used as a cover for switches, its just a matter of cutting off the existing one and either using one of the ones made by Precision Scale or Stephenson and epoxy it on or make you own. Assuming you leave the dome base intact, where it flares out to the boiler, you could take some brass bar stock, chuck it in a drill motor, and file and sand the end to the shape you want. Get piece slightly oversize for base and reduce the diameter until it matches the diameter of the base. 

Pete

Just remember, the NYC (Lionel's prototype) and C&NW locomotives only share a wheel arrangement.

Rusty

Peter A,

I am with you on the SP. I did a little research and found two pictures of the 2353 in Monte Vista publishing SP 4-6-0 photo album Volume 12. The engine and tender look almost perfect except for the coal load in the tender and silver boiler front missing. I thought about building a box to some how cover the coal load, but the SP did not build theirs up higher than the top of the tender. I wonder if the coal load is removable?

This would be my first choice, but I know usually what you see in a lionel catalog usually is what you get. I had to make the same call on the T&P Mikado from a few years back - no order.

So I went with the Frisco version. It was closer to its prototype.

I look forward to getting the one I ordered.  I think it will be a good little engine and at the price I am paying, I don't mind at all it does not have whistle steam.  

>>>Just remember, the NYC (Lionel's prototype) and C&NW locomotives only share a wheel arrangement.<<

I notice the difference.

Anyone know which road the style of this model represents best?

Joe

Yes, it sounds like CS doesn't have any real information about the radius. But I'm not going to pre-order a locomotive that Lionel says won't navigate my O-42 curves.

And with BTO, no pre-order = no sale.

The NYC loco.

Jeff C